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Are these dvd brands reliable?
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ellegrand
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28. January 2006 @ 07:40 |
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Yes, I know there are a lot of posts about good or bad dvd media here...Uff! I´ve read a lot.
But I want you to give your opinion about these dvd media brands:
LG, Samsung, Melody.
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28. January 2006 @ 20:00 |
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I'm going to say they are not good. I've never heard of two of them and Samsung is considered 3rd class: http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm
Have you ran dvdidentifier on them to see who the manufactuer code is?
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ellegrand
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29. January 2006 @ 08:59 |
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Thanks for your reply.
Here we have the dvdidentifier results for "samsung pleomax DVD+R 8X":
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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:OPTODISC-OR8-000]
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Disc & Book Type : [DVD+R] - [DVD+R]
Manufacturer Name : [Optodisc Technology Corp.]
Manufacturer ID : [OPTODISC]
Media Type ID : [OR8]
Product Revision : [Not Specified]
Blank Disc Capacity : [Not Supported By Method 2]
Recording Speeds : [1x-2.4x , 4x , 6x-8x]
[Method 2 Might Not Always Detect All Speeds]
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** INFO : Drive = HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4165B [FW DL03]
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD+R DVD+R-DL DVD+RW
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD-R DVD-R-DL DVD-RW DVD-RAM
** INFO : Disc = [DVD+R:OPTODISC-OR8-000]
** INFO : Reference Speed : 1x DVD = 1385 kBps
** INFO : An Writeable Disc Is Recommended For Accurate Results
** INFO : Write Speeds (Supported By This Drive On This Disc) Listed Below
** INFO : GET PERFORMANCE Write Speed Descriptor(s)
Descriptor #1 = 11080 kBps ( 8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 5540 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
** INFO : MODE SENSE Write Speed Descriptor(s) [Legacy Command]
** WARNING : MODE SENSE Is Obsolete And Not Always Properly Supported
Descriptor #1 = 11080 kBps ( 8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 5540 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
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** WARNING : Format 11h (Method 1) Is Recommended ADIP Retrieval Method
** WARNING : Format 00h (Method 2) Data Might Contain Drive Modified Values
** INFO : Hex Dump Of 'Media Code'-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding 'Media Code'-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 00h (Method 2) - Physical Information (Copy Of ADIP)
0000 : a1 0f 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3f 00 00 00 00 .........&.?....
0010 : 00 00 03 4f 50 54 4f 44 49 53 43 4f 52 38 00 38 ...OPTODISCOR8.8
0020 : 23 54 37 09 02 64 6a 02 c8 63 18 18 0a 0a 0e 0e #T7..dj..c......
0030 : 01 1b 1d 0b 0b 11 13 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0040 : 01 00 38 38 02 2c 63 20 08 30 22 10 00 20 20 01 ..88.,c .0".. .
0050 : 00 00 02 2c 63 20 08 30 22 10 00 20 20 01 00 00 ...,c .0".. ...
0060 : 02 00 54 70 02 2f 64 48 20 14 0c 0c 01 20 00 00 ..Tp./dH .... ..
0070 : 00 00 02 43 61 55 20 14 0c 0c 01 20 00 00 00 32 ...CaU .... ...2
0080 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0090 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00a0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00b0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00c0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00d0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00e0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00f0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........
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[ DVD Identifier V4.2.0 - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]
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29. January 2006 @ 11:21 |
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@ellegrand
Those Samgsung are made by Optodisc - not one of the better ones. May work - may not - make sure your firmware is up to date - the last one is
DL04. Here's a link:
http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_firmware.php?download_id=2124.
I would also keep the burn speed to 4x or lower on these.
Can you id the other 2 also and post the results or at least the manfucturer id? Melody can be made by some awful manufacturers like CMC & Princo. LG also uses CMC but also can be made by Ritek which is good.
For the quality stuff look for made in Japan Fuji or Sony's or verbatim in store. If in the US http://supermediastore.com for the best - Taiyo Yuden.
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29. January 2006 @ 11:23 |
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ellegrand - the manufactuer id is OPTODISC which is considered the lowest grade: http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm
I'm not sure where you live, but if you live in the states, you can easily find TY's (under other brand names) or Verbatim's for $14.99 a 50 pack. Those two are top of the line media.
Now don't get me wrong. You can probably get those optodisc to burn, and you could probably get some to play. However the key to remember is longevity. If you want to be able to watch it 2 years from now, those optodisc will freeze, skip, etc. if they even play at all.
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ellegrand
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30. January 2006 @ 06:06 |
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Hello, Thanks for your help, beltline,binkie7.
This is for LG:
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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD-R:INFODISC-R01]
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Disc & Book Type : [DVD-R] - [DVD-R]
Manufacturer Name : [Infodisc Technology Co. Ltd.]
Manufacturer ID : [INFODISC-R01]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,298,496 Sectors = 4.71 GB (4.38 GiB)]
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** INFO : Drive = HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4165B [FW DL03]
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD+R DVD+R-DL DVD+RW
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD-R DVD-R-DL DVD-RW DVD-RAM
** INFO : Disc = [DVD-R:INFODISC-R01]
** INFO : Reference Speed : 1x DVD = 1385 kBps
** INFO : An Writeable Disc Is Recommended For Accurate Results
** INFO : Write Speeds (Supported By This Drive On This Disc) Listed Below
** INFO : GET PERFORMANCE Write Speed Descriptor(s)
Descriptor #1 = 5540 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 2770 kBps ( 2.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
** INFO : MODE SENSE Write Speed Descriptor(s) [Legacy Command]
** WARNING : MODE SENSE Is Obsolete And Not Always Properly Supported
Descriptor #1 = 5540 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 2770 kBps ( 2.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
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** INFO : Hex Dump Of 'Media Code'-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding 'Media Code'-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 0Eh - Pre-Recorded Information In Lead-In
0000 : 01 40 c1 fd 9e d8 52 00 02 ea 0b 14 76 78 80 00 .@....R.....vx..
0010 : 03 49 4e 46 4f 44 49 00 04 53 43 2d 52 30 31 00 .INFODI..SC-R01.
0020 : 05 88 80 00 00 00 01
00 06 0b 10 11 87 78 80 00 .............x..
0030 : 07 88 80 00 00 00 00 00 08 06 17 0d 10 0a 0b 00 ................
0040 : 09 98 08 0f 0b 00 00 00 0a 00 00 00 00 00 10 00 ................
0050 : 0b 06 1c 13 a8 88 65 00 0c 98 9a 88 80 00 00 00 ......e.........
0060 : 0d 00 00 d0 00 00 00 00 ........
** INFO : Hex Dump Of 'Control Data Zone'-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding 'CDZ'-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 10h - Physical Format Information Of Control Data Zone
0000 : 25 0f 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 25 e2 4f 00 00 00 00 %........%.O....
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And this for Melody:
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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD-R:NANYA-JC001 ]
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Disc & Book Type : [DVD-R] - [DVD-R]
Manufacturer Name : [NanYa Plastics Corp.]
Manufacturer ID : [NANYA-JC001 ]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,298,496 Sectors = 4.71 GB (4.38 GiB)]
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** INFO : Drive = HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4165B [FW DL03]
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD+R DVD+R-DL DVD+RW
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD-R DVD-R-DL DVD-RW DVD-RAM
** INFO : Disc = [DVD-R:NANYA-JC001 ]
** INFO : Reference Speed : 1x DVD = 1385 kBps
** INFO : An Writeable Disc Is Recommended For Accurate Results
** INFO : Write Speeds (Supported By This Drive On This Disc) Listed Below
** INFO : GET PERFORMANCE Write Speed Descriptor(s)
Descriptor #1 = 5540 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 2770 kBps ( 2.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
** INFO : MODE SENSE Write Speed Descriptor(s) [Legacy Command]
** WARNING : MODE SENSE Is Obsolete And Not Always Properly Supported
Descriptor #1 = 5540 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 2770 kBps ( 2.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
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** INFO : Hex Dump Of 'Media Code'-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding 'Media Code'-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 0Eh - Pre-Recorded Information In Lead-In
0000 : 01 40 c1 fd 9e d8 52 00 02 f7 0e 0b 77 88 70 00 .@....R.....w.p.
0010 : 03 4e 41 4e 59 41 2d 00 04 4a 43 30 30 31 20 00 .NANYA-..JC001 .
0020 : 05 aa a2 22 22 20 01 00 06 0b 0f 12 66 66 80 00 ..."" ......ff..
0030 : 07 88 80 00 00 00 00 00 08 01 1b 0b 0f 08 08 00 ................
0040 : 09 55 09 10 0b 90 88 00 0a 80 88 80 88 80 10 00 .U..............
0050 : 0b 06 1c 13 a8 88 65 00 0c 98 9a 88 80 00 00 00 ......e.........
0060 : 0d 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........
** INFO : Hex Dump Of 'Control Data Zone'-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding 'CDZ'-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 10h - Physical Format Information Of Control Data Zone
0000 : 25 0f 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 25 ac df 00 00 00 00 %........%......
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[ DVD Identifier V4.2.0 - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]
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I couldn´t download the firmware , there is something wrong with that page, at this time.
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30. January 2006 @ 09:04 |
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For the LG's their INFODISC, a little better than the other two you are using, but I still wouldn't recommend it for long time storage. Still have never heard of the Melody brand or manufactuer. With everything you have shown you should get the best results with the LG, but I wouldn't recommend any of them. Especially for long term use. They will begin skipping, freezing, etc. within 2 years. I have some that are 18 months old that were great when I first burned them and now skip and freeze. The higher end media has seemed to be holding up a lot better. I have a MCC (Verbatim) that still scans at a 94 and is 16 months old.
Here's what I recommend: Try to find Verbatim's or TY's at a reasonable price and use your media you currently have for short term storage.
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30. January 2006 @ 09:40 |
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i do agree on the verbs and ty's.
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ellegrand
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30. January 2006 @ 10:12 |
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Thank you very much.
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30. January 2006 @ 15:42 |
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From those id's i'm with beltline. None of the manufacturers are any good. Burn at 4x or lower if you do use these. I won't be suprised if you get burn errors with these.
If you in the us here's a good site to buy genuine taiyo yuden and verbatim:
http://supermediastore.com
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30. January 2006 @ 18:01 |
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i believe i posted a long time ago about each of those 3 brands, too lazy to look it up myself, but both beltline and binkie summed it up quite nicely :)
in terms of which "class" they are in...eh, digitalfaq is FAIRLY accurate this time around...but, as i've mentioned many times...use digitalfaq as ONLY A GUIDE, they are NOT the authority on media...
all 3 of the aforementioned medias that you have use POOR quality manufacturers, you could DEFINITELY do a lot better for little or no price increase per disc...
check my sig. for detailed suggestions~
docTY~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
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