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16GB Samsung Galaxy S4 only has 8.82GB of usable space
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The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 30 April, 2013
Those that have tested the new Samsung Galaxy S4 were frustrated to learn that the size of Samsung's Android variant has ballooned in size, again.
The 16GB model only has 8.82GB of usable space, with the rest taken by the operating system, recovery partitions and pre-installed applications including Samsung's own suite that includes S Voice, S Translator and S Health.
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3. May 2013 @ 04:38 |
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Originally posted by Tazer247:
The sd card doesn't fix the problem if like on the galaxy s 3 apps cannot be installed on the external card. 8gb can fill up quickly if you are one of those people that have 100+ apps.
I fortunately am not, and I keep files, videos, and music on my external anyways. But still the 8gb limit is notable regardless of external cards.
Can you record straight to SD card?
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Tazer247
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3. May 2013 @ 09:10 |
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Originally posted by Jemborg:
Can you record straight to SD card?
If you mean videos then yes. Fortunately you have the option of where the camera sends files to sd vs external sd. If not that would be as easy as just copying it over anyways.
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Interestx
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3. May 2013 @ 10:27 |
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Originally posted by Tazer247:
The sd card doesn't fix the problem if like on the galaxy s 3 apps cannot be installed on the external card. 8gb can fill up quickly if you are one of those people that have 100+ apps.
Well, as much as it is a small irritation not to actually get all the advertised space, like a lot of devices these days, for almost all of those that aren't happy with the way things are there is the micro SD card route.
72gbs is certain & being the new S4 model I'd bet the 128gb SD XC card, and bigger, will work in it too if space really is your obsession.
For the rest that find that won't suit they can always root the thing & get all that space back.
I'm betting 99.9% will go the micro SD card route & not notice a problem ever.
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RuneJayce
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3. May 2013 @ 12:29 |
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It's nice to see this site is still full of inbred losers talking out of their ass!
I'm pissed off that half of the 16GB storage is full of crap and I look forward to it being hacked so if I do get one, I can uninstall said crap!
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Bozobub
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3. May 2013 @ 12:36 |
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Originally posted by RuneJayce:
It's nice to see this site is still full of inbred losers talking out of their ass!
I'm pissed off that half of the 16GB storage is full of crap and I look forward to it being hacked so if I do get one, I can uninstall said crap!
Indeed. Welcome to the club, O gluteal expositor.
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3. May 2013 @ 14:34 |
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samsung need to stick a giant warning sign on the box to the phone saying 16gbs only 8gbs usable problem solved. (they probably have a disclaimer somewhere but its that small you'd have to look at the box for 10minutes and use a magnifying glass to actually see it).
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3. May 2013 @ 14:45 |
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Originally posted by xboxdvl2:
samsung need to stick a giant warning sign on the box to the phone saying 16gbs only 8gbs usable problem solved. (they probably have a disclaimer somewhere but its that small you'd have to look at the box for 10minutes and use a magnifying glass to actually see it).
Really they need to just raise the standard storage. It should be a min of 32gb. If they want to include all this bloatware. Then just market it as 16GB
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Interestx
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3. May 2013 @ 15:44 |
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Originally posted by xboxdvl2:
samsung need to stick a giant warning sign on the box to the phone saying 16gbs only 8gbs usable problem solved.
I agree.
I also would like to see everyone go over to doing this.
I'd also like to see hard drive producers doing similar as it is starting to get silly now that that 4tb hard drives (and larger will be ever far away from the 'box claim'.
(4tb actually being about 3.6tb in reality)
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Tazer247
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3. May 2013 @ 15:49 |
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Originally posted by Interestx:
Originally posted by xboxdvl2:
samsung need to stick a giant warning sign on the box to the phone saying 16gbs only 8gbs usable problem solved.
I agree.
I also would like to see everyone go over to doing this.
I'd also like to see hard drive producers doing similar as it is starting to get silly now that that 4tb hard drives (and larger will be ever far away from the 'box claim'.
(4tb actually being about 3.6tb in reality)
Aren't those due to manufacturers using 1000 per instead of 1024 for conversions?
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3. May 2013 @ 23:22 |
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Originally posted by Tazer247:
Originally posted by Interestx:
Originally posted by xboxdvl2:
samsung need to stick a giant warning sign on the box to the phone saying 16gbs only 8gbs usable problem solved.
I agree.
I also would like to see everyone go over to doing this.
I'd also like to see hard drive producers doing similar as it is starting to get silly now that that 4tb hard drives (and larger will be ever far away from the 'box claim'.
(4tb actually being about 3.6tb in reality)
Aren't those due to manufacturers using 1000 per instead of 1024 for conversions?
They are for solid state memory. They use a decimal rather than digital system. Interestingly I just installed a "128g" Vertex 4 SSD and according to the system I was straight up actually installing win7 to a 119gig space. (Some of it's absorbed by the file format e.g. NTFS.) So in reality you can't rely on them as far as memory size goes, we all have to live with it. Geez, I can't see what the fuss is about if you use SD storage for files. Sorry to see you having a fit about it RuneJayce lol.
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mukhis
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4. May 2013 @ 07:19 |
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Originally posted by RuneJayce:
I'm pissed off that half of the 16GB storage is full of crap and I look forward to it being hacked so if I do get one, I can uninstall said crap!
rooting/jailbreaking are nice for some people, not for all as doing those voids warranty. and since hardware reliability is going down day by day, and with software you can mess up at any time, warranty is important.
but yes, as someone suggested, manufacturers should increase the native storage if they want so much bloatware in their devices (surface tabs, anyone?), specially when game lovers can be disappointed with small storage (for documents/photos/music/videos, you can always use external cards).
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4. May 2013 @ 09:11 |
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Originally posted by mukhis:
Originally posted by RuneJayce:
I'm pissed off that half of the 16GB storage is full of crap and I look forward to it being hacked so if I do get one, I can uninstall said crap!
rooting/jailbreaking are nice for some people, not for all as doing those voids warranty. and since hardware reliability is going down day by day, and with software you can mess up at any time, warranty is important.
but yes, as someone suggested, manufacturers should increase the native storage if they want so much bloatware in their devices (surface tabs, anyone?), specially when game lovers can be disappointed with small storage (for documents/photos/music/videos, you can always use external cards).
What's the resale on phones that have been rooted?
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Tazer247
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4. May 2013 @ 10:53 |
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Regardless, removing root is about as simple as rooting depending on the phone. Most people I know will revert back to stock to bring their phone in for anything. In fact I know people who have gotten 5+ replacements, and rooted/unrooted them all when they had to be returned. (Droid Charge had a lot of data/gps issues)
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4. May 2013 @ 10:55 |
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Originally posted by Tazer247:
Regardless, removing root is about as simple as rooting depending on the phone. Most people I know will revert back to stock to bring their phone in for anything. In fact I know people who have gotten 5+ replacements, and rooted/unrooted them all when they had to be returned. (Droid Charge had a lot of data/gps issues)
Cheers.
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ChikaraNZ
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4. May 2013 @ 11:44 |
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I really think the whole storage industry needs to have some tougher standards on this. It's always created confusion for years, what with usable capacity being well below the advertised 'size' in cases like this, plus HD's sold with MB's variously advertised as 1,000,000 bytes (wrong) or 1,048,576 bytes (correct but confusing for layperson). Let's have some industry wide consistency.
Imagine if I bought an electric jug that says it has a 2 litre capacity. But when I went to boil water for my coffee, it only lets me put in 1 litre. The rest is taken up by the heating element etc etc.
We wouldn't accept that, so why do we for the electronics industry??
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4. May 2013 @ 12:52 |
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Originally posted by tongs007:
why should someone "stick" a 32 gig or 64 micro sd "in it"? when most people see an 16 gig s4 they all think its 16 gig, but 8 gig its 50% of your storage, don't care what anyone says its BLATANTLY wrong
So you don't buy a laptop because it's advertised as having a 256GB SSD in it but "Oh no a whole bunch of the 256GB is used up by a damned operating system, some preinstalled software and restore partition"? Those bastards, how dare they?
Buy something else if you don't like the software that Samsung chooses to put in its phones.
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4. May 2013 @ 12:55 |
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Thing is, ChikaraNZ, that HD manufacturers are quite aware of that confusion, and in fact specifically support it. In the "distant" past, all HD storage sizes were in actual MB (1024 bytes * 1024 kilobytes). But some marketing schmuck realized "Hey, we can use SI units for these sizes and they all look bigger," and furthermore, with a small disclaimer, it's all perfectly legal.
You don't have this same issue with RAM, because RAM needs to be in even multiples of 1024 anyhow.
So no, there will never be "tougher standards" on this matter; it's exactly how the manufacturers want it.
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4. May 2013 @ 12:59 |
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Originally posted by Bozobub:
Thing is, ChikaraNZ, that HD manufacturers are quite aware of that confusion, and in fact specifically support it. In the "distant" past, all HD storage sizes were in actual MB (1024 bytes * 1024 kilobytes). But some marketing schmuck realized "Hey, we can use SI units for these sizes and they all look bigger," and furthermore, with a small disclaimer, it's all perfectly legal.
You don't have this same issue with RAM, because RAM needs to be in even multiples of 1024 anyhow.
So no, there will never be "tougher standards" on this matter; it's exactly how the manufacturers want it.
Yep, and for more knowledgeable consumers like us, it's okay, as we understand some of the space on a PC or phone has to be used up by the OS to make it run.
I guess I'm more concerned about the typical consumer who probably doesn't understand it so much and then feels ripped off.
If it's misleading to them, then I think it should be changed.
But Bozobub, I agree with you that it is unlikely ever to.
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leglessoz
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4. May 2013 @ 13:13 |
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Originally posted by ChikaraNZ:
I really think the whole storage industry needs to have some tougher standards on this. It's always created confusion for years, what with usable capacity being well below the advertised 'size' in cases like this, plus HD's sold with MB's variously advertised as 1,000,000 bytes (wrong) or 1,048,576 bytes (correct but confusing for layperson). Let's have some industry wide consistency.
Actually you are incorrect. By ISO standards definition which is how hard drive manufacturers define their storage space a megabyte is 1,000,000 bytes. In computer terms a kilobyte is 1024 bytes but really it's a kibibyte. A kilobyte must be by ISO definition 1,000 bytes. 1,048,576 bytes is not a megabyte but a mebibyte (mega binary byte) or 1024 kibibytes. Beyond megabytes and mebibytes we have gigabytes and gibibytes respectively.
So the confusion comes from hard drive manufacturers using ISO definition for storage sizes and software companies using standards. It's why a nice new 1 TB drive has about 1,000 gigabytes of storage but the operating systemm says it has "only" 951 GB of storage.
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Imagine if I bought an electric jug that says it has a 2 litre capacity. But when I went to boil water for my coffee, it only lets me put in 1 litre. The rest is taken up by the heating element etc etc. We wouldn't accept that, so why do we for the electronics industry??
The difference is that a 1 litre jug will hold 1 litre of water (often a little more). A litre is a defined volume just a megabyte is a define amount. I agree that hardware and software companies need to use the same standards. 1,024 bytes of memory (RAM) has for a long time been incorrectly referred as 1 kilobyte. It was an approximation in effect.
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4. May 2013 @ 13:20 |
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Indeed.
It's only going to get sillier & more trouble-making as sizes get bigger, if a 4tb HDD is really 3.6tb then how ridiculous is it going to look like when we get to 6, 8 or 12tb?
None of this is about pre-installed softwares either, it's just a huge discrepancy between the advertised capacity & reality.
All the manufacturers need to just get over it & start to reflect reality in my view.
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Bozobub
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4. May 2013 @ 14:35 |
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Sorry, leglessoz, but no. I honestly cannot care less how ISO attempts to redefine what a "kilobyte" or "megabyte" is, they did not invent the words (they came about several decades earlier), that simple, and no one has to accept how they would prefer the words to be defined, nor has anyone, which is exactly what is causing this confusion.
Esperanto was an entire language defined as a small group of people thought it "ought" to be. Guess how well that went down ^^' ?
Case in point: When was the last time you heard ANYONE using the term "kibibyte" or "mebibyte"? As for me, it was only here, in this thread, within the past two years. That's not how a successful (re)definition of a word works.
There's specific, very solid reasons to use power-of-two sizes in computer applications, which ? again ? is exactly why RAM sizes reflect this; there's no "fudge" room for manufacturers to prevaricate.
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leglessoz
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4. May 2013 @ 15:09 |
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The originators of the terms should not have used ISO terminology in the first place. By the way, ISO standards are NOT defined for use by a small group of people but by the majority of the world; standards the USofA refuses to use.
The only reason the correct terms aren't in common use is most people have never heard of them. Computer scientists or anyone else don't get to decide that they will use ISO standard terminology incorrectly and not get flack for it.
I'm well aware of why a wrongly termed kilobyte is 1,024 bytes (but thanks anyway for pointing out that it's binary 2^10). The "fudge" as you put it was made by the scientists in calling 1,024 bytes a kilobyte.
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leglessoz
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4. May 2013 @ 15:15 |
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Besides the ISO was created in 1947 and the term byte was not invented until 1956.
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4. May 2013 @ 15:59 |
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Originally posted by Interestx:
Indeed.
It's only going to get sillier & more trouble-making as sizes get bigger, if a 4tb HDD is really 3.6tb then how ridiculous is it going to look like when we get to 6, 8 or 12tb?
None of this is about pre-installed softwares either, it's just a huge discrepancy between the advertised capacity & reality.
All the manufacturers need to just get over it & start to reflect reality in my view.
Agree:
This is like Countries living with old out-dated Constitutions (principles/rules), 'cos benefice the rich class only. (In this case Corporations) When all Countries Constitutions should reflect today living standards.
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4. May 2013 @ 16:20 |
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Originally posted by leglessoz:
Besides the ISO was created in 1947 and the term byte was not invented until 1956.
Fail. The terms "kilobyte" and "megabyte" were never meant to refer to ISO, and in fact the people who invented the terms were quite aware of SI units; they just used the prefixes "kilo" and "mega" (and etc.) for ease of visualizing the units involved. Again, it makes a LOT of sense to use power-of-two units with binary computers, and none to use power-of-10. Furthermore, the terms "kibibyte" and "mebibyte" didn't exist until 1999; they were actually invented by the IEC.
As for the "correct terms", well, if literally no one uses the *cough* correct term, it's NOT correct. Furthermore, ISO never actually referred to those specific terms, and the IEC can go piss up a tree, as far as the rest of the world is concerned.
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