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Man faces maximum of 210 years for P2P child porn trading
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article published on 16 September, 2007
A 44 year old man from Dundalk, Maryland, is facing 11 charges for child pornography offenses, five counts of receipt of child pornography, five counts of transportation of child pornography, and one count of possession of child pornography. He got caught in an FBI investigation that targeted sharers of child porn on P2P networks. Project Safe Childhood was created by Attorney General Alberto ... [ read the full article ]
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28. October 2007 @ 11:13 |
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What a sick son of a B. Even if the looker is not directly involved in the harm of pictured children, or the taking of the pictures, or the sexual act with minors/children, isn't what they're doing bad enough? Those kind of people habitually look at pictures of children engaged in sexual acts and with any addiction it only gets worse. By looking at and distributing those photos he's one part of the furtherment of the child pornography world and should be dealth with accordingly.
I suppose we could argue the semantics of the situation, how guilty he really is or what due punishment should include. All details. He's a sick man and therefore should be removed from society if for no other reason than to stop him from distributing this kind of perverse material to others.
Personally i feel that this kind of gross addicition is hard if not impossible to overcome fully. I know if he went through years of therapy and corrective measures to deal with his sick addiction and was given the "Cured" status by a panel of renowned and qualified therapists and powers that be, i still wouldn't let the bastard near a playground.
I'd vote for execution because i pay taxes and don't let the idea of any decent, hardworking american paying to feed this guys three squares a day and give him cable t.v. My wife doesn't have even cable.
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28. October 2007 @ 12:03 |
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i stand by what i said.most of you are under 30 and have time to be idealistic.amptjer 10 years an pragmatic will be the norm.i knew better than my parents until i got a lot older.hold on to yours because its gone all too soon.
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28. October 2007 @ 20:07 |
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Originally posted by 7thsinger:
What a sick son of a B. Even if the looker is not directly involved in the harm of pictured children, or the taking of the pictures, or the sexual act with minors/children, isn't what they're doing bad enough? Those kind of people habitually look at pictures of children engaged in sexual acts and with any addiction it only gets worse. By looking at and distributing those photos he's one part of the furtherment of the child pornography world and should be dealth with accordingly.
I suppose we could argue the semantics of the situation, how guilty he really is or what due punishment should include. All details. He's a sick man and therefore should be removed from society if for no other reason than to stop him from distributing this kind of perverse material to others.
Personally i feel that this kind of gross addicition is hard if not impossible to overcome fully. I know if he went through years of therapy and corrective measures to deal with his sick addiction and was given the "Cured" status by a panel of renowned and qualified therapists and powers that be, i still wouldn't let the bastard near a playground.
I'd vote for execution because i pay taxes and don't let the idea of any decent, hardworking american paying to feed this guys three squares a day and give him cable t.v. My wife doesn't have even cable.
than all sexual addiction gets worse and everyone because rapists...no its just not the case, its like blaming media for stupid people since they copied a show or game, sorry its pseudo logic, there are more factors than "ZOMG sick sick eww", you it seems you are to caught up in being blinded by the "protect the childern destroy the world spew" than wanting to truly protect them.
oh and news flash capital punishment dosent work we have it and yet still have crime, altho one thing I am sure we can agree on rapists of all types need a bullet and not a cell.
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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28. October 2007 @ 20:16 |
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Originally posted by 7thsinger:
What a sick son of a B. Even if the looker is not directly involved in the harm of pictured children, or the taking of the pictures, or the sexual act with minors/children, isn't what they're doing bad enough? Those kind of people habitually look at pictures of children engaged in sexual acts and with any addiction it only gets worse. By looking at and distributing those photos he's one part of the furtherment of the child pornography world and should be dealth with accordingly.
I suppose we could argue the semantics of the situation, how guilty he really is or what due punishment should include. All details. He's a sick man and therefore should be removed from society if for no other reason than to stop him from distributing this kind of perverse material to others.
Personally i feel that this kind of gross addicition is hard if not impossible to overcome fully. I know if he went through years of therapy and corrective measures to deal with his sick addiction and was given the "Cured" status by a panel of renowned and qualified therapists and powers that be, i still wouldn't let the bastard near a playground.
I'd vote for execution because i pay taxes and don't let the idea of any decent, hardworking american paying to feed this guys three squares a day and give him cable t.v. My wife doesn't have even cable.
you cant vote for execution, the supreme court says its only for murder charges, so you will have to come up with another solution to the problem. Also, Its only 30 month for prison funding versus 500 a month for social security checks, so if you want to save some money then execute grandma.
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28. October 2007 @ 20:19 |
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Zippy, although I often find your posts good reads, I must say your fascination with the media etc. has nothing to do with this in any way. This guy is perverse...fascinating about children is not something popular media condonesat at all, in any way. This guy is not a sex crazy nympho, rather a sick human being that needs some serious psychological help.
And I agree with 7thsinger, I sure as hell do not want my taxes being spent on this guy...
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28. October 2007 @ 20:52 |
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Originally posted by 7thsinger:
What a sick son of a B. Even if the looker is not directly involved in the harm of pictured children, or the taking of the pictures, or the sexual act with minors/children, isn't what they're doing bad enough? Those kind of people habitually look at pictures of children engaged in sexual acts and with any addiction it only gets worse. By looking at and distributing those photos he's one part of the furtherment of the child pornography world and should be dealth with accordingly.
I suppose we could argue the semantics of the situation, how guilty he really is or what due punishment should include. All details. He's a sick man and therefore should be removed from society if for no other reason than to stop him from distributing this kind of perverse material to others.
Personally i feel that this kind of gross addicition is hard if not impossible to overcome fully. I know if he went through years of therapy and corrective measures to deal with his sick addiction and was given the "Cured" status by a panel of renowned and qualified therapists and powers that be, i still wouldn't let the bastard near a playground.
I'd vote for execution because i pay taxes and don't let the idea of any decent, hardworking american paying to feed this guys three squares a day and give him cable t.v. My wife doesn't have even cable.
you cant vote for execution, the supreme court says its only for murder charges, so you will have to come up with another solution to the problem. Also, Its only 30 month for prison funding versus 500 a month for social security checks, so if you want to save some money then execute grandma.
ouch nicely put!
but really how dose a adult defend freedom and life and be just you can not take life needlessly if you do the way our system is now you will damn innocent life anyway, ramp up castration on the rapists and gt more workers parole or otherwise to help guide repeat offenders, why dose it seem to be rapists are giving a better chance to return to society than the rest?
There will always be outcasts in society but cant we try harder to not send them away forever but to get them out of the slums and get them into jobs and some form of a normal life or is this just Utopian nonsense?
svtstang
true the the "media age" analogy to this is bad, a better one is someone that downlaods music and movies for free off the net, both are a crime both do 2ndary harm if any.
However the main diffrance here one is a crime that if caught you should be on a intimite basis with the law, heres the thing we catch release them and watch them if rule 1,2 or 3(1.harming kids,2.taking pictures of them 3.selling them) then they need to go away for awhile but just having the pics is not enough to send someone away on.
the US is totally fcked by kids as they are used as a fulcrum by which teh nanny nazis damn the world, should they be protected, in protecting them should logic be raped with a dead horse....no
My point is still the charges are to harsh for just having pics, fck I have ran across them(last time I troll news groups for game images/hentai *shudders*) so I must be guilty too becuse I have them right right?
fcking mofos weres the goddamn casualty!
(paraphrasing using the F bomb,do not be afraid of it its PG13 friendly now adays LOL)
Basically this leads to all kinds of of trumped up charges being filed its alot like being tied into terrorism when you are just a petty criminal, through this they can look for CP/IP stuff find it and claim 3 or 5 pics in a cache makes you a child predator, and its thats not vuage enough what about all the free porn clips roaming around if its looks younger than 18 they are good to go toss you away.
casualty and reason, casualty and reason, casualty and reason, its never a good thing to to toss these out for moral whims.
In final
Pics:fines confiscation,minor jail time all good.
Selling pics:fines confiscation hevy jail time and more if part of a ring.
Harming kids:automatic "black mark" I really wish we could just remove them from creation, the trouble is if we start to easily take any life innocents will start being harmed by proxy.
A real balance in things protects as much life as possible while dispensing as much justice as needed.
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29. October 2007 @ 07:31 |
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I cant beleive there is people in here defending the peadophile,he deserves the time he got.
He downloaded disgusting acts of molestation on children he was contributing to the problem of chid pornography.
If you download it you are as guilty as the one who took and put the image on the net.
This horendous crime needs to be stopped and isps can do a lot more than they are doing.
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29. October 2007 @ 08:51 |
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM
than all sexual addiction gets worse and everyone because rapists...no its just not the case, its like blaming media for stupid people since they copied a show or game, sorry its pseudo logic, there are more factors than "ZOMG sick sick eww", you it seems you are to caught up in being blinded by the "protect the childern destroy the world spew" than wanting to truly protect them.
oh and news flash capital punishment dosent work we have it and yet still have crime, altho one thing I am sure we can agree on rapists of all types need a bullet and not a cell.[/quote:
No, not all sexual addiction leads to violent acts of sexual abuse. But, having a picture or two on your pc of a child engaged in a sexual act is wrong. Having a slew of them and distributing them is even further past that line. Addicts like to cross lines, that's the rabid part off addiction. Am i saying treat him like he's actually mistreated a child? No, because at this point he hasn't. But don't lay off 'em either he was circulating pictures of children.
Originally posted by LeoH30
you cant vote for execution, the supreme court says its only for murder charges, so you will have to come up with another solution to the problem. Also, Its only 30 month for prison funding versus 500 a month for social security checks, so if you want to save some money then execute grandma. [/quote:
@LeoH30
My grandma is/was a productive member of society. Not a child porn distribution center. Big difference there.
Also, it's not about saving money. I don't mind spending money for a good cause. Making sure some criminal has three meals a day, a personal gym, access to free schooling, cable, and free health care however is not how i'd spend the money i work so hard to make. You dig?
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the level of damage done here dose not equate to life, I hope the feds find a random pic and toss you in jail because of it because thats how things are now.
Also I am not saying he should not get time or fines for this he should but not at 40X what the max should be.
your fuvor to protect blinds to the real issues.
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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29. October 2007 @ 16:28 |
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I hope the feds find a random pic and toss you in jail because of it because thats how things are now.
Now that isn't very nice Zippy! We all are entitled to our opinions as are you.
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29. October 2007 @ 16:52 |
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Originally posted by svtstang:
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I hope the feds find a random pic and toss you in jail because of it because thats how things are now.
Now that isn't very nice Zippy! We all are entitled to our opinions as are you.
Group hug :)
Ah but the way things are setup it can happen , this is why zero tolerance dose not need to be used for anything.
as for the time served 10 to 1 he gets less than 6 years because theres no room for him in jail and his offense was about harming pictures, the reality of things are you cant send away soemone for life just because, you need reason, this lacks it, what should be is a fine of 2$ a pic, find of 2 days a pic thats a few months served + community service and or a parole officer there dues paid,please come again, this is how it should be for all minor crimes.
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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30. October 2007 @ 06:07 |
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
7thsinger/marcusita
the level of damage done here dose not equate to life, I hope the feds find a random pic and toss you in jail because of it because thats how things are now.
Also I am not saying he should not get time or fines for this he should but not at 40X what the max should be.
your fuvor to protect blinds to the real issues.
People who intentionaly download child pornography should get no less than 10 years in jail in my opinion.
Also internet providers need to do more to insure that child pornography dosnt get on to the internet.
If a picture of a child in horrifing acts is downloaded by accident,fair enough get rid of it and be more carefull what you download in the future.
I am a father and i can say this scumbag who may be getting 210 years in jail DESERVES at least 10 with ongoing help afterwards.
It wasnt one or two pictures downloaded by accident it was a few hundred and he was trading them making him as big a peadophile as the b******s who to the photo in the first place.
The poor children in these photos are hurt and damaged beyond repair.
And as for p2p,i dont use it i use news groups and dont download porn at all,for those of you that hate child porn just be carefull when using p2p.
This subject makes me very angry.
And i wish people in afterdawn would read the messages properly before leaving stupid remarks ie Zippy.
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30. October 2007 @ 07:42 |
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Originally posted by marcusita:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
7thsinger/marcusita
the level of damage done here dose not equate to life, I hope the feds find a random pic and toss you in jail because of it because thats how things are now.
Also I am not saying he should not get time or fines for this he should but not at 40X what the max should be.
your fuvor to protect blinds to the real issues.
People who intentionaly download child pornography should get no less than 10 years in jail in my opinion.
Also internet providers need to do more to insure that child pornography dosnt get on to the internet.
If a picture of a child in horrifing acts is downloaded by accident,fair enough get rid of it and be more carefull what you download in the future.
I am a father and i can say this scumbag who may be getting 210 years in jail DESERVES at least 10 with ongoing help afterwards.
It wasnt one or two pictures downloaded by accident it was a few hundred and he was trading them making him as big a peadophile as the b******s who to the photo in the first place.
The poor children in these photos are hurt and damaged beyond repair.
And as for p2p,i dont use it i use news groups and dont download porn at all,for those of you that hate child porn just be carefull when using p2p.
This subject makes me very angry.
And i wish people in afterdawn would read the messages properly before leaving stupid remarks ie Zippy.
you don't seem to udnerstand its not rape its not a high crime becuse you are so fcking blind to protect them you are wiling to toss out reason and put away the morons that acualty hurt people no you want to toss all the lil scum that you don't like into the pot and watch the fckign thing explode, wake up and understand your petty moralisims do more harm than pedos that wont touch a child but drool over pictures!
And again I think he should have gotten some time served and some fines,this fake 210 year thing is foolish and stupid because he will be out in less than 5 because he didn't hurt anyone (from what it says above he was oggleing pictures).
but of coarse you are with the horde who would rather have the appearance of things being done than actually being done.
thank for your arrogance and foolishness I hope these laws you support come to bite you on the ass one day because thats how zero tolerance works its flames of penance burn all.
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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30. October 2007 @ 08:34 |
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Originally posted by marcusita:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
7thsinger/marcusita
the level of damage done here dose not equate to life, I hope the feds find a random pic and toss you in jail because of it because thats how things are now.
Also I am not saying he should not get time or fines for this he should but not at 40X what the max should be.
your fuvor to protect blinds to the real issues.
People who intentionaly download child pornography should get no less than 10 years in jail in my opinion.
Also internet providers need to do more to insure that child pornography dosnt get on to the internet.
If a picture of a child in horrifing acts is downloaded by accident,fair enough get rid of it and be more carefull what you download in the future.
I am a father and i can say this scumbag who may be getting 210 years in jail DESERVES at least 10 with ongoing help afterwards.
It wasnt one or two pictures downloaded by accident it was a few hundred and he was trading them making him as big a peadophile as the b******s who to the photo in the first place.
The poor children in these photos are hurt and damaged beyond repair.
And as for p2p,i dont use it i use news groups and dont download porn at all,for those of you that hate child porn just be carefull when using p2p.
This subject makes me very angry.
And i wish people in afterdawn would read the messages properly before leaving stupid remarks ie Zippy.
you don't seem to udnerstand its not rape its not a high crime becuse you are so fcking blind to protect them you are wiling to toss out reason and put away the morons that acualty hurt people no you want to toss all the lil scum that you don't like into the pot and watch the fckign thing explode, wake up and understand your petty moralisims do more harm than pedos that wont touch a child but drool over pictures!
And again I think he should have gotten some time served and some fines,this fake 210 year thing is foolish and stupid because he will be out in less than 5 because he didn't hurt anyone (from what it says above he was oggleing pictures).
but of coarse you are with the horde who would rather have the appearance of things being done than actually being done.
thank for your arrogance and foolishness I hope these laws you support come to bite you on the ass one day because thats how zero tolerance works its flames of penance burn all.
People like this support the people that take these pictures and create this market. By circulating this particular type of filth this man is supporting those that DO hurt the children involved. Everything trickles down somehow. Is he the same as the sickos that took the pictures? No. Should five or six years be all this man recieves? No. He may not (and we'll never actually know for sure, now will we) have ever hurt a child in this manner. But he's still keeping the market alive by intentionally downloading and circulating these photos.
As far as the zero tolerance thing: it doesn't work, but neither does our modern system. I.E. Michael Jackson and child molestation/abuse charges more than once, never convicted.
And opinions are exactly that. Opinions. To call other peoples opinions "stupid remarks" (Marcusita) or "arrogant and foolish" (Zippy) is not really fair. Just because other people don't see things the way we do does not make them any less intelligent or what they have to say any less important.
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30. October 2007 @ 10:35 |
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lol fags are noobs lololololololol
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30. October 2007 @ 10:57 |
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Originally posted by 7thsinger:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Originally posted by marcusita:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
7thsinger/marcusita
the level of damage done here dose not equate to life, I hope the feds find a random pic and toss you in jail because of it because thats how things are now.
Also I am not saying he should not get time or fines for this he should but not at 40X what the max should be.
your fuvor to protect blinds to the real issues.
People who intentionaly download child pornography should get no less than 10 years in jail in my opinion.
Also internet providers need to do more to insure that child pornography dosnt get on to the internet.
If a picture of a child in horrifing acts is downloaded by accident,fair enough get rid of it and be more carefull what you download in the future.
I am a father and i can say this scumbag who may be getting 210 years in jail DESERVES at least 10 with ongoing help afterwards.
It wasnt one or two pictures downloaded by accident it was a few hundred and he was trading them making him as big a peadophile as the b******s who to the photo in the first place.
The poor children in these photos are hurt and damaged beyond repair.
And as for p2p,i dont use it i use news groups and dont download porn at all,for those of you that hate child porn just be carefull when using p2p.
This subject makes me very angry.
And i wish people in afterdawn would read the messages properly before leaving stupid remarks ie Zippy.
you don't seem to udnerstand its not rape its not a high crime becuse you are so fcking blind to protect them you are wiling to toss out reason and put away the morons that acualty hurt people no you want to toss all the lil scum that you don't like into the pot and watch the fckign thing explode, wake up and understand your petty moralisims do more harm than pedos that wont touch a child but drool over pictures!
And again I think he should have gotten some time served and some fines,this fake 210 year thing is foolish and stupid because he will be out in less than 5 because he didn't hurt anyone (from what it says above he was oggleing pictures).
but of coarse you are with the horde who would rather have the appearance of things being done than actually being done.
thank for your arrogance and foolishness I hope these laws you support come to bite you on the ass one day because thats how zero tolerance works its flames of penance burn all.
People like this support the people that take these pictures and create this market. By circulating this particular type of filth this man is supporting those that DO hurt the children involved. Everything trickles down somehow. Is he the same as the sickos that took the pictures? No. Should five or six years be all this man recieves? No. He may not (and we'll never actually know for sure, now will we) have ever hurt a child in this manner. But he's still keeping the market alive by intentionally downloading and circulating these photos.
As far as the zero tolerance thing: it doesn't work, but neither does our modern system. I.E. Michael Jackson and child molestation/abuse charges more than once, never convicted.
And opinions are exactly that. Opinions. To call other peoples opinions "stupid remarks" (Marcusita) or "arrogant and foolish" (Zippy) is not really fair. Just because other people don't see things the way we do does not make them any less intelligent or what they have to say any less important.
so we contenuie in vain to not stop anything because its to difficult to do?
the system is broken and more interested in keeping idiots in presion than real criminals, all this dose is make the system worse by stuffing jails with people who should be under the watchful eye of the system as so they can be tracked and subjected better than to be tossed away and forgotten only to be let out after a hand full of years.
As for MJ or even OJ we need a jury system that can not be rigged by either sides, being able to preview and "sort" is not a good thing, altho I wonder if the sorting process can be dumbed down to a 5 part qustionaire that weeds out the stupid people, the trouble with the current setup is both sides can review and toss out any one with brain..
I dislike most here is the trumped up charges that he wont serve, the appearance of things being done right has for too long tooken hold and made so much just not work anymore....
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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so sexual orientation has a direct and linked affect on how many posts a person puts on here? Very smart. Thanks for you two cents on that one. Glad to see you've posted enough to leave the fag status behind you.
@Zippy
No, i don't think our country and judicial system should leave something broken broken just for the sake of the difficulty at fixing it. And i do agree that some lesser criminals are housed wrongly because our current system has flaws. I don't know that it neccessarily applies to the situation we're discussing. I feel that this type of conduct and behavior should be dealt with in a stiff enough manner as to cause the perpetrator to desist his disgusting fondness for children. Fines --i don't believe-- would be a harsh enough punishment if left as the sole punishment. I think being tagged in the showers by Bubba and Snowflake ('cause every prison has "sisters" named Bubba and Snowflake) might make him think twice about going back and therefore think four times about what he did that landed him there. It's a well known fact that any kind of child abusers --no matter the extent-- are not treated well by faculty and inmates. I feel whatever prison time they can stick him with would be better than fine(s).
And you're right, the charges are trumped up and he won't have to deal with half of them. The system is trying to make it appear that they are doing their part. Most of those charges won't stick.
And you're absolutely right about our jury system. No argument there.
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#1 Why dont you quit being a twat and go sell some cars.
#2 You're a CAR SALESMAN so .......
#3 I was j/k when I posted that mainly because this thread has gone so far south.
#4 You're a car salesman.
#5 If you quote the boondock saints then why are you such a little bleep.
#6 I love gay people so quit taking things so seriously.
#7 You are a car salesman.
I seriously get pissed off when people manage to get so involved in a topic and take on the role of Arbiter of the thread. Honestly go sell some cars, maybe in a few years you might make the small climb up the corporate ladder of a crappy car dealership.
Look everybody the Politically correct king just got owned by a highschooler.
PS: To the mods I'm sorry at how offensive this got. I'm friends with many of you guys, but you know how riled I can get.
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Originally posted by thekingo7:
@ 7thsinger
#1 Why dont you quit being a twat and go sell some cars.
#2 You're a CAR SALESMAN so fuck off.
#3 I was j/k when I posted that mainly because this thread has gone so far south.
#4 You're a car salesman.
#5 If you quote the boondock saints then why are you such a little bitch.
#6 I love gay people so quit taking things so seriously.
#7 You are a car salesman.
I seriously get pissed off when people manage to get so involved in a topic and take on the role of Arbiter of the thread. Honestly go sell some cars, maybe in a few years you might make the small climb up the corporate ladder of a crappy car dealership.
Look everybody the Politically correct king just got owned by a highschooler.
PS: To the mods I'm sorry at how offensive this got. I'm friends with many of you guys, but you know how riled I can get.
1. I'm neither a twat, nor do i sell cars.
2. I'm a service manager, i run the service department.
3. I missed your joke and therefore apologize.
4. Refer to number two.
5. I'm not a little b*tch and i love the Boondock Saints. I've met Troy Duffy twice.
6. I don't mind gay people in the least, but prefer not to be referred to as one. Common courtesy kind of thing.
7. Refer to number 2.
I wasn't aribtrating anything. Just juggling ideas with others, which i thought to be the whole idea of threads like this. Then you come in with an off the wall insult that was neither deserved, nor asked for. So why am i the a-hole here?
I'm not the politically correct king, nor was i owned. And before you respond with another misinformed list of insults, allow me to point out that i have done nothing deserving of anything you've said to me yet.
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30. October 2007 @ 20:16 |
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Ummm.. I kick ass? I thoguh everyone knew that.
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Cool it.
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To the mods I'm sorry at how offensive this got.
Then please don't post it in an open public forum.
I'm not favoring anyone at all and haven't read thru the whole thread yet - but this line stood out
Just because other people don't see things the way we do does not make them any less intelligent or what they have to say any less important.
Let's stop all the insults.
I started to clean up the language but well didn't finish yet so let's all keep it clean.
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31. October 2007 @ 04:50 |
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I think child pornography of ALL form should be punished.
This guy Zippy just Dosnt understand that downloading child pornography is contributing to the problem.
I GIVE UP
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31. October 2007 @ 04:59 |
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Originally posted by marcusita:
I think child pornography of ALL form should be punished.
This guy Zippy just Dosnt understand that downloading child pornography is contributing to the problem.
I GIVE UP
and you don't understand on the scale of things its lower than muder or assault but for a few instances.
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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30. November 2007 @ 20:45 |
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Alot of the child victims are murdered and all are raped of course. People who watch and share this kind of stuff deserve the same punishment as the makers of it in my eyes. They should be removed from the human gene pool ASAP, however life in prison for a paedofile is a far worse punishment than death.
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11. December 2007 @ 09:54 |
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I understand the general points that Zippy and Leo and some of the others are trying to make. Although they are coming across as defending child pornography, I think what they're saying is that the punishments, in some cases, don't appear to fit the crime. Very recent studies of pornography have indicated that they may be right. Sexual crimes of almost all types are statistically headed downwards. The reason, these studies suggest, is the easy access that almost every person has to pornography via the internet. Contrary to most peoples beliefs, it appears that regular exposure to hard-core porn via the internet is what is driving this decrease. Seems the doomsday predictions of internet porno-crazed sexual predators hiding behind every bush weren't correct. I would agree that sending pictures of kiddie porn across the internet is not akin to committing murder. Ultimately, though, we allow the concensus of the majority of the people to shape our law, and sexual matters of all types seems to get nearly everybody going. Indeed, there are some extreme views surrounding sex. But our harsh laws for child molesters and kiddie porn reflect the wishes of the majority of the people. This unevenness in punishment is similar to the laws that we have passed trying to stem the drug problem. It's possible in many states to get more time for selling quantities of pot than it is for killing someone. Most progressive thinkers would agree that this is just plain wrong. At any rate, I agree that there is more hysteria and misinformation surrounding sex than just about anything. IMHO, this is in large part due to organized religion, I'm sorry to say. Kiddie porn aside, let's not forget that sex is a beautiful thing and humans are driven to - and meant to have - sex.
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