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22. December 2005 @ 16:50 |
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I want to clear the air on this, because I need to know if this is true, and I know that 9mmruger1 is pretty knowedgable. If I have a 16x burner (i actually have a memorex 16x dl burner)and I burn the 8x media at 16x speed will that affect the outcome? If I burn with my burner at 8x on 8x media is that better? so on and so forth...
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budberner
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22. December 2005 @ 16:58 |
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Burn @ 4x,to slow can be just as bad as too fast. Not that it won't work but Best odds. Not that much more time. Happy Merry
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22. December 2005 @ 18:06 |
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i guarantee you that if your burner CAN "overburn" (ie. burn media faster than rated speed of said disc) an 8x rated media @ 16x, YOU WILL GET DISAPPOINTING results~ :)
i will NEVER recommend "overburning" media...NEVER NEVER NEVER!@!
there has been quite a debate as to the "best" speed to burn at here for some time now...i PERSONALLY burn ALL my Taiyo Yudens 8x rated @8x, and NOBODY is going to convince me otherwise, i get better results @8x...but, once again, that's just ME and MY setup :)
4x is STILL regarded as the "norm", and it's a good suggestion at that...whether it's the "best" speed, even I will argue that point...
good luck
docTY~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
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budberner
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22. December 2005 @ 18:31 |
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Would you say "best" odds with everyones combined setup?
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22. December 2005 @ 18:39 |
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yes, with everyone's combined setups in a big ole' pot, mix it around and get a "general" idea of what people are using...then i will agree with you that 4x would be the "most highly recommended" speed for burning~ :)
least chance of errors and all that good stuff
docTY~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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23. December 2005 @ 18:53 |
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If I have a 16x burner (i actually have a memorex 16x dl burner)and I burn the 8x media at 16x speed will that affect the outcome?
The main thing,how is your stand alone player/s going to react to those overburned backups?Try a few,and test them in all your stand alone players/game consoles and pc drives.
Media quality will be critical. Burning 8x sony yuden000-T02 at 16x is no trouble,wouldn't even consider trying it with some crappy cmag or similar MID coded media..Main thing is,my players can handle those 16x speed over burns. Get the quality media,it'll save you a lot of issues later on.
Try scanning your backups using a program like dvdinfopro/nero speed test. It'll tell you your errors on your backups and you can test how they scan with the different speed burns. I burn according to how they scan. 16x verbatims scan best at 8x and 12x. Sony +8x has better scans at 8x burn speed.This is on all 3 of my benqs.
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23. December 2005 @ 19:04 |
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All I've got to say is for those that want to burn at 16X, then go ahead, more power to you. However, the chances are you're more than likely to produce "coasters" and even if it's a successful burned now, but down the road it will eventually skips and or freeze.
I could live with 12 mins burning at 4X and rather value the quality and longevity of my backups instead of getting coasters.
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24. December 2005 @ 01:46 |
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Like saugmon says, do a couple and scan the results. This will show you just what burn quality results you are obtaining with your media and burner.
Different medias, as well as different burners will produce different results using different speeds.
As for overburning media, I won't do it.
I always recommend 4x as a starter for the folks who visit this forum asking about situations that they are experiencing or problems that they are having. This seems to help most individuals correct the majority of burn errors, that and target size.
Once you've become experienced and know the media that you are using, heck, burn it at the speed you desire and that gives you the results you want.
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budberner
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26. December 2005 @ 15:15 |
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Thanks Saugmon,9mmruger1,Kivory666 Burned and scanned to see and higher quality rating @8x Sony ty on my setup even with older firmware. Lite-on 832s 8x. I never would have thought.
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26. December 2005 @ 15:37 |
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sometimes it PAYS to "see for yourself" :)
i've always burned @8x on my TYs..that's just ME and nobody else...i've consistently gotten better quality scores w/ 8x than @4x...once again, that's only ME...
everyone is entitled to their OWN burn speed of choice and what works well for them, i've just noticed on my Liteon/Benq burners, that 8x seems to be what they like the best on Taiyo Yuden 8x rated media, in either format~ :)
docTY~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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27. December 2005 @ 04:07 |
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We got in to this argument in another thread, and i proved to myself that burning at 16x is error filled and crazy. (it cost me a very good verb in the process)
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/265933
In my case i found that burning at 8x produces the least amount of errors for me, but i still suggest burning at 4x for most ppl. The only argument for burning faster is speed. You will loose quality in speeding up the burn in most cases. In my case a 16x burn saved 1.5 minutes off an 8x burn, and a lot of errors happened in that minute and a half. I can wait for good quality. This even happens on higher end machines, so low cost machines will suffer more. Does the Turtle and the Hare race fable ring a bell?
Stick with the slower speeds, and your movie quality will be fine. Go faster, and expect more errors, that you may or may not be able to see. You could loose some discs in the process also. Is it worth it? Patience will be rewarded.
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27. December 2005 @ 04:45 |
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I've got scans of verb MCC-004 burned at 4x/8x/and 12x and the 8x kicked the dog crap out of the 4x.The 12x scan was just a hair less than the 8x scan,and still kicked the dog crap out of the 4x one.
I still yet have to burn one at 16x,but no problem with those yuden000-T02 +8x burning at 16x! I like to pow around a little when I get bored. 2 week vacation! for the holidays
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27. December 2005 @ 18:51 |
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:)
@saugmon
catfreak and i have somewhat compared "notes" on burning w/ the Benq 1640 that you have also...it's def. TRUE that 8x on 8x TYs produce a MUCH better score than 4x...but, this is burner specific..etc...
going at 16x...well, im hesitant about THAT speed too...while i HAVE done a few...the scores were pretty disappointing...probably comparable to the 4x or slower scores you got on your benq~ :)
4x is still the "recommended" speed and i agree with that, but it's just me and a few others that push that envelope to 8x on 8x/16x Taiyo Yudens or Verbatims, good quality rated discs~ :)
docTY~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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27. December 2005 @ 19:23 |
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DVD burners are bit for bit if your media and burner are rated for what speed you are burning at and the source isn't corrupted.
There is not a bit of (no pun intended) difference as long as you have quality stuff all rate dfor 16x, whether tyou brun at 4x or 16x.
The only reason you'd make a coaster burning at a higher speed is because you eitehr need to
1. firmware
2. get a new burner, yours is tryign to get in the coffin
3. you thought you got a good price but it's actually refurbished
4. your media is crap
5. your drive is crap
6. the disc was damaged and would read, form an iso, but too sratched to burn
That lower quality video from 16x.... it's in your head, I woudln't back up databases and code at 16x if a single bit was backwards. Guess what, neither would they drive be rated for 16x.
Fanboy is a term used to describe someone who is utterly devoted to a single subject. This generally is followed by the devotion and support even when proved wrong.
Anecdotal, by my definition, it's the way too many people here think. It's also all the evidence you have.
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27. December 2005 @ 19:29 |
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Hi guys,
I have done some testing on various dvd media and found out the followings:-
Fujifilm dvd media 8x-/+ manufacture by taiyo yuden overburned at x16 using benq 1620 with latest firmware no problems.
Maxell made in japan has the same result as above and so do verbratim x8-/+.
I guess it depends on individual dvd writer.
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28. December 2005 @ 05:32 |
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After using 6 pc dvd burners,I know how quality can vary between manufacturers of DVD-RW drives. Burner quality is critical for several reasons:
Re-rip backups for extra copies
Overburning media
On the fly rip and burning
But the biggest reason: Stand alone compatability!
Some drives just can't handle those those 4 things.All 6 of my drives will play their own backups,but my stand alone players tell me which ones are good,and which drives are junk.I then have to have a special recipe of set burn speed/certain format/or certain MID code of media.3 benqs took care of all those issues.On the fly/stand alone compatability/high speed burning/re-rip backups- No problems on the 4x and 8x burn speeds.
2.4x backups-big trouble/too many errors.
That's why I have 3 benqs,each sitting in a pc and a HP640c+Kyhpermedia +8x used as readers. I also got an EMPA I/O Magic 16x sitting in a box collecting dust! total pc of crap when those backups go into my stand alones. Even booktyped,the dash format totally kicked a** over it's booktyped dvd-rom backups!
Booktyping from a quality drive: They will totally kick the dog sh*t out of the plus and dash formats when it comes to stand alone compatability! Period!
But you can't get those results from a quality burner,unless you are using quality media to start with. 8x-12x burning on hitachi/yuden/ritek/mitsubishi 8x rated media-no problemo.
8x burning on cmag/aml/moser bauer/pro-disc: Not even worth risking 8x speed.More like 2.4x speed,and still may not work.
HP a1118x-b/athlon 64-3300+/BenQ 1650 BCDC/LG 8163B/Modded Wii/Epson-R300 and Ty Watershields!!!
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28. December 2005 @ 08:25 |
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I always just pricegrab the best most recent Sony drive, never fails to be the best.
Fanboy is a term used to describe someone who is utterly devoted to a single subject. This generally is followed by the devotion and support even when proved wrong.
Anecdotal, by my definition, it's the way too many people here think. It's also all the evidence you have.
Xbox 360 GT: NEGATIVE 273K
My advice: Wait for PS3.
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