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NEED MAJOR HELP WITH BURNING FULL UNCOMPRESSED DVD TO DVD + R DL DISC
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digit777
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9. January 2006 @ 20:02 |
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I have read through a couple of the forums but a clear and definitive answer is not given on how to copy a FULL UNCOMPRESSED DVD store bought DVD to a DVD +R DL disc. I have used the latest software and updates of anydvd, clone dvd2, and imgburn, but none of these progs. work completely. Yes, I now know how to create and burn a iso to a DL disc, but what I really want is a full DL disc REPLICA meaning all menus, audio, and extras burned over, NOT just the movie like imgburn does. With clone dvd2 I can burn to the DL disc, but I get my dvd player freezing up when the player tries to transition to the second layer of my DL discs. I need and appreciate all help. I do understand how to create and burn iso's to a DL disc, since many users always reply back with saying create and burn the iso using imgburn.
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9. January 2006 @ 20:13 |
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ImgBurn does not distinguish between a full disc or just the movie by itself. It burns an ISO image, that is it. You will have to make an ISO image of the entire disc before you burn it. Try using Decrypter's ISO read then ImgBurn's ISO write. You will get an exact copy of the original even the DVD cover picture folder that some DVDs have and since all the content is copied, there is no need to re-establish a new layer break.
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9. January 2006 @ 20:16 |
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If all you want is a 1:1 copy (DVD+R DL) backup, then simply do as the following:
<> open up DVD Decrypter
<> put your original dvd movie inside burner or dvd-rom
<> Mode, ISO, Read
<> set your source <===== where the original is located
<> set your destination <===== to your hard drive
<> click on Decrypt (now sit tight and wait until it's completed)
Once it's successfully ripped the ISO into your hard drive
<> put your DVD+R DL into burner (I recommend Verbatim DVD+R DL)
<> Mode, ISO, Write
<> set your source <====== choose the MDS file from your hard drive
<> set your destination <====== to your burner
<> click on WRITE (now relax until it's successfully completed)
That's it.... easy as sippin' on some Hennessey.
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digit777
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9. January 2006 @ 21:10 |
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First let me say thanx alkohol & wolfniggr for your replies. Let me please expand on my question as your help is much appreciated. I appreciate your further help as well as others. Thanx!!!
Regarding using DVD Decrypter for a 1:1 copy (DVD+R DL) backup, which version should I use of Decrypter that is the most stable and able to copy day after day including the new dvds to my DVD+R DL discs? I will say I'm very confused as some others on the net (claim) about using and reading up about DVD Decrypter being the old banned version that seemed to work well, and people saying to use the updated legal version of DVD Decrypter being DVDFab Decrypter 2.9.6.6 (12/28/2005) from DVDIdle. Also, others say that ImgBurn is even the newest version, but as stated and tested doesn't do a complete and full 1:1 copy (DVD+R DL) backup. So if you could please put in perspective and clear up the confusing web of opinions for me. If DVD Decrypter is still the best to use as mentioned could you please provide me with the latest revision number and direction as to where I may download it from another site? Will DVD Decrypter work for some time or will some of the newest released DVDs render that sofware unusuable as well?
Also regarding DVD Decrypter here is a question that is rattling my brain. Do I have to worry about any type of protetion on the DVDs I'm going to copy, copy protection based on unreadable sectors, and the other sneaky hidden tricks lurking within newer purchased DVDs, since I'm currently running AnyDVD 5.8.1.1 on my desktop in the background? Does AnyDVD help to facilitate in removing all those forms of protections in the background for other software as well like DVD Decrypter so I can seemlessly use DVD Decrypter? OR am I almost locked to only solely use Slysofts software like AnyDVD running in the background then have to use CLONEDVD2 to take advantage of the USE and REMOVE protection from the dvd media from AnyDVD 5.8.1.1?
Once again I appreciate your help, and look forward to reading and having it become more clear having the answers come back from the pros.
Thanx and much appreciated!!!
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9. January 2006 @ 21:36 |
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@digit
dvd decrypter version 3.5.4.0 is what I personally use for my DL burns...
this version has been removed from afterdawn as well as MANY other sites on the web, but can be found here:
http://www.mrbass.org/dvdrip/
or more specifically, here :
http://www.mrbass.org/dvdrip/SetupDVDDecrypter_3.5.4.0.exe
i have tried out a FEW burns using IMGBURN, same creator as DVD Decrypter, Lightning UK...but, i PERSONALLY do not feel it's any "better" than the 3.5.4.0 DVD Decrypter i linked you above...
there was a huge list of improvements included in the changelog for imgburn, but i pretty much got the SAME results using EITHER DVD Decrypter OR imgburn~ :)
also, mind you, imgburn is ONLY a burning app..to supposedly "take on where DVD Decrypter left off"...you can clearly see this as in the options only the "WRITE" is available, whereas in dvd decrypter; you can READ & WRITE the iso's...
lastly, since ur using AnyDVD in the background, you need not worry about the newer encryptions on these NEWER dvds...AnyDVD will take care of that on it's own...let AnyDVD deal with the encryptions and proceed as stated by the others using ISO READ---ISO WRITE using dvd decrypter~ :)
p.s. dvdfabdecrypter is NOT created by the same creator behind DVD Decrypter...
as for the burning portion of the program, IMGBURN was made by the creator of DVD Decrypter to pick up where DVD Decrypter left off...dvdfabdecrypter is a separate ripping program ALL TOGETHER by Fengtao Software, has NOTHING to do with Lightning UK's original DVD Decrypter and imgburn programs~
hope that clears things up for ya~
docTY~
oh, before i forget, you DO NOT have to use slysoft's clonedvd2 in order for AnyDVD to work, i really like the program myself; but it is NOT necessary if you choose to rip/burn with other programs you already have~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
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9. January 2006 @ 22:02 |
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¨ Hey Alkohol,
¨ Check this out to backup any of the ARccOS, Puppet lock, RipGuard or whatever Discs? No need for AnyDVD, DVD43, VobBlanker or nothin?
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¨ open up DVD Decrypter
<> put your original dvd movie inside burner or dvd-rom
<> Mode, ISO, Read
<> set your source <===== where the original is located
<> set your destination <===== to your hard drive
<> click on Decrypt (now sit tight and wait until it's completed)
Once it's successfully ripped the ISO into your hard drive
¨ open DVDShrink
¨ <> goto File -> Open Disc Image and open the ISO file just ripped
¨ <> do the Shrink thing either Full Disc or Re-author, your choice
¨ <> hit Backup and tell Shrink to Burn with Decripter
¨ <> place a blank disc in your drive, set the burn speed and hit the burn button
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¨ When finished burning, remove the newly copied disc and you got it!
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Easy as Tipping a sleeping cow. I?m a country boy LOL
Let me know what you think?. If it works for you then I?ll tell you why it works?.. If it don?t work then I?ll keep my mouth closed LOL.
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9. January 2006 @ 22:34 |
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@digit777
Looks like my buddy Doc. has sorted it all out for you already. However, I just want to add a few more info only.
<> DVD Decrypter 3.5.4.0 is both a ripper/decryper and burning program (free - it will read/rip/decrypt nearly 95% - 99% of new release movies still).
<> DVDFAB Decrypter is only a ripper/decrypter program (free - it will not write, however, it does updates regularly).
@2oldGeek
Yes, buddy... I know that DVD Decrypter is still the King of Ripper (for advanced users, regardless of what Mode). And yes, I've used the ISO Mode before and it's 95% succes and 5% failed. In addition, I've mostly used DVD Decrypter to rip via Mode, File F "simply because I want to blank out other sh!t from the movie using VobBlanker", but would like to have a full disc.
As you can see that most of my "mini guides" I've posted here or at the DVD Shrink forum for backing up RipGuard or ARccOS, I clearly stated that either to use DVD Decrypter via File Mode or DVDFAB Decrypter to rip (depends on what movies). Furthermore, you're probably noticed that all of my "mini guides" doesn't required the help from AnyDVD or DVD43. I know these 2 cracking engines are great, but seriously I haven't had any movies that I "must" needed to crack the encrypted bad sectors or cells with them (AnyDVD or DVD43).
The reason I hardly use ISO Mode is because (a) I primarily do all my transcoding/encoding with Nero Recode 2. (b) I believe Nero Recode 2 produced better quality in results. (c) DVD Shrink is a lil bit slow and it's quality is slightly behind Nero Recode 2 (in my opinion - this can be argue).
To answer your question, I may be wrong, but I'm guessing since DVD Decrypter only rip the ISO image (when using Mode, ISO, Read), whereas most of the encrypted fake/bad cells/sectors is/are not an ISO image? Therefore, it is likely to have a success ripping using the ISO.
I'm here to learn and help out, so please feel free to "educate" me anytime, alright. Cheers buddy.
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9. January 2006 @ 22:45 |
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Actually, when ripping in the ISO Mode it?s copying bit for bit, Byte for Byte and not examining the files for any missing sectors or whatever.. That way it don?t know that someone has removed the information that tells the copy software where the file is and how big it is, so forth?
We used to do this back in the early 80?s with 5 ¼ floppy discs.. It didn?t keep anyone from copying discs then and it doesn?t keep them from it today?. LOL
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9. January 2006 @ 22:55 |
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@2oldGeek
This thread is getting good.
I guess you're really a geek afterall, hehehe, LOL :) cheers buddy. I thought I knew everything in regards to DVD Decrypter. Could you post a screen shot or at least the settings you have in DVD Decrypter by chance? As you may have already noticed that I like freeware and will try anything to bypass ARccOS or RipGuard without AnyDVD or DVD43. So would you do that by chance?
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9. January 2006 @ 23:07 |
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Alcohol, to clear your thinking an ISO file just means it?s the whole dam thing without breaking it into smaller files that a player can read..
Therefore, you cannot rip an ISO file in the FAT32 file mode, it has to be NTFS because it?s looking at the whole disc, over 8GB, as one file.
I don?t know if you can open an ISO file in re-code but you probably can. Anyway that is why I like Shrink better. I feel that I have more control of the situation.. I feel like being able to set more AEC with Shrink I can get better quality ?Visually Enhanced? copies than with Re-Code?
Just My Humble Opinion IMHO???
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9. January 2006 @ 23:19 |
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Hey I didn?t get back in time I missed your last post before I sent the one for the former? LOL
Yes I?ll send you some settings and a few kinks that I have worked out..
I have been a programmer since 1965 and there?s nothing that goes around that hasn?t been around?
I?m Old now and I always use the KISS formula for doing things. That is, ?Keep It Simple Stupid!!!!?
I love computers and I want to be buried with one? My wife says she?ll kick the S__T out of me and bury me in a match box? LOL
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9. January 2006 @ 23:24 |
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@2oldGeek
You never answered my question about the settings inside DVD Decrypter?
Yeah, I know that DVD Decrypter doesn't support FAT32. By the way, both of my hard drives are NTFS.
Hmmmm... this is interesting indeed. I, on the other hand, feel that I have more control in Nero Recode 2 when ripping in File Mode via DVD Decrypter.
How would you compare Nero Recode 2 with "Advanced Analysis" and "High Quality Mode" to DVD Shrink's (Deep Analysis + AEC)? I personally, think that Recode 2 slightly produced a little better than DVD Shrink. However, that's just my perspective and this can be arguable.
:)Cheers buddy
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magnuspat
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10. January 2006 @ 00:09 |
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hi all,
i'm trying to copy a double layer korean dvd using DVD Decrypter 3.5.4.0 and any dvd. i copied the dvd to hdd as an .iso file and when i try to write to a blank dl DVD+R, i get the following error message:
I/O Error!
Device: [0:0:0] MATSHITA UJ-832D 1.02 (F:) (ATA)
ScsiStatus: 0x02
Interpretation: Check Condition
CDB: BF 00 00 00 00 00 00 20 00 0C 00 00
Interpretation: Send DVD Structure - DVD+R DL Boundary
Information
Sense Area: 70 00 03 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 03 00 10 00 00 00 00 00
Interpretation: ID CRC or ECC Error
Here's a copy of the log:
I 01:56:10 Source File Application Identifier: GEAR UDF Application
I 01:56:10 Source File Implementation Identifier: GEAR UDF
I 01:56:10 Destination Device: [0:0:0] MATSHITA UJ-832D 1.02 (F:) (ATA)
I 01:56:10 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: RITEK-D01-01) (Speeds: 2.4x)
I 01:56:10 Destination Media Sectors: 4,173,824
I 01:56:10 Write Mode: DVD
I 01:56:10 Write Type: SAO
I 01:56:10 Write Speed: MAX
I 01:56:10 Link Size: Auto
I 01:56:10 Test Mode: No
I 01:56:10 BURN-Proof: Enabled
I 01:56:10 Optimal L0 Data Zone Capacity: 2,006,032
I 01:56:10 Optimal L0 Data Zone Method: Copied From Original Disc
I 02:04:52 Filling Buffer...
I 02:04:52 Writing LeadIn...
W 02:04:52 Failed to Write Sectors 0 - 31 - Power Calibration Area Error
W 02:04:52 Retrying (1 of 1)...
W 02:04:52 Retry Failed - Power Calibration Area Error
W 02:04:52 Retry Failed! - Power Calibration Area Error
E 02:04:54 Failed to Write Sectors 0 - 31 - Power Calibration Area Error
I 02:04:54 Synchronising Cache...
I 02:04:54 Closing Track...
I 02:04:54 Finalising Disc...
E 02:04:54 Failed to Write Image!
E 02:04:54 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:08:43
I 02:04:54 Average Write Rate: N/A - Maximum Write Rate: N/A
Also when I was reading the DVD, I got the following message:
W 02:06:20 Possible Structure Protection Found!
W 02:06:20 1 area has been marked as 'suspect'.
W 02:06:20 Dummy sectors will be inserted where necessary.
What does this mean? Please help as I have wasted a few discs trying various ways to copy it. I know it's probably something really simple, but I'm a newbie. I've tried reading through this forum and others but I can't seem to find an answer.
Thanks!
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10. January 2006 @ 01:23 |
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Quote:
I/O Error!
I 0 ID CRC or ECC Error
1:56:10 Write Speed: MAX
Your getting I/O errors ? Bad disc?..
Also, don?t try to burn faster than 2.4x
Clean the disc with glass cleaner or alcohol, even if it don?t look dirty..
Check for scratches, maybe use some toothpaste to polish out. Clean again.
Try reading from another drive if you have one. That works sometimes.
Set up DVDDecrypter for an aggressive read Mode.
In DVDDecrypter go to: Tools -> Settings ->
Try these settings for
General Tab
Options ? Removal Method ? Aggressive
File Mode Tab
Options ? Remove PUOs (IFO and VOB)
ISO Read Mode Tab
Options ? Remove PUOs (IFO and VOB)
CSS Tab
CSS Cracking Method
Brute Force -> I/O Key Exchange
On Failure ? Yes
I/O Tab
Options ? Ignore read errors
Try, Try
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10. January 2006 @ 01:37 |
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@2oldGeek
Hehehe... those are just exactly like mine settings (I have those settings within my backup guide "To Backup a DVD with DVD Decrypter, Nero Recode 2, Nero Burning Rom by Alkohol http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/256436 ", since the first day I installed DVD Decrypter.
Oh well, I thought you have yours set to some sort of a a little different, and I just want to know what's your trick only. Thanks anyways, buddy. :) :) cheers now.
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10. January 2006 @ 01:55 |
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That?s it bud, nothing supernatural just common sense.
The only difference tween u and me is that I don?t make Guides, LOL
I keep it simple and never have a problem with Stupid Copyright Protection?.
I have learned to overcome! Been down a lot of roads and some of them were rocky!
Read my Signature??..
Have a Happy.
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10. January 2006 @ 02:36 |
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magnuspat
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10. January 2006 @ 05:10 |
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thanks everyone, victory is mine! God bless the people on this wonderful forum!
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digit777
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10. January 2006 @ 12:03 |
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I just wanted to thank all the members that replied back to my original post. I wanted to clear up the confusion, and I appreciate it. I'm glad that others were able to gain some more detailed info. from the post. Thanx for the detailed info. kivory666, alkohol, wolfniggr, 2oldGeek. I look forward to sharing the info. and churning out some 1:1 copy (DVD+R DL) backups from the originals. If any other problems I will post. Thanx all!!!
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10. January 2006 @ 14:56 |
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You're welcome and keep us posted.
Happy burning your DL backups!!
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10. January 2006 @ 15:32 |
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magnuspat, digit777, Your welcome and at anytime there are a lot of knowledgeable members here to help out with just about any situation. Guess you might say it?s a ?Digital Think Tank? LOL
Happy Burning??????.
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digit777
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10. January 2006 @ 17:25 |
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Very true, I appreciate the warm welcome from the true day to day pros. As I have learned some of the other forums on other sites act as a online qvc trying to push products, rather than joining together as a digital force and complete projects with the real front line soldiers. Keep rocking and I have two more threads to post in the next couple of minutes to clear some further ?'s up. Thanx again!!!
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