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DVD-R Help needed
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polgano
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2. November 2005 @ 19:38 |
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Back in june my wife bought me Balance Dual Format DVD Recorder. I bought a 100 pack of no name dvd-r's from the geekstore. I used them fine without issue until August. In August we bought a new dell computer with a dvd burner. Now the dvd's I burn in my dell will not play on my Balance Dual Format DVD Recorder even though I am using he same dvd-r's. they play in all of my other dvd players,
Can any onee tell me why? is this because of the media? or the recorder?
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andmerr
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2. November 2005 @ 22:06 |
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polgano
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3. November 2005 @ 16:14 |
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andmerr
Thank you very much for your help. Here are the results of the Disc Identifier
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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD-R:SKC Co.,Ltd.]
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Disc & Book Type : [DVD-R] - [DVD-R]
Manufacturer Name : [SKC Co. Ltd.]
Manufacturer ID : [SKC Co.,Ltd.]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,298,496 Sectors = 4.71 GB (4.38 GiB)]
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** INFO : Drive = _NEC DVD+-RW ND-3530A [FW 102B]
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD+R DVD+R-DL DVD+RW
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD-R DVD-RW
** INFO : Disc = [DVD-R:SKC Co.,Ltd.]
** INFO : Reference Speed : 1x DVD = 1385 kBps
** INFO : An Writeable Disc Is Recommended For Accurate Results
** INFO : Write Speeds (Supported By This Drive On This Disc) Listed Below
** INFO : GET PERFORMANCE Write Speed Descriptor(s)
Descriptor #1 = 5540 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 2770 kBps ( 2.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
** INFO : MODE SENSE Write Speed Descriptor(s) [Legacy Command]
** WARNING : MODE SENSE Is Obsolete And Not Always Properly Supported
Descriptor #1 = 8467 kBps ( 6.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 7056 kBps ( 5.09x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #3 = 5645 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #4 = 4234 kBps ( 3.06x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #5 = 2822 kBps ( 2.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #6 = 1411 kBps ( 1.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
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[ DVD Identifier V4.2.0 - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]
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polgano
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6. November 2005 @ 18:05 |
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still lookog for help. Can anyone help me?
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6. November 2005 @ 19:17 |
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Can you supply the specs of your DVD Burner that came with your new comp.
Forget that last request, even though your comp is new the firmware on your burner may not be up to date, suggest you check that out.
I tried checking out your firmware but couldnt find your model, where are you situated?
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laddyboy
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7. November 2005 @ 03:27 |
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Hello, polgano. Firmware 1.03C is available for your burner. See this link:
http://www.micheldeboer.nl/firmware/
click on 3530 in the left pane and the firmware will be in the right pane. I would choose the modified 103C (103c.zip) by liggy since it disables both the reading speed lock (rip lock) and the RPC (region protection code) scheme.
I would guess the problem has something to do with both the media and the burner. The firmware update may help. It's never a good idea to use no name media since one is never sure what one is getting and the media usually produces problems down the road. I would update the burner firmware and try another media brand to see if the Balance can read those burned disks. Good brand name media are Verbatim, Fuji (made in japan), Maxell, and Sony (made in Japan).
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7. November 2005 @ 03:58 |
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was just passing and saw the discs you're using - Quote:
Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD-R:SKC Co.,Ltd.]
- not very good quality at all..
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polgano
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7. November 2005 @ 04:24 |
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I just bought a 50 pack of Memorex DVD-R. I bought because of the name brand, but now I am hearing htat these are also bad disc's. Is this true?
I will run Disc Identifier on one when I get home from work and post the results here.
Why aould such a popular name brand known for theire quality be bad?
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7. November 2005 @ 05:22 |
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polgano
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7. November 2005 @ 17:09 |
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Here is the Unique Disc Identifier for my my new memorex DVD-R. Are these any good?
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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD-R:CMC MAG. AE1]
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Disc & Book Type : [DVD-R] - [DVD-R]
Manufacturer Name : [CMC Magnetics Corp.]
Manufacturer ID : [CMC MAG. AE1]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,298,496 Sectors = 4.71 GB (4.38 GiB)]
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** INFO : Drive = _NEC DVD+-RW ND-3530A [FW 102B]
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD+R DVD+R-DL DVD+RW
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD-R DVD-RW
** INFO : Disc = [DVD-R:CMC MAG. AE1]
** INFO : Reference Speed : 1x DVD = 1385 kBps
** INFO : An Writeable Disc Is Recommended For Accurate Results
** INFO : Write Speeds (Supported By This Drive On This Disc) Listed Below
** INFO : GET PERFORMANCE Write Speed Descriptor(s)
Descriptor #1 = 11080 kBps ( 8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 8310 kBps ( 6.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #3 = 5540 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #4 = 2770 kBps ( 2.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
** INFO : MODE SENSE Write Speed Descriptor(s) [Legacy Command]
** WARNING : MODE SENSE Is Obsolete And Not Always Properly Supported
Descriptor #1 = 8467 kBps ( 6.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 7056 kBps ( 5.09x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #3 = 5645 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #4 = 4234 kBps ( 3.06x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #5 = 2822 kBps ( 2.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #6 = 1411 kBps ( 1.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
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[ DVD Identifier V4.2.0 - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]
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videoboi
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7. November 2005 @ 17:17 |
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@ polgano:
Sorry but the Memorex disc's aren't good either since it's a CMC Mag.
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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD-R:CMC MAG. AE1]
Try some Sony's or Maxell's work for me if your using DVD-R.
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laddyboy
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7. November 2005 @ 17:20 |
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Polgano, they aren't considered very good quality so don't overburn. Stick to 4X as a burn speed. Good quality are Verbatim, Maxell (labeled made in Japan), Fuji (made in Japan), and Sony. Ridata/Ritek usually work decently as well. Some of the Fuji and Sony above are made by Taiyo Yuden, considered the highest quality. Otherwise TY can be purchased via the internet.
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polgano
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7. November 2005 @ 17:22 |
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Ah crap. I can't catch a break here. Should I just chuck these? or should I take my chances?
Laddy, I buy my media via the internet, is there a site that just sells the made in japan versions (since I can not see the lable on-line)?
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laddyboy
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7. November 2005 @ 17:34 |
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Polgano, I usually just buy at one of the office supply stores or circuit city or best buy so I can see for sure whether the cakebox is labeled "Made in Japan." They are just as cheap on sale in these stores as thru the 'net and I know what I'm buying. The Fuji and Sony labeled "MIJ" are almost always going to be Taiyo Yudens. Verbatims will be MCC disks since Verbatim is a subsidiary of MCC. Those I buy via the 'net when on sale, although I can usually find them just as cheap in the stores. Use the Memorex you have. Just don't burn faster than 4X. I hardly ever burn quality media faster than 4X in order to increase the likelihood of a good quality burn. Sometimes I'll burn 16X media at 6x or 8x. I just find that my standalones prefer higher quality burns and 4x generally provides that. Also be sure to not burn more than 4.3 gb. If you use DVD Shrink, select "Custom" as the target size and then set to 4300.
Since I don't buy TYs over the 'net I cannot recommend a source.
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7. November 2005 @ 23:21 |
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cool, the other guys got to reply, thus shilding my eyes from CMC Mag discs, cheers guys, it's too early to hurt my eyes :O
my signature can't take any more CMC threads :O
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ScubaPete
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8. November 2005 @ 16:43 |
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This topic surfaces in clusters. Seems that this lesson is a hard one to wrap ones head around especially for our new comers. The bottom line remains, DVD Media is of MAJOR IMPORTANCE when backing up DVD's.
This then is my most up-to-date list of recommended quality DVD media.
We need to use a consistently Hi-quality DVD media for our backups. Burning DVD video's isn't at all like burning CD's where almost any disc's are fine to use. Likewise, it's not like burning text files, photos, or even music to DVD's. Burning DVD video requires a consistently Hi-quality dye application over a good composite disc and believe it or not, not that many media meet those requirements. The following media meet our criteria for a good DVD video discs and they are;! Phillips, Sony, TDK, HP, "Branded" RiData G03's, Ritek G04 and G05's (not the 01's or the 02's), Verbatim DataLife, Verbatim DataLife Plus and media boasting "Advanced Metal AZO" BUT, it must say "Advanced METAL AZO", this indicates a superior dye and dye application on a good composite disc. Other discs such as Memorex, "Great AZO", Princo and the vast majority of store brands OR no name brands, a no-name media is something along the lines of, "Bob's discs "R" Us" are, in a word, crap. As a general rule, the majority of discs manufactured by Taiyo Yuden, Mitsubishi, RICOH are good bets. Only those Ritek named above are to be trusted the rest should be avoided. Look closely at those discs we recommended, you will see some dye types are not listed by us. Those are poor risks even though the same company makes them. Prices online from SuperMediaStore.com, Meritline.com OR Newegg.com have gotten Ritek G04 starting at about a $ .36 (USD) a disc - and just recently, a "Super Sale" had 100 Taiyo Yuden discs, 4X for $.25 ea.(USD). An added PLUS, the above online stores all have an excellent return policy.
For some excellent, online media stores to shop, try -
Mertline.com
http://meritline.com/
Newegg.com
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-132-...
OR,
Supermediastore.com
http://www.supermediastore.com/media1.html
Shopping around at retail stores can prove worthwhile as well even though exchanging an opened pack of media is next to impossible. ~ Staples, as of this date, offered HP +R DVD's (I LQQked them up using DVDIdentifier and they are made by Mitsubishi) for $18.00 per 50. Verbatim's were on sale offering a $10.00 (USD) rebate on a pack of 25, $20.00 (USD) on a pack of 50 AND Taiyo Yuden where on sale with their 4X, -R, DVD's for $.25 each (USD) ]in packs of 100 just a fortnight (2-weeks) past ~ Think of it, Taiyo Yuden's for $25 ea. There are sales all the time for the "Good" stuff - So you sea, quality isn't always expensive ~
Unfortunately, too many pple buy their crap media in bulk instead of buying it in smaller amounts until it proves itself to be of a constantly high enough quality to be used in DVD backups. Hence, I offer some "Stop Gap" methods of working through your pile of crap media. These "Tips" are some little "Tricks" that we have found that will boost your burning percentage so you won't be so far behind the financial "8 Ball".
I caution you to make backups of your backups. Those backups you did on the crap media, besides being of poor quality for burning, also have been shown to have a memory that is substandard to boot. Poor quality DVD's can become totally unplayable within a short period of time. Reports of Memorex, Princo, Bulk Orange and others becoming unplayable in as little as 9 months with a much larger percentage of them going "Belly up" in 1 to 3 years are reported frequently.
Herein then, find my suggestions to help you so that not all is lost:
In trying to work through your cheap media, here are some tried and proven "Tricks" we can employ to help you over your poor media "Hump":
A good start is to begin playing your DVD on your onboard PC media player. Allow it to run for 2 or 3 minutes so that your DVD software can sea it. Once your software has found the DVD, feel free to shut your player down. Should that first step fail, try those "Tips" and "Tricks" listed below.
TRICK 1.
1. Here's a good fix: Reset your Target DVD size to somewhere between 4100 MB to 4200 MB instead of the recommended 4300 MB. I.e., Go into DVD Shrink, "Edit", "Preferences" then, reset the "DVD Target Size" from it's default of DVD-5 (4464 MB) to "Custom" and enter 4100 MB as the new target size. By reducing the amount of disc area to be burned, it will keep your burning away from the disc's outer edges where the dye on poor quality DVD discs tends to be uneven, brittle and flaking OR just plain absent. Nero's Recode2, CloneDVD2, DVD2One, and the vast majority of good burning applications will allow you to easily reset the "DVD Target size" to a smaller size.
TRICK 2.
2. You may reduce the number of errors and "artifacts", (the "freezing", " skipping", pixelation and other picture abnormalities) when burning poor media by burning your discs at a reduced speed. It has been my experience that burning at 2X or 2.4X will likely succeed where faster burns may not. Don't be surprised if you have to burn at 1X. With some discs, you're lucky to have it burn DVD Video at all. It will take slightly longer to burn but, what the heck, we only have to work through a few of them. Isn't it wonderful that you use decent media so you're not forced to play this game with them all the time ? Since you've already reduced your DVD Target Size, you're compressing your movie more Sooo, it might be wise to burn just the movie. The less you burn, the better the quality soooo, movie only, please.
For those new to DVD Video burning, we recommend setting your burning speed at 4X, when using good media. When using poor media, adjust drastically downward. When burning at 8X or higher, no matter what burn speed your media or burner, you'll wind up producing coasters, period ! When discs are rated for their burn speed, that speed is great for text, docs and graphics BUT, when you attempt to burn DVD video projects in excess of 8X, then you run an excellent chance of producing errors. :(
TRICK 3.
3. "Magical cleaning", is a "sometimes fix" which has been known to sneak a few extra discs into use especially when your PC refuses to recognize the disc. When we say "Magical cleaning", it really isn't, we just clean those new, out of the package, DVD's using a commercial disc cleaner, eyeglass cleaning solution or 99% Isopropyl Alcohol and a soft cotton cloth. Begin from the inside of the hub rubbing towards the outer edge, 'round and around and a rub-a-dub, dub. As soon as you're finished, "Pop" it into your DVD tray and fire up your program. A cleaning of the discs laser lens also helps. Use either a laser-cleaning disc, IMO, the best method to clean it while it remains in place OR, use a blast of canned air to remove built-up dust from the lens. Either one should do the trick. While we're talking about it, I recommend cleaning your laser lens at least once a month for general maintenance.
After a lens and disc cleaning, you would be surprised how many times your disc is now "seen" and works like a "Big Dog". :-)
4. Many times your DVD work is starved for resources so we need to free some up. First, begin by going to "Start" ~ "Run", type in "msconfig", click "OK". Select the "Startup" tab then "Disable all" then click, "Apply", "OK", "OK" again and then, "OK to reboot". You'll now have 100% of your system's resources to deal with your DVD work. If you would like to set your "msconfig" Startup to run at it's peak, you'll only need to "slide" the "Location" column out of the way to see the programs in the startup list. The only ones necessary to startup when your windows begin are your AV (Anti-Virus) programs and your Firewall. If you have never adjusted this section before, you should notice a nice increase in your PC's performance.
This last little "Trick" is to "reboot" your PC just prior to inserting your disc into the drive. "Cleaning out" your clipboard and your RAM memory, so to speak. It seems to help. ~ Go figure, huh ~ ?
Remember, a quality media isn't the one that costs the most, it's the one that's made the best.
You can never go wrong with quality. :)
I hope this has been of some help.
Pete
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