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about DVD-R DL discs - should I buy a compatible writer?
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VJbob
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13. June 2005 @ 14:19 |
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I've read that most manufacturers aren't making Dual layer media because its not compatible with almost any standalone DVD players or PS2 backups. Of course that is just from DVD+R since that had been the only option for a long time. Now they have DVD-R DL options and I'm wondering if the situation has changed. I heard that overseas the DVD-R DL has been available for quite some time. Will they have a higher likelihood of playing backups of DVD-R video and PS2 backups? Much appreciated for any help.
The reason I'm asking is that my old external writer is getting old and there is a sale for the SONY external 720 that only burns DVD+R DL at 4x for a price of about $125. At the store right next to it is the 800 series which burns DVD-R DL but sells for $200. Should I hold out for the $200 to go on sale or buy the 720 @125 now? I know there are cheaper DVD writers out there but I have had positive experiences with brand names. Thanks.
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paztelu
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14. June 2005 @ 14:11 |
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Well actually DVD+R DL is pretty good and its compatible with alot of DVD players (not as much as DVD+R or DVD-R) but you should not have much trouble with it, I dont think manufacturers arent making DL media because its not compatible it is most probable because they dont have the technology or the equipment but that is another topic. The thing is that if you burn DVD+R Dl media without booking it, the compatibility issues you stated will probbably become true, so the point is that DVD+R DL media can be book typed to DVD-ROM and it will have more compatibility (in terms of %) than DVD-R DL media, theorycally DVD+R DL when booktyped to DVD-ROM will have more compatibility than DVD-R media but there are issues like reflectivity that make these numbers go down, but probbably only in old or "el cheapo" brand players so dont take this as a serious issue.
About the buying on of your new DVD+R DL drive get the SONY DRU-720A I have a 710A and have worked very well, not a coaster yet (although sony rebrands Lite ON), about speed dont worry I dont think you will need to burn faster than that when Using DL media, dont waste your money on the 800A only because it offers DVD-R DL media, you still have better compatibility when using +R DL media book typed to DVD-ROM which seems to be your main issue.
Conclusion: DVD+R DL media is very compatible (When booktyped to DVD-ROM), DVD-R DL comes already booked to DVD-R, But for 75 dollars is not worth it, speed is not an issue here, so get the 720A, Beware DONT GET A PIONEER DVD+R DL drive their unable to booktype and in that case various testing have proved that DVD+R DL have serious compatibility issues. Hoped it helped ;)
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VJbob
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15. June 2005 @ 12:45 |
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thanks. How do I 'booktype'??? Never heard of that before.
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15. June 2005 @ 14:33 |
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Nice post paztelu, pretty much took the words out of my mouth. Only thing I might add is I would recommend getting a dvdrw that has a booktype utility that one can use to automatically booktype all dvd+r media dvd-rom. I would recommend plextor first then benq followed by lite-on. You can booktype dvd+r to dvd-rom with sony but has to be set to do so each burn useing dvdd or nero (I think, correct me if I'm wrong. I only use lite-on booktype utility and benq booktype management utility. I don't use dvdd or nero to set booktype).
Here's a good read about booktyping. http://www.cdfreaks.com/article/150
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paztelu
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15. June 2005 @ 14:40 |
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Well for understanding what booktype, we must know that a DVD has a sector where info about what type of disc it is and other settings is stored, in the starts of the DVD these sector was left with a 0, but soon manufacturers wanted to use their own ID to identifie themselves from others, so probbably when you insert a DVD into your player, the player reads this sectors and detects what media are you using (DVD+R,DVD-R,DVD-ROM,DVD+RW,etc) some dvds are designed NOT to play some of different medias, so when you booktype to DVD-ROM the DVD detects the media as so and u have 100% compatibility, in the case of DVD+R DL, lets say your player does not support this media, but when you booktype them to DVD-ROM the player detects them as so and you will have alot more compatibility, in the case of DVD-R DL it already comes with prebooking so the DVD player will detect them as DVD-R.
To booktype in nero, before burning the movie, files,etc choose the options tab beside the writer, were it says booktype seetings choose DVD-ROM
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paztelu
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16. June 2005 @ 06:11 |
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Forgot to say, Pioneers do not support Booktyping period.
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VJbob
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17. June 2005 @ 14:16 |
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Wow, ok so I should definitely go with the 720 then since it seems DVD-R DL isn't going to be any more compatible. I started up Nero burning rom and the choices for DVD-ROM were 1)ISO, 2) BOOT, 3) UDF, 4)UDF/ISO. Which one is the proper booktype? I'm guessing it would be choice one right?
Also, don't programs like DVD Shrink automatically booktype DVDs for DVD-ROM compatibility. I remember a checkbox that says for check here for maximum compatibiltiy in all players.
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paztelu
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17. June 2005 @ 16:20 |
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Yes programs like DVD shrink do that, but in order to Booktype in Nero do this, before burning to your compilation, beside the name of your burner is a little icon of a cd and a drive click there, choose the burner, then click in the options tab and down below appears booktype option: choose DVD-ROM and thats it, if your using the nero express choose the options tab beside your burner names, and again the little tab will appear giving you the option to booktype will appear, just to remember you CANT book type DVD-R, DVD-RW or DVD-R DL. GL, if need more help just ask for it ;)
PS: the only options that will appear in the booktype tab will be: DVD-ROM, Physical disk Type, Or Unmodified
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VJbob
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18. June 2005 @ 15:49 |
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OK I'll go get the new DVD writer this weekend. Hopefully my Nero 6.6.0.12 or whatever is up to date and is DL compatible. I've also been thinking about finding a DVD Shrink-like application (although maybe backing up complete discs without transcoding preserves quality) so I can remove region coding, quick-access to menus, etc, but I think I saw an FAQ on this sites homepage. Thanks paztelu and mort for the help so far.
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VJbob
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22. June 2005 @ 15:19 |
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OK I bought the SONY-DRU720 and I've been having all kinds of problems with it. The first thing I did was burn a back-up movie using my laptop at 4x. It seemed OK. Then I tried to rip and burn a backup ps2 game with DVD Decrypter and the device buffer and the buffer were going wild up and down(when reading and writing), at points where there was no buffer at all (should I be worried) and the write speed varied from 6x-1.5x throughout the burning cycle, never staying steady at a certain speed, even though the media was 8x compatible.
Then I moved the SONY-DRU720 to my new desktop and burned at max speed again and the same thing with the buffers and write speed fluctation.I was able to decrypt at 15x but it fluctated the whole time between 15x and 3x. Is this normal? BTW the game load times were like 4x as long and I can hear my PS2 making noises saying why did you load this crap. Can anybody tell me if this is normal because with my SONY-DRU500 I always had a consistent buffer and write speed. I'm thinking I wasted my money. I'm scared to even waste trying to burn a DL disc. Any help much appreciated.
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22. June 2005 @ 15:30 |
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Is this an internal or external drive? Must be external if you can use it with both a desktop and laptop or you put it in an external enclosure. You need to keep your burn speeds to 4x or under at least untill you verify that everything is working right and the media being used is good quality. If internal are the jumpers on back set correctly?
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VJbob
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22. June 2005 @ 16:27 |
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yes it is an external drive and I have been using Ritek G05 white inkjet hub printable media DVD-R 8x.
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paztelu
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22. June 2005 @ 17:06 |
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Well this drives tend to be picky with media try using some verbs or TY's, and you will probabbly get better results...although Ive havent had a problem with this media yet...so try using some good verbs and you will see alot better results...GL
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22. June 2005 @ 17:14 |
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I recommend you think about the Plextor that Mort81 mentioned. It automatically booktypes the media, and does not have a problem with Ritek dual layer, or Verbatim. I have used both dual layer media and the disks have played on 5 different brand standalones with no playback problems. Plextor comes with PlexTools that allows you to test your burns and media, and you can setup various setting for your drive. I own the Plextor 716UF which is an external and it is a sweet drive. I have four other drives and I must say this has got to be the best of the bunch. My two cents :~)
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VJbob
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22. June 2005 @ 19:47 |
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I bought the external drive, I didn't do it myself. I'm also using USB 2.0 cause I don't have any Firwire ports on my computer. So about the buffer thing, even readings discs the rate varies and the read speed keeps fluctuating. Is that supposed to happen? I was thinking that reading decrypting/reading discs so fast at 15x was causing the writing problem. Is that possible?
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22. June 2005 @ 20:58 |
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By decrypting/reading do you mean ripping? Normally when ripping it will start out about 3.0 or 3.5x and peak out about 8-12x about half way through the rip.
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22. June 2005 @ 21:23 |
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yeah ripping thats what I meant. I was just concerned because the ripping speed never remained steady and neither does my burning speed. My old DVD writer used to rip and write at a consistent 2.0.
When burning using Nero and DVD Decrpyter should I just burn at "MAX" speed since the programs seems to adjust its write speed to the buffer availability. That just makes sense to me. With all the fluctations I'm worried that I'll produce 4x or 8x discs that are un-readable or very skippy.
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22. June 2005 @ 21:27 |
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do you think if i put the dvd-r book type to dvd rom itll help my v4 read them?
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I don't use an external burner so am probably not the best one to be giving advice but I seldom burn over 4x even on 8x and 16x rated media to decrease the chances for write errors.
Is your pc USB 2.0 compliant? Have you tried another USB cable?
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23. June 2005 @ 05:43 |
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Yea maybe the cable is having problems trasferring data from your computer to the burner, about the ripping speed it can vary alot specially in deeply scratched disc, when the burner tries to read deeply scratched sectors the speed may slow abit, and never burn above 4x when burning DVD video it can cause buffer errors and just some DVD players are not compatible with that speed (like mine), Booktyping would not help your drive to have a better read speed on your DVD, it will only increase compatibility. Dont burn at "MAX" Nero just ajust the fastest writing speed, not the recommended to prevent buffer underun errors, so as I said try burning at 4x, check cable, use 1st class media and you will get much better results. ;)
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VJbob
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23. June 2005 @ 16:53 |
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OK, guess most of the kinks were just for the initial few discs. I have a question about book-typing though. I just ripped and burned a DL DVD+R with DVD Decrypter but I'm not sure if its booktyped correctly. For 'physical format information (ADIP)' it says booktype: 'DVD+R DL'. but for 'physical format information (last recorded)' it says booktype 'DVD-ROM'. Then I tried it in my DVD player. The first boot said 'incorrect disc'. The second boot was successful. Just wondering if this disc was booktyped correctly. In the future I'll probably use Nero to be sure.
Also in Nero for the booktyping options the boxes for 'adapt writespeed to disc enabled' and 'DVD high compatibility mode (at least 1GB written) ' are checked. I guess those are normal.
Should I check the third box though which says 'write extended lead-out on double-layer disc'?
For sure, these will probably be my final questions. Thanks for the help guys.
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23. June 2005 @ 20:10 |
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Yes booktype was correct, some players have problems sometimes when trying to read a disc, if you try several times and still same problem, in that case you should start worriying... You should check Extended lead out for Double layer disc to extend RO compatibilty, I did that and had no problems when reading and writing to the disc, GL with everything and enjoy your DL disc...;)
PS: Leaving the other boxes checked its "normal" causes no problems when reading or writing and even helps your DVD...
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I can't answer your questions in regards to burning DL media as I haven't burned any yet [too rich for me and besides I use RB/CCE (best encoder under $2000)(uses same encoding engine as it's $2000 parent) to encode and compress my vidio files which are usually between 6800 mb (6.6 gb) and 7300 mb (7.1 gb) after editing w/ dvdremake to fit on a dvd5 and I can't see any video loss on my 52" big screen] but as far as determining if your burned discs are being booktyped dvd-rom use this free proggy http://dvd.identifier.cdfreaks.com/
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1. July 2005 @ 00:25 |
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Hi, i recently bought a plextor px 716uf dvd burner... and i ve a little problem with burning... it is stuck with 4x!!! in dvd+r with even original 16x dvd's!!! i used Nero, i used easy creator... no way!!! it shows 8x but burns at 4x-6x! i m used both usb and firewire interfaces and didnt make any change! i dont know what is wrong with this drive, i read many good reviews about this drive and i m just unlucky to get it work right! i also have 712uf one it works both in 12x and 8x perfect! but this 716 is just pain in the neck! i even updated the firmware to 1.08 no solution at all! any idea? software problem???(like as i know sometimes Nero or other softwares has compatibility problems with new drivers and cant burn at full speeds or aspi/spti driver problem? or hardware error? just please help me! thank you and appreciate any single word... i have a toshiba qosmio g15 av 501 laptop with win mce 2005 sp2 also installed force aspi 4.6 (1021)... pls
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