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Scoblelizer: Samsung loss to Apple actually a victory
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article published on 26 August, 2012
Robert Scoble, the author of the popular 'Scobelizer' blog, has said that Apple's win over Samsung this week, is actually a 'sizeable' victory for the Korean tech giant.
Samsung has to pay $1.049 billion for infringing on seven Apple patents, but during the time it stole ideas, it became the largest mobile company in the world, and the second most profitable (behind Apple).
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bmok
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31. August 2012 @ 12:42 |
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It's not stealing. Taking the source code is stealing. Copying the outside is not stealing. Apple may have come up with e.g. Pinch Zoom but nobody else can do Pinch Zoom? That's rewarding one guy way too much. Pinch Zoom is just an idea anybody can dream up. So are many UI elements and process flows. What's real expensive the research and development that implements the idea. One's implementation should be protected by a patent but not the idea. Let people compete on how they do the same thing better. That's where we human race get benefits, from real competition. Copy is totally ok because straight copy without improvement can't stand real test of consumers. But copy with improvement is how every product and technology evolves. No one company can do it all by itself. The fact that Android exists benefit Apple fans.
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Mez
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31. August 2012 @ 19:44 |
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Originally posted by aldan:
Originally posted by nbfreak2:
Hmmm Apple makes touch screen stuff then everyone else releases touch screen stuff?
I wonder who made it first?
It is what it is.
Reality is it doesn't matter anymore Apple won its over.
touch screen technology has been around since the 1960s.anything else you think apple "invented"?
Yes, what jobs was great at is stealing a cadre of technologies that were going no where and putting them together in a powerfully useful way then packaging it in a 'cool way' and marketing it masterfully. He has changed the world for the good and made Apple the biggest company in the world. Still he was a huge prick.
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31. August 2012 @ 20:21 |
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amen to that.
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1. September 2012 @ 00:27 |
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Originally posted by Mez:
Originally posted by aldan:
Originally posted by nbfreak2:
Hmmm Apple makes touch screen stuff then everyone else releases touch screen stuff?
I wonder who made it first?
It is what it is.
Reality is it doesn't matter anymore Apple won its over.
touch screen technology has been around since the 1960s.anything else you think apple "invented"?
Yes, what jobs was great at is stealing a cadre of technologies that were going no where and putting them together in a powerfully useful way then packaging it in a 'cool way' and marketing it masterfully. He has changed the world for the good and made Apple the biggest company in the world. Still he was a huge prick.
Touch screen tech was not, "Going Nowhere". The first iPhone was very little more than the touchscreen phones that came before...same shape, same capabilities. Well, actually, the iPaq had better capabilities because there was a lot more software, the hardware was better, they had support for two forms of expanded storage, the battery could be changed, they offered SDIO, etc. Apple advertised and got AT&T to sell them with hefty contracts...that seems to be the real difference IMHO...because the first iPhones simply were not as good as the HP iPaqs of the time, but they outsold them in droves.
Don't get me wrong...I know I keep beating a drum about the iPaqs...but I'm no HP fan. I'm simply stating simple facts...the iPhone was an iPaq copy. I would call it a BlackBerry copy, but it didn't have a keyboard. All that leaves is the iPad...and there is currently a Chinese firm suing Apple because that firm was making tablets that looked almost identical to the iPad about two years before Apple...the only innovation Apple did there was to put an english-language OS onto a similar device and ship it over. I always thought of that Chinese firm as throwing a hissy fit, but I guess if Apple is going to do the same thing when they were not even the first, then I hope that Chinese firm wins.
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pmshah
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1. September 2012 @ 01:11 |
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I wonder why no one is looking at circa 1998/99 Win CE based, Casio made mobile phone for Hutchison Whampoa of Hong Kong. This had full functionality plus touch screen, MS Office, IE, lugin digital camera, handwriting recognition and what have you. Especially the shape - Rectangular and Rounded corners !!!!!
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xtago
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2. September 2012 @ 08:21 |
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Yes I know I have a HTC Titain Winmobile device it's version 6 by default has everything you say and I've upgraded the rom to winmobile 6.5
The Apple case in the US is really bad for the USA overall, even if companies decide to drop the US market and simply leave it as 100% apple devices only people will get fed up with Apple and want the rest of the world devices as they'll have much better spec than an Apple device.
I suspect many component makers may drop Apple.
You have that Memory maker that has banned Apple from using anything it has patented or makes, so no other company can even make stuff for Apple either.
I think Samsung are probably about to do this with Apple as well, then it's goodbye Apple devices overall.
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Bozobub
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2. September 2012 @ 10:45 |
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Balderdash. No matter how the two companies feel about each other, Samsung simply makes too much money from Apple to simply drop them cold turkey. It'll take a lot more than this.
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2. September 2012 @ 12:36 |
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Originally posted by Bozobub:
Balderdash. No matter how the two companies feel about each other, Samsung simply makes too much money from Apple to simply drop them cold turkey. It'll take a lot more than this.
Samsung did just build a new factory to make the outdated chips for the next iPhone, and they won't cry if they are banned from selling phones they don't even make anymore...but $1.049 billion is a lot of money to recoup from selling chips at $15 a pop...let's just say they doubled the price to offset the fine for using a rounded rectangle...Apple would have to buy almost 70 million chips before it was paid back. Apple so far has sold about 90 million iPhones if you include all the models, although their numbers drop with every new release...so it would take at least 6 years to make up the money, assuming Apple didn't sue them again since there is no way Samsung is going to start making triangular phones.
What's more is the fine in this case is only relating to certain devices...of which Samsung sold 22.65 million total units...that's over $44 per device with no guarantee (or even any reason to think) that Apple won't do it again. If they were to build that into the price of their devices, it would hand their marketshare on everything except the Note 2 to their Android competition (The Note 2 has a monopoly on 5.5" phone display).
Samsung has to do something...and if they can't win in the courtroom they will have to get at Apple some other way. It is entirely possible that they will at least refuse to sell Apple chips unless Apple agrees to stop being patent trolls...and there is no way Apple would ever agree to that.
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3. September 2012 @ 10:54 |
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
Originally posted by Bozobub:
Balderdash. No matter how the two companies feel about each other, Samsung simply makes too much money from Apple to simply drop them cold turkey. It'll take a lot more than this.
Samsung has to do something...and if they can't win in the courtroom they will have to get at Apple some other way. It is entirely possible that they will at least refuse to sell Apple chips unless Apple agrees to stop being patent trolls...and there is no way Apple would ever agree to that.
In one case I simply refuse to believe that Samsung makes that much per unit off of Apple for the manufacturing of parts. Apple obviously goes to the lowest bidder & slaves out the labor to get the lowest price they can in order to max out the minimum on their end product, so why would it be any different on Samsung? Other than they are the only one providing a service.
I'm most certainly behind KB on his assertion as well & throw in my earlier statement as an additional claim that Apple intends to find means of crushing manufacturers to their whims & how they WILL cower to their might.
This garish false bravado they seem to favor is almost like the pious self absorbed indignation you get from these assholes you see in the televangelists, which really does nothing more than further the cultist rumors floating around.
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Mez
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4. September 2012 @ 22:15 |
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
Originally posted by Mez:
Originally posted by aldan:
Originally posted by nbfreak2:
Hmmm Apple makes touch screen stuff then everyone else releases touch screen stuff?
I wonder who made it first?
It is what it is.
Reality is it doesn't matter anymore Apple won its over.
touch screen technology has been around since the 1960s.anything else you think apple "invented"?
Yes, what jobs was great at is stealing a cadre of technologies that were going no where and putting them together in a powerfully useful way then packaging it in a 'cool way' and marketing it masterfully. He has changed the world for the good and made Apple the biggest company in the world. Still he was a huge prick.
Touch screen tech was not, "Going Nowhere". The first iPhone was very little more than the touchscreen phones that came before...same shape, same capabilities. Well, actually, the iPaq had better capabilities because there was a lot more software, the hardware was better, they had support for two forms of expanded storage, the battery could be changed, they offered SDIO, etc. Apple advertised and got AT&T to sell them with hefty contracts...that seems to be the real difference IMHO...because the first iPhones simply were not as good as the HP iPaqs of the time, but they outsold them in droves.
Don't get me wrong...I know I keep beating a drum about the iPaqs...but I'm no HP fan. I'm simply stating simple facts...the iPhone was an iPaq copy. I would call it a BlackBerry copy, but it didn't have a keyboard. All that leaves is the iPad...and there is currently a Chinese firm suing Apple because that firm was making tablets that looked almost identical to the iPad about two years before Apple...the only innovation Apple did there was to put an english-language OS onto a similar device and ship it over. I always thought of that Chinese firm as throwing a hissy fit, but I guess if Apple is going to do the same thing when they were not even the first, then I hope that Chinese firm wins.
Not EVERY thing he stole wasn't going anywhere. What he did steal may had gone places some time in the future. I was thinking more along the lines of GUI and the mouse. Pulling existing technologies together for the first ipad. Even with the iphone those technologies had not been used together like that before.
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