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22. May 2007 @ 16:53 |
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Originally posted by catsee:
good luck giving ur money away to people who ban people and r mean evil people
exactly i don't get how people find the worst solutions, like buy an elite because your banned! maybe develop our own pc live service that fakes to console to live rather then lan thing. that would be awesome. maybe make a little box that does it and our own pcs are servers or something! it would be awesome and everyone would pay 100 for one time fee for the box or something that would probably be needed and play our own live with no fear of ever being banned. but ms will make it illegal somehow!
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22. May 2007 @ 16:55 |
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Originally posted by catsee:
catpee on menrock
Originally posted by catsee:
but on a serious note i look online and see my friends having a good time playing it breaks my heart i hope we get this together. its not the end of the world but i enjoy talking to people online like menrock
its memnock unless ur playing games with him!
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22. May 2007 @ 17:17 |
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Appreciated ha9981,
I let that whole menrock thing slide a couple times and even did a name play back on him. However, this is going out to you catsee I don't want to see it anymore. Generally the mods agree with me and take action when I tell them someone is being a problem. I don't want to have to bring them into this.
Back to the the topic at hand. I flashed that MS25 today and I'm going to see what happens. I haven't sign in with my Live account yet. I'm trying to decide if I want to give it a shot or just test the connection for a week or so or make a new Live account and sign in with that. At least the place I bought it from gave a free $50 gift with it which take the sting of a little bit.
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catsee
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22. May 2007 @ 17:48 |
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im fucking with memnock as soon as i buy a new 360 next i hope he give me his name so i can play with him ?????????????? so will u
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catsee
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22. May 2007 @ 17:50 |
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i hope u dont bring the mod into this if i get ban i might have to go to work hahahaha
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22. May 2007 @ 17:53 |
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Well that's all cool, but let's just put it to rest. My Live account that I've used for the past 1 and a half is in my sig. I'm staying off Live with my new 360 for a little while, and of course my old one is banned. Just know I was brave or crazy enough to flash a new MS25 out of the box using the banned 360 as the power supply. I'll make sure I only put stealth backups or originals in it.
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catsee
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22. May 2007 @ 17:57 |
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do u honestly believe with new firmware ms will un ban us or just buy a new 360 whats ur advice
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22. May 2007 @ 18:10 |
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MS isn't unbanning anyone from a phone call and a scan. I can almost guarantee that. The best you could do is send them your console. They can see if it's be wrongly banned. If you've done anything like changed firmware or swap drives I'm 99% they'll know and it'll stay banned. They'll probably charge shipping to get it back. Your best shot is with flashing a new console, but unless it's a Samsung you'll want to wait to see how it goes with the new firware coming out.
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catsee
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22. May 2007 @ 18:21 |
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its a sammy what u heard something about the sammy?
also i know about the extreme online but tell me what u know
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22. May 2007 @ 18:40 |
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I can't remember the exact details, but basically with all Hitachis you can't really make the firmware stealth. You can with Sammys. I don't have any details on the new ixtreme online firmware except it's supposed to fix whatever is wrong with Hitachi drives and it won't boot backups unless they are properly stealth patched.
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22. May 2007 @ 19:11 |
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Originally posted by catsee:
good luck giving ur money away to people who ban people and r mean evil people
its your fault. stop bitching. if you want to do something about it call a lawyer otherwise shut up
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22. May 2007 @ 19:49 |
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Originally posted by catsee:
i hope u dont bring the mod into this if i get ban i might have to go to work hahahaha
u can ad to ur last post by editing it with the little pencil to paper button! don't double post right after your old one plz.
and can someone help me on how to quote more then once?
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22. May 2007 @ 19:52 |
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Quote:
Originally posted by catsee:
good luck giving ur money away to people who ban people and r mean evil people
its your fault. stop bitching. if you want to do something about it call a lawyer otherwise shut up
come on mikeismad you got to admit the games are overpriced. if they were 10-25 bucks i would never bootleg and go legit. they buy the dl discs for like what as mass one costs like 1.50? they put data on it that was hard developed and price it like 50-80! thats mad! if they made it cheaper they will actually make more money since 10 times more people will buy and 100 times less people will bootleg since the effort and risk is not worth risking for saving like 10 bucks with ur console at risk of a live ban!
edit: sorry for double post i don't know how to double quote! someone tell me!!!
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22. May 2007 @ 23:12 |
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oK, so what ive gotten from all this is, if we were to flash our banned consoles with xtreme online, we'd have to do it with an outside power source ie hard drive on pc???
i read people saying that we need to get another unbanned/banned xbox to put in the origanlly banned xbox yadayada wtf!! ,, is what i said on top correct, or am i mistaken!
thaks guy
ps. this new xtreme online is really sounding like a breathe of fresh air, lets just hope this really works **fingers crossed*
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22. May 2007 @ 23:58 |
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Since i'm not banned do ya'll think i'd be safe just playing original games from now on and not touching the firmware again?
The Xtreme online sounds ok, but live is just to important to me and I don't want to be banned.
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23. May 2007 @ 01:07 |
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Originally posted by goyankees:
oK, so what ive gotten from all this is, if we were to flash our banned consoles with xtreme online, we'd have to do it with an outside power source ie hard drive on pc???
i read people saying that we need to get another unbanned/banned xbox to put in the origanlly banned xbox yadayada wtf!! ,, is what i said on top correct, or am i mistaken!
thaks guy
ps. this new xtreme online is really sounding like a breathe of fresh air, lets just hope this really works **fingers crossed*
No sorry to break the bad news but what they are saying is if your console is banned then at the moment there is no way around this, your console will remain banned. It has been suggested you could try flashing it with the Xtreme Online firmware and then telephoning MS and claim you have been banned for no reason. They will rescan your console, not detect a firmware change then "unban" you. I think this is unrealistic though.
If you're desperate to go back on live then you'll have to stump up for a brand new console, you then have two choices, don't mess with the firmware and only play original games on live or flash it with Xtreme Online but do not use the consoles power source to do it. Either use an external power source (by removing the drive from the console) or place the drive in the already banned console in order to flash it.
Personally I think if people are that desperate to remain on XBL and have already been banned, they then decide to buy another 360 then it would be crazy to flash the firmware on the new one. Whose to say somewhere down the line MS won't find another way of detecting the Xtreme Online firmware. You could finish up with two banned consoles in your household and no access to XBL.
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23. May 2007 @ 02:04 |
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sorry to post here ,but this is where everyone seems to be responding.
ive been on live before i flashed, but havent been on since.
i havent got the new spring update yet, im going to load it of a new game.
does anyone think i will be ok if i wait for this new firmware and then use live.
my games are are backed up with the kreon firmware. so the only way at the moment i can see they could ban me is from using the 360 as a power source during flashing.
is that right any comments would be appreciated.
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23. May 2007 @ 03:44 |
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man, i check back every day and 2-3 pages get added onto this post. I just do not understand why.
NO ONE HAS ANY REAL ANSWERS!!!
the firmware is probably not the only thing that MS is scanning. There are probably multiple things. And for all those asking questions about "if i do it this way can i get on live". Well if your console has been flashed you can do anything you want. The damage is already done and you take the same risk as anyone else of being banned. I do not care if you did not get the spring update or not. Because to get onto XBL you have to get it, so you are stuck either way.
Just live with the facts that every modder already knows. You mod your console and you take the risks that come with it. Especially when it comes to using a modded console on XBL, which has been a no-no since the beginning stages of the original Xbox. It happened then and it will continue to happen with every console they make.
there is only one sure fire way not to get banned. Go buy another console, and the original games. And then use only the unmodded console and original games on Xbox Live. That simple.
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23. May 2007 @ 04:10 |
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i was just asking , you seem a bit pissed off.
im not bothered about playing on xbl .it bores me
i was just curious in if i would be, i couldnt give 2 hoots if i was banned im just more interestd in making sure my backups still work offline , seems though that a ton of games are coming out next month.
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23. May 2007 @ 04:49 |
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MS isn't just scanning firmware. It's believed they can't see just the firmware away. From multiple sources I've heard MS has a 3 strikes rule. They look for several things and when you miss 3 of them that's 3 strikes and you are banned. Since I don't work for MS I can't say this is absolutely for sure, but I've been all over this for days and feel pretty confident in it. Check this list before going forward if you don't want to be banned yet play back ups on Live, but don't take the risk if you can't deal with the possible consequences.
TIPS ON HOW TO AVOID GETTING BANNED WHILE PLAYING BACK UP ON LIVE:
1. Have a Samsung Drive - please don't tell me your Hitachi isn't banned. Hitachis can't truly be stealth as of right now.
2. Don't play backups before their street release
3. Make sure you are using stealth firmware
4. Only play PROPERLY stealth patched backups
5. Have everything reading at the same speed preferably the fastest speed, but if everything reads slow that MAY not count as a strike.
6. Flash the drive before it ever goes on Live
7. DO NOT use an unbanned 360 as the power source when flashing. ie. never power up the 360 without the DVD Drive attached to the SATA cable. Get a kit or use a banned 360.
8. Do not re-flash once it's flashed.
These are my good idea rules as I'm not positive on them, but they can't hurt:
9. You probably should not spoof the firmware.
10. It's probably best to flash before you ever turn the 360 on.
11. Have the jitter fix.
If you are or aren't banned, check your situation against the list I made and report back.
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23. May 2007 @ 05:34 |
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1.samsung ms25
2.have never played backups online, have been online before flash though, and never been on xbl with flashed drive.
3 i use the kreon flashed drive with schtrom
5 i have 5.2a so same speed for all disk types
6 been online before flash thats 1 no no
7 i used xbox for power source 2 no no
8 i have flashed it twice from orig to 5.2c to 5.2a 3 no no
9i havent got spoofed firmware
10 i dont have the jitter fix
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23. May 2007 @ 05:38 |
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So you still aren't banned tudarck? btw 5.2a and 5.2c are pretty much the same firmware so I'm not sure that should count as a strike and maybe the flash before Live can be in my good ideas section. BTW have you unlocked achievements for games before their street release?
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23. May 2007 @ 05:48 |
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Quotes from the hackers in reguards to how they believe MS is banning. It's alot more than just powering on your 360 without the drive plugged in.
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C4E thinks MS is probably detecting and banning consoles from LIVE by tracking usage of backups via timing of the challenge response (c/r) on the drive over the last few weeks or months. A modified FW will reply much faster to the the Challenges requests (stored in a table) than an original firmware (seek on drive). They probably do this test more than once and can ban you if you're above a certain average.
FuzzyLogic also found that microsoft is sometimes doing additional checks on discs: PFI/DMI (so images without these sectors (or if using an old FWs without support for PFI/DMI) can probably be detected easily), drive inquiry (reads ascii string from drive), and capacity (reports capacity of disc) are requested. Strange thing here is MS requests 0x8000 bytes for PFI and DMI, while it should normally be 0x0800 bytes.
TheSpecialist pointed out that the remaining 0x7800 bytes contains the relocated SS and PFI on burned discs ... which would make it very easy to detect backups for MS.
C4E however told us this would not work on TS drives as its cut off to 0800 even if more data is asked, it's unconfirmed how modified HLG FWs drives respond to this atm.
The "read capacity check" will also work as detection on HLG because, unlike the newest TS FWs, it doesn't have true 'stealth media' yet, these drives are reporting back the burned disc based size of PFI instead of the correct PFI.
Apparently there's also an issue with SS (Security Sector) extracted from Hitachi-LG, some necessary data is screwed ... which means that probably only the Toshiba-Samsung / Kreon setup has been extracting correct SS.
Another thing they are probably detecting (but probably not using yet to decide to ban or not) and log/flag is if you ever booted your Xbox360 with DVD SATA cable not connected to your Xbox360 (E64). Many people did this to power their drive when they wanted to flash it (power connected to 360, SATA to PC). So it's highly suggested to use an external power to flash next time.
It's also possible MS also bans based on stuff like bad credit card info for your country, running a NTSC machine with euro-address/credit card (or inverse), having out-of-region (arcade) games and demos on your HDD, unofficial 360 HDD, internet downloaded gamesaves etc. There's no clear view on all this yet.
For now, C4E believes Microsoft is not detecting modified FWs or detecting FW changes/updates. Using a special FW they did not detect any debug commands sent to the drive by MS (they went through the dash/kernel updates with the special FW as well and did not detect any debug commands there either). So they think either:
A/ MS is not doing any FW detection right now, and only previously (maybe on request of MS servers while playing on LIVE?), or
B/ MS is banning based only on the timings of the drive, ss/pfi/dmi checks, capacity, drive inquiry and c/r verification.
Also, if anyone with a banned 360 thinks that they'll just reflash with the new firmware and call in to MS and bitch about being banned... think again. You're just going to make yourself look like a jackass.
MS patrols all the forums. They'll know when the new firmware comes out, where to get it, and how it works.
Now, all the sudden (after the fw release) there's a bunch of people calling in to complain they've been banned for no reason... give me a break.
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23. May 2007 @ 05:50 |
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very well said Memnock.
1. Have a Samsung Drive - MS28 for me
2. Don't play backups before their street release- didn't do that
3. Make sure you are using stealth firmware- Xtreme 5.2
4. Only play PROPERLY stealth patched backups- Not sure as i quite checking them once i found out that the firmware was stealth patching them so that i did not have to manually do it.
5. Have everything reading at the same speed preferably the fastest speed, but if everythings read slow that MAY not count as a strike. - not sure on this one but the person who flashed mine before i got it is a top modder in the scene and really knows what he is doing. Guess i could always check the disc he sent me with the original and modded firmware and find out.
6. Flash the drive before it ever goes on Live- did this. Flashing was done strait out of the box before anything was played.7. DO NOT use an unbanned 360 as the power source when flashing. ie. never power up the 360 without the DVD Drive attached to the SATA cable. Get a kit or use a banned 360. -not sure how he did it, but he flashes a ton of them so i am sure he has a proper way of doing it.
8. Do not re-flash once it's flashed. - no plans to, if it ain't broke..don't fix it
as of now still unbanned, but i know the bannings will come in waves and i really think that eventually everyone will have their time.
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23. May 2007 @ 05:52 |
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I wouldn't consider myself that technically inclined when it comes to flashing the xbox 360. Im trying to make sense of this interview i read with this c4commador person and what everyone is saying. Is there pretty much no hope for anyone with a HITACHI drive because there is no stealth firmware. As of 9:30 May 23 i can still play online with my backups. So do I even bother staying off XBL? or just play till my luck runs out?
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