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Green Day Bullet in a Bible backup trouble
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AfterDawn Addict
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19. November 2005 @ 07:37 |
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Has anyone been successful in backing up Green Day's Bullet in a Bible DVD? I have not had any luck with it in DVD Shrink 3.2 It seems that the audio file is over 1.5 GB and cannot be compressed, therefore the entire DVD won't shrink enough to fit on a DVD-4.7.
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19. November 2005 @ 07:41 |
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Have you tried just re-authoring the whole thing? ANd is the audio file DTS or what?
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19. November 2005 @ 08:42 |
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no the same thing happens when I go into re-author mode as well. There are two audio files, one is LPCM Stereo 2 ch. which is 1,967 MB and the other is AC3 5.1 ch which is 381 MB. So even with the video compressed to nearly 50%, these two audio files still make the DVD a total size of 5,158 MB, so its too big. I've never seen the audio files to big before, and I don't see anyway to compress them...
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19. November 2005 @ 09:21 |
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Have you tried running the file through Shrink twice?
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19. November 2005 @ 09:46 |
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I thought about doing that, but I don't think the quality will be very good. The audio will stay at 100% original size, and the video is compressed to more than 50%, so by doing that twice the video would be less than 25% quality...I don't think the results will be that great.
Are there any DVD shrinkers out there that compress the audio along with the video?
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19. November 2005 @ 09:51 |
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So there are 2 audio streams, right? LPCM Stereo 2 Ch which is 1,967 MB and AC3 5.1 Ch which is 381 MB. Can't you just choose the AC3 5.1 Ch. Is the LPCM necessary? Maybe it is. I don't know. Anyone know about this?
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19. November 2005 @ 09:57 |
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thats what I've been wondering. I'm not a huge surround sound guru, but I'm pretty sure that if I lose the stereo track (which is what my receiver is currently set at, as I don't have any surround speakers set up at the moment) and I only have the AC3 file, that I will have to play the DVD in AC3 format to be able to hear the audio...and I'm not even sure if my receiver (an Onkyo TX-DS484) supports AC3...it only says Dolby Digital and DTS on the front of it.
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19. November 2005 @ 09:58 |
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I agree, I've never heard of an audio stream being any where near 2mBs. Have you any idea what it is? I would think the AC3 would be enough, it usually is the main audio stream.
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akyllonen
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19. November 2005 @ 09:59 |
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Picked this up this week...I'll check it out. I don't believe that compressing audio is possible on a DVD, thus none of the Shrink type programs have this feature.
If all else fails you can always use a DL Disc....I've been waiting to play around with DL anyways!!!
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19. November 2005 @ 10:02 |
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yeah thats what I was thinkin. Unfortunately I just have a single layer Pioneer 4X burner, but I believe my bro's new burner is DL, so perhaps I will cruise over to his place tonight and give it a go. That pretty much answers my question of compressing the audio though...so strange that the audio is so huge...must be damn high bitrate or something, but maybe its cause its a live music DVD so the audio is the highest quality possible.
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akyllonen
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19. November 2005 @ 11:12 |
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Checked out the disc...I'd drop the LPCM and just run the AC3 5.1. That should be fine and compression is ~76%. I think the AC3 will be compatable with all systems. Can't hurt to try!
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19. November 2005 @ 12:02 |
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good point. just got back from fry's with a butt-load of dvd-rs, so I will shortly give it a try...I'll post the results when I get them
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19. November 2005 @ 13:30 |
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Okay everybody, I just successfully backed up the DVD with DVD Shrink 3.2, and I elimated the LPCM stream and left just the AC3 file. I was a little skeptical, but low and behold it sounds just fine. Perhaps the huge PCM file is just a sort of copy protection or some crap like that. But anyways, thanks for all the help and suggestions! Time to go blast out my eardrums...
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19. November 2005 @ 13:34 |
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Just a question... wouldn't you rather leave in the LPCM since it's a concert DVD. I would want sound quality over video quality. Could you have gotten rid of the 5.1 and keep the LPCM instead? How much space would that give you? I ask b/c I'm considering getting bullet in a bible sometime later.
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19. November 2005 @ 13:38 |
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well thats what I originally planned to do, since like I mentioned above iI don't even listen to my DVDs in surround sound. But the AC3 file is only ~350 MB, where as the LPCM one was nearly 2GB. So even if you uncheck the AC3 file, the LPCM one is still way to big to fit on a DVD-R 4.7.
But I own the original (as you can tell I'm a Green Day fan) and just wanted a backup like I do with all my DVDs. But I just compared the two at very high volume, and they sound the exact same to me, and as a Pro Tools audio instructor I like to think I have a pretty good ear. I stick to my original theory that the huge PCM file is to prevent people from copying it.
*edit* damn typos
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19. November 2005 @ 13:45 |
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Thank you very much, that's good to know. And 76% is a pretty good compression. Again thank you.
This is why I don't get DVDs when they first come out. I wait till someone else messes up then I do it the right way. No need to waste any blanks.
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19. November 2005 @ 13:51 |
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yeah I was damn confused at first, since I haven't used DVD Shrink lately, but that pesky huge LPCM file seems to be the culprit, and it apparently isn't needed. Do get the DVD though, it is a f*cking awesome performance. I've seen GD live over 10 times, and they are hands down the best sounding live band I've ever heard. Well worth the $18 for the DVD and CD combo...cheers
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19. November 2005 @ 13:58 |
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How the hell could you afford GD ticks 10 TIMES?? There like 300 dollars.
Do you have international supervideos? That was great. If Bullet is anything like that I'll get it. I don't care what anyone says Dookie kicked American Idiot's ass.
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19. November 2005 @ 14:04 |
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the most I ever paid for GD tix was $350 for a PAIR, and that was for a sold-out show of only 800 people at this TINY little venue in hollywood, when they premiered their album last year. Well worth the price, as I was among the first people ever to hear their new album in its entirety. But most other GD tix are usually around $40 or $50.
About Dookie vs. AI, well thats a debate that could go on for ages. In my opinion, you can't really compare the two. Both are excellent albums, from beginning to end. But dookie is more adolecent type material, such as masterbation, drugs, and other stuff we did in our early years. But AI is a whole new, take on the world type album that talks about whats f'ed up with the world today. I am a huge GD fan, and have been for years. But I honestly could not tell you that one is better than the other. I love them both :)
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19. November 2005 @ 15:59 |
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I've only seen Green Day once. It was way back in 1998. lol They were awesome though!
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Brodie21
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2. May 2006 @ 14:03 |
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To keep the excellent audio that won't compress, I used dvd fab, then burned a dual layer with Nero recode 2. Didn't need to compress anything.
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2. May 2006 @ 14:10 |
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I don't think it was really an audio was it? Isn't it just an anti piracy false stream?
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Brodie21
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2. May 2006 @ 15:10 |
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It's the concert sound. it's much better than the 5.1. I only had the volume up to 6. With 5.1 the voulme is up around 14.
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3. May 2006 @ 10:34 |
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DVD rebuilder would've done the trick
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