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ScubaPete
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24. July 2004 @ 19:29 |
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When I go to the NEC drive in MY computer and click properties.. under driver it says: Microsoft driver version 5.1.2535.0. Is this significant?
No, it's not significant. What you're looking at is the driver for your Nec ND 1300A DVD burner, the same one as I have.
Pete
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michigan
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25. July 2004 @ 03:38 |
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I don't have INCD (i uninstalled it when a member on this forum informed me that it MAY be the reason for the illegal disc)so I actually CAN'T format my discs, however I can "erase rewritable disc" in Nero. And when I put in a blank DVD+RW disc in Nero and try to erase it, I get the illegal disc message.
A Rewritable must be formatted before use, if it is not formatted it will be an "illegal" disc. You can't erase it if it is not recognized as a legal disc. So was the disc previously formatted or not.
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Veblin
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25. July 2004 @ 06:10 |
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A Rewritable must be formatted before use.
No. For most normal uses a rewritable disc only has to be blank or erased to be used (disc-at-once or track-at-once).
A rewritable disc only has to be formatted when it is used with packet writing software. Packet writing is a technology that enables the writing of data to a disc incrementally, in multiple small blocks of data, rather than in a single block (as in disk-at-once recording), or in blocks defined by tracks (as in track-at-once recording), the other two common methods. Packet writing software makes it possible for the user to save data to a disc in the same way as it would be saved to the hard drive or a floppy.
So the question's here really are.
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Why are these disc's being formatted in the first place when they don't need to be? Making a DVD-Video back-up is a disk-at-once operation and doesn't involve any packet writing.
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Why once these disc's are formatted for use with packet writing software, they can't be erased? Is the illegal disc caused by the format failing or the erase failing or both.
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michigan
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25. July 2004 @ 07:02 |
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I have used Rewriteables with Nero several times for backups and every time Nero had me format the disc the first time I used it. After the first time there was no problem. Maybe completly unrelated to this problem but worth a shot.
Have you updated your Nero programs with the latest versions? Maybe you have a flaky install,after all this it couldn't hurt to try a fresh install or an update if you don't have the latest version.
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Veblin
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25. July 2004 @ 09:17 |
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It has been a while since I had a completely blank never used DVD+RW. So I went out and bought a few. Yes Nero does say formatting when it first starts to write to a blank DVD+RW. But it is a very short format. It is not at all the same as the UDF format that packet writing software like InCD does. If you format with InCD then you have what is supposed to be a blank UDF formatted disc. But if you then use Nero Burning Rom to write DVD-Video to that disc it will say that the disc is not empty and needs to be erased.
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michigan
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25. July 2004 @ 09:22 |
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Now we're rolling on the same highway! I never did any real packet writing so what you just said is what I was refering to. I'd still like to know if a reinstall or an update to Nero would do anything, could be a glich in the install.
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mindgod
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25. July 2004 @ 09:48 |
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thanks for the comments guys, It is NOT Nero, I am using the latest version of Nero and the install is clean. The previous version of Nero (6.3.15-i think) gave me the same exact problem. I popped the DVD+RW into the drive, clicked to burn video files, the disc began the '"short format" the format was successful and then the very second it began to burn, the burning failed and said "illegal disc" Members told me it's the media, so I got Ritek Ridatas and I have the same problem.
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michigan
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25. July 2004 @ 09:55 |
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It sounds like for whatever reason your burner is having a problem, pretty much everything else seems to not be working. Since scubapete has the same burner and no probs maybe your drivers are not right or your firmware is corrupt.
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Veblin
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25. July 2004 @ 12:24 |
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I think we need a new plan.
Download and install DVDINFOPro.
http://www.dvdinfopro.com/
http://www.dvdinfopro.com/download/dvdinfo2.zip
Put one of your DVD+RW disc's that are giving you an Illegal disc error in the burner.
Run DVDINFOPro and click on the icon of a disc with a pencil & eraser.
Under Main Options check Full Format and click Go.
After it is done close DVDINFOPro.
Select a DVD you want to backup.
Run DVD Shrink.
Select Open Disc and select the disc you want to backup.
Select Full Disc.
Select Backup.
Select target device: ISO Disc Image.
Check Launch DVD Decrypter to burn the output image.
Click OK and let DVD Shrink encode and DVD Decrypter burn your DVD.
Report if you have any error doing it this way and if you do post the DVD Decrypter log.
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mindgod
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25. July 2004 @ 12:52 |
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Veblin yes sir!! I will try your suggestion and post the results tommorrow. Today, I have to study for a exam! :(
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DemonDog
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25. July 2004 @ 13:05 |
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26. July 2004 @ 16:25 |
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Is the drive still in the external enclosure, or is it now properly jumpered to it's own IDE channel? It would be best to have it installed internally ... and this would eliminate the possibility of faulty electronics within the USB communications package.
And, I would agree with Veblin that a new plan is needed. 99% of the problems like yours are solved by using proper media. You are the 1%. As such, you may also be looking at a corrupt system file. The best way to find out is with the system file checker (sfc) routine. For info and repair:
http://www.networkclue.com/os/Windows/commands/sfc.php .
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I am always doing that which I can not do, in order that I may learn how to do it. (Pablo Picasso) This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 26. July 2004 @ 16:34
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mindgod
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26. July 2004 @ 19:52 |
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Veblin: I performed the steps that you described, and Decrypter successfully burned the ISO image.
(thanks)
Doc: The drive is still in the USB 2.0 enclosure, I am not that experienced with hardware, and plus if the Drive worked once, then it's not faulty.
therefore, I think this was the problem all along: Nero just didnt work well with my drive. OR!!! My firmware is corrupt, in which it makes the drive behave randomly.
question: (to anyone who is willing to answer) Is there a software to check the validity of the firmware?
aside: I tried to burn (this is a month ago) an ISO image with Decyrpter and I used Fujifilm DVD+RW media, and it said error-check source condition. So this "problem" is very puzzling.
but this time (with the ritek) I was able to successfully burn the ISO, so I will keep doing that. I will post if there are any errors.
BTW: Is it just me? or that with DVDINFOPRO takes a WHILE to format a DVD+RW?
thank you all for the support
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mindgod
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26. July 2004 @ 20:02 |
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DOC: thanks for the file checker info... wow i didn't even know that existed. Do you think that will solve the problem? The site you kindly provided says to use it "as a last resort."
What if I do a RAM upgrade... now i have 384 MB DDR RAM. Will a upgrade to 768 MB.. increase NERO's performance? If anyone else has other conclusions PLEASE post them, but I just have a feeling that Nero doesnt work well with my drive in terms of Video_ts files.
Pete, do you have Nero? if so..how does it work with the NEC.
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26. July 2004 @ 20:30 |
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The reason the article says to use the system file check as a "last resort" is because a lot of problems have easy fixes, such as changing settings. It doesn't make sense to eliminate a problem with the OS as a first step. You are down to last resorts, though.
Your results are a moving target, in that what works one day, doesn't the next. Also, some procedures work, and others don't. This is typical of a corrupt system file, corrupt firmware, or a marginal electronic component somewhere in the overall drive package.
I also suspect a data transfer problem within the USB package. The only way to eliminate this is to install the drive internally. The installation is not as difficult as you think.
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Veblin
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26. July 2004 @ 21:18 |
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I think the problem is with Nero.
Are all the disc's that you got the illegal disc error ones that you used the InCD format on and then could not erase?
I will say again. Don't use InCD. Don't even have it installed.
DVDINFOPro seems to be able to erase the disc's that Nero can't. Try again erasing another disc that gave you that error and then try a Nero burn.
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ScubaPete
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27. July 2004 @ 14:33 |
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a Short reminder mindgod, - as the good "Doc" said, media causes 99% of problems such as yours. Stay on the Ritek road, especially when using single write discs, you can't go wrong.
Glad you're cooking now -
Cheers,
Pete
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mindgod
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27. July 2004 @ 18:14 |
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thanks Veblin, Pete, Doc, Karen, and the rest of you who helped!. I would like this to be continue to be an active thread for anyone who has errors while burning. I will keep posting updates.
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ScubaPete
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28. July 2004 @ 13:29 |
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Hey there mindgod, we're not quite through with you -
We're glad you?re doing so well, that means we?ve done our job well -
It?s people like you who make this site work too - You've seen how we work and you see we have fun doing it -
Now it's your turn, stop back when you're free and help someone else - they'll appreciate it and it will make you feel better :-)
Then you can ?Welcome? them into the Club :D
We hope to see you around when you're not having problems to solve -
You'll find us over there, by the water cooler, under the potted palm, chewing the fat and trying to help the next Newbie with the weight of the burning world upon their shoulders -
We'll be looking for you -
Cheers,
Pete
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shooter
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28. July 2004 @ 15:01 |
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I was getting some of these illegal errors for a while, and the problem WAS with the INCD program. I deleted it, and it never came back up again. So I would be sure to keep that off my machine.
As far as upgrading your RAM, it can never HURT you to do so, but it is not really needed. I usually monitor my RAM when I burn or decode a DVD. When I burn, it seldom reaches 120 megs of RAM in use, and for decoding, it will seldom go over 256 megs. And if you are not going to be running any programs while you are decoding, as Pete warns not to do, then the extra RAM would not come into play anyway. (If you are, then you will want to be over 512 megs anyway, one gig is better.)
I too have heard of MANY problems with using USB 2.0 external enclosures. In fact many that you can buy after market warn specifically NOT to install a DVD-RW in it. A DVD-ROM is fine, but they bottle neck on the burner side. So if you installed it yourself in a external enclosure, check a few web sites on that, and see if yours is one of the ones they are having problems with. I guess FIREWIRE is suppose to work fine with a DVD-RW external, so if you have one of the either OR kind of enclosure, that uses either USB 2.0 OR Firewire, than I would suggest you use the Firewire port, if you have a connection for it on your computer.
But the best advice is to just pop it into your case. I don?t know what makers box you have, but they are all pretty simple to get into now. And it is only either 2 or 4 simple screws and two plugs to undo to slide the old out and the new one in. Or if you have an open 5 ½? bay, then you can just add it to your array. Just connect the two plugs, (those being the POWER AND ATA connections) slap the box back together, and your done. If you are running XP, you probably wont even have to load a driver for it, it will just load its self.
I hope your problem does not reoccur, but if it does, that is what I would check into before anything else.
Good luck to you.
Shooter===>>
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ScubaPete
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28. July 2004 @ 16:28 |
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mindgod,
Again I remind you to check my sig as we have the same burner. For 1 1/2 yrs my NEC was in a 2.0 USB setup, with a recent purchase to replace another burner I swapped the NEC to the inside and the Pioneer to the USB external setup.
I have had ZERO difficulity with either burner running in a 2.0 USB external config. setup. Double-check your fan specs to make sure your drive is really Kool BUT the drive itself, unless it proves faulty sometime in the future, should be finer than frog hair, I say, I say slicker than a southern, slimey, 3-toed sloth - I mean, I mean, it'll do gooden :P)
Pete
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scottzhai
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28. July 2004 @ 18:21 |
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ScubaPete
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28. July 2004 @ 19:55 |
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Naughty boy there scottzhai,
You should know by now there's no peddling around these parts without a permit -
Bad, bad boy -
Sea Yaaaaaaaaaaaa,
ScubaPete
(Banning is good for the soul, Heh, heh)
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mindgod
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29. July 2004 @ 12:06 |
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Shooter: The USB 2.0 enclosure kit came with the drive, meaning I didn't install it myself. I bought it on Ebay (NEW) from pcmaxxusa. Like Scuba said, I doubt the problem lies in the USB itself, if anything, the drive has problems with Nero. Today I got a new program (trial) called Copy to DVD from Herrie's site (www.herrie.org) and my question is: has anyone used it? It is supposed to be "good" with NEC's.
But in the meantime, i will keep using DVDINFOPRO, DVD Decrypter, and DVD Shrink, to burn ISO's. Though I REALLY prefer to make DVD's with Video_ts files.
Video_ts files are just SO much better to work with (for me) that is. I will keep updating.
and Pete...YES I will help others when I have a chance. Questions about Nero and Media are pieces of cake. the other ones I will leave to YOU guys. lol take care
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ScubaPete
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29. July 2004 @ 13:57 |
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mindgod,
Once again I believe I can be of help :)
Copy to DVD works well with my NEC and my Pioneer. It is not only a good proggy but one of the fastest I've used. More good news - With the release of the new DVD Shrink, ver 3.2 - Copy to DVD can also be used as a default burner with DVD Shrink also :) It can burn VIDEO_TS Folders as well as ISO images. It's a good proggy to try and to buy -
Take it out for a spin mindgod, take it around the block and kick the tires, - it does everything you've asked for -
cheers,
Pete
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