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article published on 23 January, 2008
In an interview with BetaNews, Universal Studios executive vice president and co-president of the HD DVD Promotional Group Ken Graffeo has said that despite rampant rumors the struggling format is here to stay. He did however leave the door open for putting an end to the format war if Blu-ray is willing to make an agreement.
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Originally posted by spydah:
I seen this and I posted what i seen.
- Source - http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies.php?studioid=6
LMAO.
Blu-ray.com. Very funny.
Good one, genuine laugh out loud moment there, thanks.
Originally posted by spydah:
But just like before when YOU (hughjars) posted that Warner was signed and delivered on the HD-DVD side and they was not.
- Er no, it's nothing like the same.
I knew (from speaking to several people) that WB were set to go HD DVD at CES 2008.
That's why I was so confident.
That was what they had decided.
Sadly right at the last moment there was a change of decision by their Blu-ray supporting CEO & a few members of their board (probably acting under pressure from their parent company, Time Warner - who are believed to be the reason why WB went dual in the 1st place).
The Ken Graffeo interview backs up my version of events.
It was not a guess (unlike the others who claim to have 'known' WB were going Blu)
That's nothing like the same as a proven error (those movies have not been rereleased on Blu-ray by Paramount - tho they were available before when Paramount was dual format) that is known now to be false.
Nor is it anything like the same as pretending that Blu-ray has (or soon will have when - if - Warner walk) 80% of Hollywood's entire potentially available catalogue.
Originally posted by spydah:
You focus more and more on trying to convince us that Universal and Paramount are going to make a come back
- I don't have to "concentrate" on anything other than what Universal have actually said and done.
Univerals & Paramount have stayed HD DVD exclusive despite a month+ of Blu-ray claims they are going Blu any second.
Originally posted by spydah:
I will continue letting have your never ending battle with your self about this war. Remember thats your battle against your self with your preferred format.
- Oh dear.
Right-o.
You enjoy yourself with your ridiculous amatuer psychology delusions.
Once again a thread that was a positive story about what Universal are doing (ie supporting HD DVD) has been the subject of an attempt to hijack the actual story to talk-up Blu-ray, slam HD DVD and spread the usual Blu-ray lies & BS.
You guys are too obvious.
And what have you done with every thread that was released speaking positively about Blu-ray? Oh i guess you forgot about that huh. You seem to only have tunnel vision when its a convenience to you. You get all defensive acting like HD-DVD is a religion and people are bash it.
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24. January 2008 @ 17:08 |
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wHAT KIND OF DISC DOES 360 use a regular dvd if so thats some next gen system woooohoooo.
Yeap, that is why 360 will die fast.
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@SDF_GR
MS have stated that the HD DVD drive is exclusively for HD movies and not games. So to see and/or expect games on it is unlikely. Although, I'm certain that 360 owners would receive (and welcome) such with open arms.
For Games (and not only), Large Capacity Media = Better Quality.
If they want to keep up with PS3 they will have to release Games in HD media.
But cause MS is ... well MS, they are waiting the war to be over and then i am sure that they will release a 360 with a BD or HD-DVD-rom embedded, and if BD is the winner as it seems right now, 360 people will have a Console with 2 eternal drives and paid MS 3 times in total.
What as i see is that MS has nothing to loose if BD wins the war.
The opposite i might say. By Blu-ray winning the war, Instantly MS has new reasons to Release a new 360 Version and BD external Drives.
Sony isnt that bad after all.
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huh the 360 will die fast will it? As far as making games on hd-dvd microsoft will not do that with the 360. Maybe the next xbox, but not the 360. That would alienate everyone that currently owns a 360 because they would have to buy either a new system with the drive built in or an expensive add-on. That would kill the 360. Plus right now no games need that kind of space. Sony claimed that they used something like 24 GB for resistance. They didnt tell you that 18 GB of it was for movies. If I want to watch a movie I will buy one. The 360 holds the same position that the ps2 held over the original xbox. Even though the technology is not as good the product came to market first and developed a strong following before the PS3 came out.
Like I said before whoever can cut down the load times will be the winner to me.
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reading about this nonsense ... its ez to see the ps3 fanboys. I own a ps3 and a HD-DVD player. The format with HD-DVD is much easier to use ..not to mention the loss-less 7.1 HD sound is superior.
As far as who will win ..who really cares? More than half the ps3's belong to peeps still in High School ..which someone already ypointed out here ..will not buy $30 movies to watch on it while already paying $60 for the games.
Whomever gets their format to the pc at the most affordable price will win ..that will be it...and its quite hard to compete with Microsoft ...then add Apple and well .. thats pretty much the entire pc market.
I feel the higher prices of HD-DVD media (30 bucks vs 15 for normal dvd) are actually subsidizing the deflated cost of the hd-dvd players...cause its been told time and time again the hd-dvd media is nearly as cheap to produce as old-school dvds.
Again ..thats already a clear advantage...manufacturing cost always is one of the most important aspects of production. Eventually blue-ray will have to expand their manufacturing outside of what ..2 plants in japan..to compete with the already cheap costs of HD-DVD.
If they..you..and I were intelligent and put our heads/pocketbooks together ..we would demand a unified media solution...not a dual player ..but dual media..and im quite sure it can be done.
Sure ..blue ray has advantages ..but so doesnt HD-DVD .. seems you blueray fans forget that ...put them both together ..everyone is happy .the end.
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goodswipe said in his response to my post,
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Hmmm, tell us something we don't know ken, lol.
So I'll try!
Here is some recent news info, not sure if it has been mentioned.
http://imdb.com/news/sb/2008-01-24/
Posted 24 Jan 2008 at above link.
Almost Nobody's Buying HD DVD, Says Report
In yet another sign that the battle between HD DVD and Blu-ray is nearly over, with Blu-ray emerging as the de facto hi-def standard, sales data, published by The Digital Bits website, indicated Wednesday that Blu-ray players accounted for 93 percent of the high-definition players sold for the week ending January 12. The week was the first following Warner Bros. announcement that it would no longer release films in the HD DVD format after April 30. High-Def Disc News also reported that during the same week movies released in the Blu-ray format accounted for 85 percent of high-definition sales.
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24. January 2008 @ 20:46 |
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One weeks (or even 2) prove nothing.
Here's something with a little more balance & sense on recent events -
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There was much celebrating and gloating from the Blu-ray community across the Internet this week as weekly numbers from market researcher NPD Group seemed to indicate the near-even split in sales between Blu-ray and HD DVD had become completely one-sided.
However, NPD cautions not to start dancing on HD DVD's grave.
First off, HD doesn't have a grave yet, secondly, one week of numbers do not a trend make.
Blu-ray and HD DVD are two competing formats battling it out for the chance to replace your DVD player as the next generation home media playback format.
Both are fairly similar, with the only real difference being capacity. A single layer HD DVD disc holds 15GB of data while a single layer Blu-ray disc holds 25GB. HD DVD was developed by Toshiba while Blu-ray is a Sony creation.
The two have been battling for the market for almost a year now, with the slight edge going to Blu-ray but not enough to put away HD DVD.
Then it all seemed over in a flash when on the eve of CES, Warner Bros announced it would go exclusively Blu-ray. The HD DVD Consortium cancelled its CES events while the Blu-ray camp spent the entire conference gloating.
The figures were not officially disclosed by NPD, a subscriber with access to the numbers let them out.
NPD doesn't disclose weekly numbers because it says such short term data can give an inaccurate picture.
"Weekly data can be very volatile and is designed to be used tactically," Stephen Baker, vice president of NPD, explained to InternetNews.com.
"Because of that, brands and retailers can do all sorts of things in one week to change the direction of a category for a week. That's typically not a hard thing to do."
However, Baker admitted he'd never seen a change this bad. For the week ending January 5, 2008, Blu-ray Disc player sales were at 15,257 units, while HD DVD player sales were at 14,558 units, for a near 50-50 split.
One week later, after the Warner decision to stop supporting both Blu-ray and HD DVD and support Blu-ray only, the numbers went totally lopsided. Blu-ray sales were 21,770 units, a 42 percent gain, to HD's 1,758, an 88 percent plunge.
On top of that Nielsen VideoScan reported the top selling high definition DVDs for the week of January 13, and it was entirely Blu-ray titles, with the critically-praised film "3:10 To Yuma" topping the list and three from the "Harry Potter" series making up the listing.
Those "Harry Potter" titles are also available on HD DVD, as they are Warner titles and Warner does not go exclusive until the summer, but it reflects the difference in unit sales between the formats.
"It was obviously a big shift, and I'm not saying [the Warner decision] didn't have anything to do with it," said Baker. "It likely did but there were other things to do with it as well."
The following week, Toshiba made drastic cuts to its HD DVD players, slashing the prices by half, and that data is not in yet. Baker said NPD doesn't plan on releasing it, but added with a laugh "who knows what ends up out there again," in reference to DVD fan sites.
Van Baker, research director with Gartner, said he was inclined to think the Warner deal did cause the huge shift. "It all depends on what films have been released recently and what promotions took place," he said.
"That said, the Warner announcement and Microsoft comment, when they came out and said they could shift to a Blu-ray based Xbox easily, kinda pulled the rug out from under HD DVD."
Microsoft's Xbox 360 console has an add-on HD DVD drive for $149. The company was asked at CES if a similar Blu-ray drive would be possible and company officials said it was easy enough to do. It just didn't say it would make a drive any time soon.
Van Baker doesn't think HD DVD owners are abandoning their players, but it might be making people get off the fence. "What could be giving rise to this is some people who have been reticent, maybe they have a PS3 in the house, are now saying 'oh it's over now, I can buy movies.' So people who may have been on the fence are feeling justified in buying movies now."
He said his bet is that the Blu-ray/HD format war "will be over by this Christmas. But we'll have to wait and see."
http://www.internetnews.com/storage/article.php/3723496
- It's obvious that the WB comment made some people hesitate & think twice.
It's also obvious that the Toshiba price cuts have attracted many thousands of new sales.
We can see from the Amazon USA sales numbers that HD DVD has returned to selling very strongly (stronger than before) after the price reductions.
The Toshiba HD A3 is number 1 best selling DVD player with the HD A30 at number 3 and the HD A35 at number 9.
The best selling Blu-ray player is at number 8
http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/ele...ref=pd_ts_e_nav
The HD A3 is currently the 17th best selling item in the entire Amazon USA inventory (it was at number 3 last week).
http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/ele...1822205-6060738
By contrast the best selling Blu-ray player is at number 97.
The high def market is obviously tiny & immature and with Blu-ray only managing sales of 6 million in almost 2 year when the total movie disc market is 750 million plus it is absurd to pretend that Blu-ray has won anything at this point.
Blu-ray sales do not even reach 1% of the size of the total annual movie disc market.
No matter how much the Blu-ray fanclub try and talk their favoured format up that is the true state of things right now.
Blu-ray is very much a niche product about as far away from breaking into the mainstream mass-market as you can get.
BTW Ken you might be interested in knowing that Warner have made the 1st shift in their deadline and will now supply new releases to HD DVD up to the 31st May.
5 months is a long time in business.
Don't be too surprised if this date slips again
(particularly when the new numbers emerge reflecting HD DVD's recent excellent hardware sales).
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so now that Warner is exclusive... we just haven't addressed it yet.
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Since hughjars insists on bringing up amazon sales ranks here's the graph comparing the top 100 HD DVD VS BluRay products on amazon for the last 7 days:
Black line - HD DVD
Blue Line - BluRay
From eproductwars.com
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24. January 2008 @ 21:17 |
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Juankerr, what's with this 7 days nonsense?
No one (serious) looks at 7 day 'trends'.
You have to talk quarters at least - and preferably several of them to truly see anything.
Get real.
Here's the 'Salesrank of top 100 products: from May 2007', which is a lot more like it.
But this is not even the relevant part - HD DVD is not trying to sell vast numbers of discs right now, there's not a lot of point what with SD DVD being so dominant.
The really big deal is to get HD DVD players out there.
Their owners will continue to buy SD DVD & upscale it.
That's inevitable.
But 2 things are going to happen.
Firstly they will repeat Blu-ray's trick of luring them later with deals and BOGOs and
secondly when the Twin discs come in the war is over with HD DVD sales numbers literally becoming SD DVD sales numbers.
That's why the Blu-ray gang made so much noise & have fought so hard to try and get this all over with now.
They have failed & they know the big moves are coming - and there's nothing they can do about it.
Thanks to Twin disc (and to a smaller degree combos discs) HD DVD is the only high def format that can make the change and not hurt or leave anyone behind.
Blu-ray cannot do this.
When Twin discs become the norm the numbers flip permanently and Blu-ray's little period in the sun will be well and truly over.
Game console proprietary format beckons.
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Dang, Pulled up the last 30 days, Blu has got it's butt kicking boots on.
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Originally posted by hughjars:
Juankerr, what's with this 7 days nonsense?
Let's look at the rankings in the context of the recent HD DVD player price drop shall we?
Thus the last 7 days.
Unfortunately, eproductwars.com doesn't do quarters. How about the last 30 days?
It doesn't look any better for HD DVD does it? The lower priced players were supposed to move the software.
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A little while ago I found the following written on a picture posted at another discussion about this format war.
Can't get back to it for a link for posting the pic, but here is the
text on the pic.
pic filename was (arguing_on_the_internet.jpg)
"Arguing on the internet is like
running in the Special Olympics.
Even if you win, you're still Retarded."
My question is:
Does anyone want to declare their side the winner?
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we're merely THREE WEEKS into the NEW YEAR and Warner move. comparing "quarters" is something that is unavailable given the time constraints. don't worry, first quarter comparisons will be made but not soon enough for some.
there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG with COMPARING WEEKLY numbers as weekly numbers will inturn be used to calculate quarterly figures. i GUARANTEE you, companies will dissect quarterly figures on a smaller scale, such as weekly when making analysis. they will look at weekly numbers to try and get some insight on why products sold one week as compared to another. they will compare sales in the early going of the quarter to those at the end, to determine how strong they finished up along with previous and current demand levels. they may wonder what possible factors may have come into play for sales differences (BOGO, Promotion giveaway, sale, etc)? so in actuality weekly numbers do hold some weight, but again nice try. may be weekly numbers don't mean a lot for HD-DVD goers, i mean just how many times did hd-dvd take the cake in weekly movie sales?
So far, the new year really couldn't have started out any better for Blu-ray. warner switched (along with others), their hardware is selling, medium is selling, consumer demand or interest is rising (increase in hardware sales gives that conclusion), and all this before the affordable players hit the market.
HD-DVD positives, they canceled their pre CES press conference. oops wait, thats not a positive. they still have paramount and universal but that really isn't anything new along with their pricecuts. they cut prices at the end of the year, only to be out done as usual. so really there is not a whole lot to look forward to or positive for HD-DVD.
Originally posted by hughjars:
I knew (from speaking to several people) that WB were set to go HD DVD at CES 2008.
That's why I was so confident.
That was what they had decided.
Sadly right at the last moment there was a change of decision by their Blu-ray supporting CEO & a few members of their board (probably acting under pressure from their parent company, Time Warner - who are believed to be the reason why WB went dual in the 1st place).
The Ken Graffeo interview backs up my version of events.
It was not a guess (unlike the others who claim to have 'known' WB were going Blu)
bahhh hahaha yeah right. i asked you time and time again what you were so confident about, and every time you took the 5th. i never once recalled hearing(reading) you state you had inside knowledge and thus certainty of Warner going HD-DVD exclusive prior to their announcement. all you kept saying was "wait for CES." his interview does nothing to "back up" what you said as that was AFTER THE FACT. let me guess you weren't at liberty to discuss such arrangements? please, or maybe such arrangements were never really set in stone after all? lmfao
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.....and the whole time while the Blu-ray fanclub try and shout down the facts they remain the facts.
Universal & Paramount (the 2nd & 3rd largest Hollywood studios) remain HD DVD exclusive.
HD DVD has not 'died' and HD DVD isn't going away anywhere.
HD DVD hardware continues to sell extremely well.
The rest is just the usual attempts by the PS3/Blu-ray fanclub & 'project hydra' to try and talk-up 'momentum' for their favourite format.
Tough luck guys, even with the Warner post-dated pledge you have yet again failed to knock HD DVD out of the market.
(and you know what that means for your beloved Blu-ray.)
My turn to LMFAO.
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A few days ago I didnot know anything about either format and
I had the idea that the "war" was only going on between the companies,
not half the damm world's population.
Not knowing about either format, I took time to look at the tech
differences between the two and decided that someday I would start using Blu-ray for all my data storage because of the better tech
diferences.
Looking at all this bickering and arguing at this site and many others
I wonder "why?". In the end, we all know that the "best" format
will remain.
I and many others "know" it will be Blu-ray.
So I ask those that are for Blu-ray, remain calm, avoid arguing
with these people that belive otherwise, after all they are just feeling desperation because of the pending passing of
a cheap, inferior format that we know will be ended.
After this is posted one of them or more will make some
sly remark; that's ok, let them and also let them have the
last word as we know despite what they say it will in the end
be us that will L"O"FAO.
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Whomever gets their format to the pc at the most affordable price will win ..that will be it...and its quite hard to compete with Microsoft ...then add Apple and well .. thats pretty much the entire pc market.
Toshiba has already started putting hd-dvd players in their laptop computers. And being that the xbox360 drive works with a pc just needing the correct drivers, its pretty clear who is winning that war.
For anyone to say this "War" will be over soon is just being ignorant. There are way to many companies with huge investments in both sides to just let either format "Die" anytime soon. Even when it is clear who the winner is the other side will still be grasping for one last stand.
As far as looking at weekly sales figures to gauge a products performance, there is a reason why those figures cannot be used and why you should look at sales for a quarter at the minimum. Have you ever heard the term "New Release". From week to week depending on the movies being released, the numbers could be very one sided. But that does not mean that you can judge a products performance from that. It would be the same as comparing game sales between consoles. Thats why when companies report on their earnings and projected sales figures, they do it quarterly.
Its looks like most of the people in this thread are choosing one side or the other and claiming that they can predict the future. If that is true why are you wasting your time on forums.
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I've said it a BILLION TRILLION GAZILLION times.................They're both here to stay. Dual format players will be the standard. Mark my words because I know just about everything there is to know!!!
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Whomever gets their format to the pc at the most affordable price will win ..that will be it...and its quite hard to compete with Microsoft ...then add Apple and well .. thats pretty much the entire pc market.
Toshiba has already started putting hd-dvd players in their laptop computers. And being that the xbox360 drive works with a pc just needing the correct drivers, its pretty clear who is winning that war.
For anyone to say this "War" will be over soon is just being ignorant. There are way to many companies with huge investments in both sides to just let either format "Die" anytime soon. Even when it is clear who the winner is the other side will still be grasping for one last stand.
As far as looking at weekly sales figures to gauge a products performance, there is a reason why those figures cannot be used and why you should look at sales for a quarter at the minimum. Have you ever heard the term "New Release". From week to week depending on the movies being released, the numbers could be very one sided. But that does not mean that you can judge a products performance from that. It would be the same as comparing game sales between consoles. Thats why when companies report on their earnings and projected sales figures, they do it quarterly.
Its looks like most of the people in this thread are choosing one side or the other and claiming that they can predict the future. If that is true why are you wasting your time on forums.
Actually I read through intensive research, that the HD-DVD player for the PC and (even for the Xbox) has serious quality issues regarding movie playback. Major shuttering, Pixels aren't nearly as "tight" and the coloring and brightness of the playback is nothing compared to that of stand alone players.
Technologically blu-ray is superior but it's fairly negligible like the size of the actual laser and the sound processing. I hope both stay..........they have respective features that are great. Besides........all this B.S. hype is driving the prices down.
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quote]I know just about everything there is to know!!!
That covers a lot of bases dude!
So, it seems you really know your shit?
Let me ask you a simple question and see just how smart you are,
"What's that white stuff that is mixed in chicken shit?"
Just sub next letter, just want you to think
about it for a few seconds.
ANSWER -------> SGZSR RGHS SN
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Blu ray and HD DVD are very similar in technology. The differences are very minor. Blu ray is capable of tranfer rates between 36 to 48 MBPS and is capable of 54 MBPS but nobody is currently making anything that operates at that transfer speed. HD DVD has a fixed transfer rate of 36 MBPS. The HDTV standard requirement is 19.3 MBPS, so both formats are operating well above what is required for the video equipment that is available. Both Blu ray and HD DVD use Blue lasers operating at 405 nanometers, the difference being the focal point on the disk. The only area where Blu ray has an apparent advantage is capacity. Blu ray has a 50 gb capacity with a two layer disk versus HDDVD's 30 gb capacity. Blu ray has a potential for higher capacities but a 100 GB blu ray disk is four layer disk and there are no players on the market that can read the disk and no media in this capacity available either. At this point in time for movie playback the capacity advantage does not really amount to much of a difference.
There is an effort to try to manufacture Bluray media now on existing DVD production equipment to get the manufacturing costs down. In effect making making Blu ray media the same as HD DVD with a differenct name.
Neither of the formats will be around for the long term. I would fully expect that Blu ray and/or HD DVD will become obsolete at roughly the same time as standard DVD.
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Originally posted by fritz_l:
Blu ray and HD DVD are very similar in technology. The differences are very minor. Blu ray is capable of tranfer rates between 36 to 48 MBPS and is capable of 54 MBPS but nobody is currently making anything that operates at that transfer speed. HD DVD has a fixed transfer rate of 36 MBPS.
- Not quite.
Blu-ray has a max raw data bit-rate of 53.95mbps.
If the 51gb Triple Layer HD DVD has kept the 1.5X spin speed that thee original 45gb TL disc had then HD DVD will have the higher raw bit-rate @54.825mbps.
We await the final word on the TL disc specs.
But you are quite right, modern codecs don't need that capability (and it was only ever included in Blu-ray's specs so Sony could use the ancient MPEG2 codec without it looking completely horrible.....although as their 1st BD releases showed it was pretty marginal at best).
Originally posted by fritz_l:
The HDTV standard requirement is 19.3 MBPS, so both formats are operating well above what is required for the video equipment that is available.
- Where is this requirement?
Here in the UK our HD broadcasters regularly broadcast at well under this figure.
But then again VC-1 compression can produce a perfectly acceptable and even excellent image with bit-rates @12 -16mbps.
Originally posted by fritz_l:
The only area where Blu ray has an apparent advantage is capacity. Blu ray has a 50 gb capacity with a two layer disk versus HDDVD's 30 gb capacity.
- That's no longer correct.
The 51gb triple layer HD DVD disc has now been fully approved by the DVD Forum.
It's also an unspoken truth that the practical limit of the 50gb BD DL disc is not 50gb but 47gb, after 47gb their error rates go through the roof (this is why there are no movies with a total of more than 47gb on the DL disc).
51gb TL HD DVD has yet to be used by a studio (but this is going to change soon) but nevertheless it is there to be used now.
There are now no practical advantages that Blu-ray has over HD DVD.
Originally posted by fritz_l:
Neither of the formats will be around for the long term. I would fully expect that Blu ray and/or HD DVD will become obsolete at roughly the same time as standard DVD.
- I agree that Blu-ray can never replace and be the next DVD but I think HD DVD has the opportunity to co-exist and compliment DVD thanks to the Twin disc & to a much lesser extent the combo.
Blu-ray will not even have a proper range of profile 2.0 players at a decent range of prices this year - so that's another year lost in the attempt to replace DVD.
It's all happening far too late for Blu-ray and HD DVD is far from out of this no matter how much noise the Blu-ray fanclub make.
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26. January 2008 @ 15:46 |
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Originally posted by hughjars:
If the 51gb Triple Layer HD DVD has kept the 1.5X spin speed that thee original 45gb TL disc had then HD DVD will have the higher raw bit-rate @54.825mbps.
We await the final word on the TL disc specs.
But you are quite right, modern codecs don't need that capability (and it was only ever included in Blu-ray's specs so Sony could use the ancient MPEG2 codec without it looking completely horrible.....although as their 1st BD releases showed it was pretty marginal at best).
I was comparing dual layer to dual layer because they are both available in the market place and to keep the comparisons in a valid context. Otherwise it is just comparing spec sheets and if you are just looking at the spec sheets Blu ray appears to be potentially better. The problem is that Blu ray at this point is predominantly unrealized potential. No has yet figured out how to deliver on all its promises.
Originally posted by hughjars:
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The HDTV standard requirement is 19.3 MBPS, so both formats are operating well above what is required for the video equipment that is available.
- Where is this requirement?
Here in the UK our HD broadcasters regularly broadcast at well under this figure.
But then again VC-1 compression can produce a perfectly acceptable and even excellent image with bit-rates @12 -16mbps.
My mistake that is actually the maximum figure, practical application is as you pointed out lower.
By and large I tend to agree that HD DVD is the more viable product right now. Blu ray still has too many issues, even if HD DVD were to disappear tomorrow it would not be worth investing in the Blu ray technology for several more years due to lack of standardization and mandatory compliance with the standard once BR group can finally figure out what should be in it. The manufacturers have already admitted that the stand alone BD players available now are already obsolete. Early adopters were used to "create momentum" for the product. It is true, PS3's can be updated to accomodate the evolving features of Bluray although there is some question that if the disk capacity increases those players will be worthless as well. Perhaps the proposed solution there will be to buy the PS4, who knows.
HDTV market penetration is still very low at this point and will likely remain low for this year and probably into next due to world economic conditions. Chances are very high that by that time all of the debate over these two formats will be moot.
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26. January 2008 @ 20:46 |
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I don't think that Blu-Ray has won just yet! Much of its so called advantage comes from the Blu-Ray units in the PS3. So how well is the PS3 doing against say the Xbox 360 which has adopted HD DVD?
It comes as no surprise to anyone that the wii is the top selling console of 2007, but the Xbox took second, followed by PS2 in third, and the PS3 in a distant 4th place.
Many of us who enjoy doing backups have already adopted HD DVD because it is cheaply available as an add on to the Xbox, but works well on PC. For $169 and 6 free HD DVDs it's a great way to get ones feet wet.
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http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6523709.html?desc=topstory
I may have a somewhat jaded position against Sony because of their near militant support of the RIAA and MPAA. In my view Blu-Ray is not a benefit.
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12. February 2008 @ 09:07 |
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i am a fan of hd. i own the xbox360 add on.got that? good.
i am not buying Any more hd films. yes i have sold out and bought a ps3. i have done this for films not games. what i am saying is this. you can not use the argument of people who get ps3 dont buy films. here in the uk it is the best, cheapest and only fully upgradable player. the upscaled quality of non blu ray disc`s is stunning. you all had the ability to market hd and it has been a cataloge of missed opportunities.
price has been another problem. not of the hardware but of the disc`s themselves. doom for at present 15 pounds. i picked it up on standard dvd for 2!!!!! this is leveled at blue ray as well. people are not informed enough to shell out 15 to 25+ for a film they may not watch more than once or twice, when thet can get it cheap from a supermarket.
anyway all i can say is let HDDVD rest in peace. we now need one format with one goal. blu ray has been marketed better with superior hardware support. if you want blu ray get a ps3
if you want Hddvd get better advice
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