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Xbox 360 will outsell PS3 for the holidays, says Microsoft
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article published on 20 October, 2008
In an interview with Kotaku, Aaron Greenberg, group product manager for Xbox 360 has said that the company is confident it's console will outsell the rival Sony PlayStation 3 for the holiday season, worldwide.
"We expect to continue our price advantage over the PlayStation 3 for a long time," said Greenberg.
"And we feel confident that we'll outsell the PS3 this holiday season in North ... [ read the full article ]
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Also talking about the ps3 people seem to have short memories.. It was delayed 3 times because of problems with the BR drive.
Add that to the price and being the last to market and you end up in dreamcast world. Excellent machine, no customers left.
People looking now to buy one for the first time probably check them out a bit online and find that the console also has hardware problems.. not many but they are expensive to fix if they do go wrong. At least with the 360 if you keep your paperwork and don't open it up and mess about with it you are pretty safe if things do go wrong.
I haven't bought any of the 3.. Sometimes I get to thinking "lets buy a new console.. what should I get" so I have a look online for topics about game choice and reliability.. and what do I see..
360.. too many fps and violence games.. RROD but M$ replaced it within a couple of days no problem.
PS3.. where are the games? My laser died.. my drive isn't working and sony say it's $150 to get it fixed
Wii.. for the kids, no next gen graphics but good family fun. Dirt cheap and lots of exclusive games. Nothing about consoles borking and costing a fortune to repair...
Online research as a general public buyer.. The Wii sells itself, the others struggle.
I'm not quite sure what the thinking in M$ and Sony was with this gen of consoles.. I think they tried to grab the "media center" market and forgot that first and foremost people buy a games console to play games on it. Tendo at least had some grasp of this and made a gamers machine. Just because it's a family and children oriented machine shouldn't detract from it's overall success, or our perception of what they have achieved. They have always been very aware of their target audience.
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embo22000
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25. October 2008 @ 12:55 |
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I agree cheaper price definitely does push sales but you have to give some credit to the xbox360 which was chosen to enter the next generation without some of the more expensive technology and has still proven to be a good system. Wii and Xbox360 have no Blue-ray. Hell Wii has no next-gen graphics nor blueray and still is doing well. My point.... its not an accident that those consoles are cheaper than the PS3. There is a breaking point with a lot of gamers who just were not willing to pay so much money for a videogaming console. Seriously you have got to set a point were you say the console can not excceed a certain set $figure$ at launch. Will the next-generation consoles cost $1000 and if so i hope they dont plan on selling many units. I know some people bought the PS3 b/c it has blueray playback but sometimes i just wonder if they had done without the drive allowing for a cheaper console and concentrated more on games(bigger library of exclusives), if they actually wouldnot have attracted more people and kept more of their fanbase. This stratedgy did help them dominate the last generation of consoles. They already had the momentum heading into the next generation. I mean they had all the fanbase on lock with the PS2 but the high price of the PS3 scared a lot of loyal fans elsewhere.
Thats so true the PS3= The new dreamcast or saturn which ever.
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25. October 2008 @ 14:30 |
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Originally posted by embo22000:
Thats so true the PS3= The new dreamcast or saturn which ever.
If that's the case, then fear for the Xbox next-gen. There will be another company that'll come and screw Microsoft over, then the "Xbox 720" will be the next Dreamcast/Saturn.
First came Sony, killing off Sega. Then comes Microsoft, killing off Sony. I wonder who's next, if that's the case.
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It's just the way with consoles. The days of the cart machines was just the same. You chose which one you wanted by the choice of games rather than the technology.
Along came the ps1 and wiped the floor with them... and is still going as a quality used console purchase for the kids. (I have something like 6 of them) The others in that gen were better machines, but they never got a look in. The ps2 came almost alone.. It didn't have any realistic competition for a couple of years until sega and M$ teamed up.. cobbled together some stock pc hardware and made probably the best games console we will ever see. Where was the Gamecube while that was going on??.. aye.. doing a ps3 and sitting on the shelves gathering dust.
People call the Wii names for it's last gen tech and it's family target. I see some very very clever product R+D there. Why try to directly compete with the big 2? It's certainly a unique machine.
The ps3 will sell.. but it will sell like the GC, to people who want the exclusive games and the BR disk playing capabilities.
What both sony and M$ need to do is rethink who they are selling to, and what they want to make.. a fully enabled sit under the tv media center or a games console... And when they decide to make sure the tech is reliable and well made.
One thing that really annoys me about all these consoles is this.... Why don't any of them make them in a standard 19" rackmount format like a dvd player or a vhs machine.. or whatever. At least make them with flat surfaces and the controls all on the front so they can be stacked up with the rest of your entertainment electronics..
Anyway.. That's what I would like to see. Is it strange to want a games console in a standard electronics case format?
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PS3 is too powerful for it's time sadly... when it comes down to it the market is for games that satisfy the most age groups. X-Box 360 beating PS3 in sales isn't a challenge, they dropped their price down to less than half the PS3's price when they realised PS3 would vastly outsell them this year, and by doing this they changed causality, and PS3's up-rising popularity.
Despite X-Box 360's RROD, it's still cheap and affordable and as pointed out earlier, it comes with a 3 year warranty. Still there's obviously no point in getting one if you have something better (PS3, PC or Wii) and i already have a PS3 i dont plan on getting an Xbox 360 to experience their fantastic exclusives (Halo, which sucks). ^_^
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they screwed Nintendo 64 aswell...
And on the whole, PS2 owned everything ^_^ every company has their bestseller... except for Microsoft who have yet to invent something that can sell near Sony PS2 or Nintendo Wii XD
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27. October 2008 @ 18:27 |
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Originally posted by MonoSoft:
And on the whole, PS2 owned everything ^_^ every company has their bestseller... except for Microsoft who have yet to invent something that can sell near Sony PS2 or Nintendo Wii XD
Yeah, Microsoft can't do much right. They made something potentially great, but completely flopped on integrity. Sony knows how to make really different hardware.
And the PlayStation did beat out the N64 too, but Nintendo kept on going, even though their Gamecube sucked as well. Nintendo is a permanent figure in gaming, their not going anywhere anytime soon.
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27. October 2008 @ 19:23 |
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seriously why is everyone bashing microsoft? 360 had issues. Hello ps2 had issues.
360 will out sell the ps3 because of like it or not gears of war 2 and fable 2. People are going to buy the sytem when they want to play those games. Sadly the masses dont care about little big planet, so big name games and a cheaper system will sell the system. PS3 has its bluray but that can only take u so far.
Even in japan, it took good games before 360 to outsell ps3.
I cant wait for the next xbox, seeing how microsoft improved over the original xbox (other than the obvious hardware failures which is due to rushing) which no other sysem imo has ever done.
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27. October 2008 @ 20:51 |
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Originally posted by DPhenom:
seriously why is everyone bashing microsoft? 360 had issues. Hello ps2 had issues.
360 will out sell the ps3 because of like it or not gears of war 2 and fable 2. People are going to buy the sytem when they want to play those games. Sadly the masses dont care about little big planet, so big name games and a cheaper system will sell the system. PS3 has its bluray but that can only take u so far.
Even in japan, it took good games before 360 to outsell ps3.
I cant wait for the next xbox, seeing how microsoft improved over the original xbox (other than the obvious hardware failures which is due to rushing) which no other sysem imo has ever done.
Well, why praise Xbox 360 so much? I don't have anything against your comment except the "mass don't care about Little Big Planet." Sorry, i disagree... It's the mass don't care about Gears 2 and Fable 2. By mass, you have to include younger gamers as well (yeah, those little guys/gals technically not allowed to play Gears).
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Well, why praise Xbox 360 so much? I don't have anything against your comment except the "mass don't care about Little Big Planet." Sorry, i disagree... It's the mass don't care about Gears 2 and Fable 2. By mass, you have to include younger gamers as well (yeah, those little guys/gals technically not allowed to play Gears).
Either one of three things is responisible for this post.
1. It is a joke.
2. Great example of fanboyism
3. Sniffed too much glue.
I am not going to knock either of these games, Little Big planet or Gears of War2 but really there is no way that Gears of war2 will be outsold by little big planet. Gears of War2 obviously has an advantage for a couple of reason. There are more Xbox360 consoles sales than PS3 and Gears of War2 already has a reputation and huge fanbase set from the original GOW. Since the original Gow was a great game with great reviews there is going to be expectations that this installment of GOW be bigger and better and even if it fails to exceed the original GOW, the hype and fanbase upon its release will carry it sales.
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Originally posted by lxhotboy:
Either one of three things is responisible for this post.
1. It is a joke.
2. Great example of fanboyism
3. Sniffed too much glue.
I am not going to knock either of these games, Little Big planet or Gears of War2 but really there is no way that Gears of war2 will be outsold by little big planet. Gears of War2 obviously has an advantage for a couple of reason. There are more Xbox360 consoles sales than PS3 and Gears of War2 already has a reputation and huge fanbase set from the original GOW. Since the original Gow was a great game with great reviews there is going to be expectations that this installment of GOW be bigger and better and even if it fails to exceed the original GOW, the hype and fanbase upon its release will carry it sales.
Ding, ding, ding, we have a fanboy. At first I though you just said random things supporting the 360. Now it's obvious; you bash anything anyone says about your beloved Microsoft...
You wanna know what GoW1/2 is? A game for 10 year olds with little attention spans. Played it on my PC, thought it was poorly optimized, boring old trash with pathetic gameplay. I actually bought it, trading it in after I finished the story. Yeah, yeah, a million people disagree with me, especially the perfect people known as reviewers (*bribery*). I've heard that excuse too many times before. (*bribery*)
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Originally posted by lxhotboy:
Either one of three things is responisible for this post.
1. It is a joke.
2. Great example of fanboyism
3. Sniffed too much glue.
I am not going to knock either of these games, Little Big planet or Gears of War2 but really there is no way that Gears of war2 will be outsold by little big planet. Gears of War2 obviously has an advantage for a couple of reason. There are more Xbox360 consoles sales than PS3 and Gears of War2 already has a reputation and huge fanbase set from the original GOW. Since the original Gow was a great game with great reviews there is going to be expectations that this installment of GOW be bigger and better and even if it fails to exceed the original GOW, the hype and fanbase upon its release will carry it sales.
Ding, ding, ding, we have a fanboy. At first I though you just said random things supporting the 360. Now it's obvious; you bash anything anyone says about your beloved Microsoft...
You wanna know what GoW1/2 is? A game for 10 year olds with little attention spans. Played it on my PC, thought it was poorly optimized, boring old trash with pathetic gameplay. I actually bought it, trading it in after I finished the story. Yeah, yeah, a million people disagree with me, especially the perfect people known as reviewers (*bribery*). I've heard that excuse too many times before. (*bribery*)
LMAO.....I see you like that glue too. You should chill out though before you burn a hole in your nose. Actually i post when people make comments that are fanboyish or just flat out untrue. I like to post the truth. Example: Someone post saying that the xbox360 vice versa PS3 is more way more powerful than the other yet the games look almost identical on the consoles with minor differences. Then the might post the specs and design of their console of choice and say again how much more powerful it is than the next console.(Mind you what under the hood and how it actually performs are two diff things) Sega Saturn was more powerful than the PS1 but d/t poor design they were never able to show its true power on much but 2-D games b/c its design flaw made it difficult to for the dev to program for the console.
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After seeing the specs of the PlayStation, Hayao Nakayama ordered for the Saturn's specs to be fixed so it would have more processing power for 32-bit 3D games to compete with Sony's console (which was due for release at the same time as the Saturn - November 1994). This had to be done in under one year, but was successfully achieved. In the end, Sega had used technology from both their 2D and 3D arcade boards and dual processors. But this would be a problem for programmers. Programming for 2 processors would be difficult. Few programmers found it easy to program for the Saturn in this way and so most used C programming language, thus these games do not use the full power of the Saturn.
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All i posted was my opinion on something i thought was as unlikely to happen as it is for the Xbox360 and PS3 to catch the Wii in sales. I just used logics and reasoning. It would have been fanboyism had a post something in response such as: NO way Gow2 it way better and will outsell Little big planet. But i didnot. I gave a logical reason why i felt the way i did and i think those are good reasons to say GOW2 will have the edge on LBP in sales. Maybe you should look in the mirror if you get upset when some says something that may hold some truth despite stepping on your toes. And to further let the truth be known. You got upset b/c GOW2 is exclusive for xbox360 and LBP is exclusive for PS3 and what i said may have hurt your bunions. Sorry i just keep it real. Sorry if you cant see that but if LBP was an exclusive for the Xbox360 instead of PS3 my post still would have been the same supporting higher sales with GOW2 over LBP.
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You wanna know what GoW1/2 is? A game for 10 year olds with little attention spans. Played it on my PC, thought it was poorly optimized, boring old trash with pathetic gameplay. I actually bought it, trading it in after I finished the story. Yeah, yeah, a million people disagree with me, especially the perfect people known as reviewers (*bribery*). I've heard that excuse too many times before. (*bribery*)
Not even going to knock you for this one. As you are entitled to your own opinion. But i didnot bash either of the games. Exactly what is this you are doing and then turn around and call me a fanboy. Guess what im not even going to flame you for that. But it really shows your character.
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Oh for *uck's sake, GoW1 and GoW2 stands for Gods of War 1 and Gods of War 2, every "neutral" gamers know that! The fact that people use GoW1 and GoW2 for Gears of War, it's already an indication of fanboyism.
Argue whatever you want, but the "mass" includes little gamers okay? I know the Xbox community is large, i know Gears gonna do well. However, the notion that "who gives a *uck about LBP" strongly indicate how secluded/delusional some gamers are. There are other games besides shooters you know!
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Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
Oh for *uck's sake, GoW1 and GoW2 stands for Gods of War 1 and Gods of War 2, every "neutral" gamers know that! The fact that people use GoW1 and GoW2 for Gears of War, it's already an indication of fanboyism.
Argue whatever you want, but the "mass" includes little gamers okay? I know the Xbox community is large, i know Gears gonna do well. However, the notion that "who gives a *uck about LBP" strongly indicate how secluded/delusional some gamers are. There are other games besides shooters you know!
GOW comment???? Are you kidding me. I use GOW when i am talking about Gears of War or God of War. You just have to make sure you use the actual name of the game at least once in the post so that people know which of the two you mean when you later use the Abbreviation GOW and the indication that GOW should only be used to abbreviate one of these great games and isnot right to use for the other is a little gone overboard n my opinion. There is no law nor manual printed supporting the use of that abbreviation. LMAO.......Dude its not that serious and i cant believe you even brought that up... LMAO..... You are going to make me hurt myself laughing seriously..
Second you go on to talk about the xbox community. Man please like i said it doesnot matter which system the games were intended for that is not the point if you would open up your mind you could see past the console diff of the two games. Let me put this in lamen terms for you. If both games were PS3, or Wii, xbox360, NES, Genesis, Coleco vision, Atari, or tandy exclusives. Who cares.. Both game could be on PS3 for all i care and i would have still posted that LBP is not as popular, nor will sell as many copies, nor has the mass or majority of fanbase as GOW. Do you understand that now?? LMAO Did i simplify that enough for you to see past the console that game is exclusive to, your console of choice, and whether or not their are other games out there besides shooters. Open up your mind and stop being so shallow and stop making the assumption that i am making my post based on a particular console.
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sorry double post
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Why you have to double post your comments? GoW is Gods of War, because the game came out before Gears of War, it's just that simple. No, it doesn't represent both games, only in the Xbox community where GoW stands for Gears of War.
As for fan base, you can say whatever you want, because it's true, a game is almost always more successful if there's an established fan base, it's not rocket science. If you want credits for that thought, here, have a cookie :roll eyes:
However, fan base aside, look around, do we really need to wait for sequels for big hits all the time? Okay, maybe we do (i couldn't pass Gears 2 and Resistance 2), but hell, think about it. Aside from the known established fan base stuffs, what else is out there? LBP! If you strip the fan base theory off Gears or Resistance or even Mario, then compare LBP to its peers, what do you get?
Some times it's not about the fan base... Gears 2, Resistance 2, Fables 2, Fallout 3, Resident Evil 5, Gods of War 3, hell, Call of Duty series decided to drop the number... I have nothing against those titles, i love them, but come on, that's not the way i want game developers to go. LBP will definitely spark some new, something unique to the table, where people will nod their heads and go, wow, not bad, very creative, design you level, there goes the cute baby picture...
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28. October 2008 @ 10:33 |
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Some times it's not about the fan base... Gears 2, Resistance 2, Fables 2, Fallout 3, Resident Evil 5, Gods of War 3, hell, Call of Duty series decided to drop the number... I have nothing against those titles, i love them, but come on, that's not the way i want game developers to go. LBP will definitely spark some new, something unique to the table, where people will nod their heads and go, wow, not bad, very creative, design you level, there goes the cute baby picture...
I agree with you 100%. So here is a cookie for you as well. Here, go fetch boy. Ruff! LMAO... Its great to have something new but then again there is nothing wrong with great sequels.
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? GoW is Gods of War, because the game came out before Gears of War, it's just that simple.
Are you serious? If that is the rule that you follow than let no stop there. Lets not be a hypocrit lets follow is to the T. If all the people in the world thought that way do you realise that no name would be used more than once. Your name for example. I am willing to bet you are not the first person to have that name but i dont think you would change your name just b/c it was previously used to name someone else. That is what you are saying if you think about it. GOW comment made was ignorant anyway and if you think its not then remeber you need to have your name changed b/c it already describes something or someone else. Sorry but for this comment you lost all your cool points. HELLO!!!! Give me that dang cookie back. LMAO......;)
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? GoW is Gods of War, because the game came out before Gears of War, it's just that simple.
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Are you serious? If that is the rule that you follow than let no stop there. Lets not be a hypocrit lets follow is to the T. If all the people in the world thought that way do you realise that no name would be used more than once. Your name for example. I am willing to bet you are not the first person to have that name but i dont think you would change your name just b/c it was previously used to name someone else. That is what you are saying if you think about it. GOW comment made was ignorant anyway and if you think its not then remeber you need to have your name changed b/c it already describes something or someone else. Sorry but for this comment you lost all your cool points. HELLO!!!! Give me that dang cookie back. LMAO......;)
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This is so stupid, really, first off, it's not a name, it's the stupid acronym, which by convention is used to shorten lengthy titles and such (so you can type less and fast). As for acronyms, it's really on the first come first serve principle in the given community (this case, gaming community). For those of us play games before the Xbox 360 was invented, GoW doesn't not mean Gears of War. And yes, to me, it's hardwired to mean Gods of War. So yeah, it bothers me when you use it to indicate Gears of War (or both). It only tells me that you're either a Xbox 360 fan boy or never give a damn about Gods of War and calling yourself a gamer (that's worse than a Xbox fan boy IMO). I never want your damn cookie anyway and i don't give a damn about cool points. Just give me peace of mind so that i can reserve my GoW III.
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I'm not a gamer this gen.. haven't bought or rented a game in years.. I sell phones and used games part time to pay the bills.. and Wii's at Xmas. No point stocking the others in a small local shop.. They don't sell.
GoW1 GoW2.. ???.. Gods of War.. Gears of War??.. I dunno.. I had to look see if the full name was dropped somewhere else in the post, or do a Linus reading Dostoyevsky and bleep over the names I couldn't pronounce/understand. XD
C'mon fanboys.. you can do better than this :)
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Originally posted by varnull:
I'm not a gamer this gen.. haven't bought or rented a game in years.. I sell phones and used games part time to pay the bills.. and Wii's at Xmas. No point stocking the others in a small local shop.. They don't sell.
GoW1 GoW2.. ???.. Gods of War.. Gears of War??.. I dunno.. I had to look see if the full name was dropped somewhere else in the post, or do a Linus reading Dostoyevsky and bleep over the names I couldn't pronounce/understand. XD
C'mon fanboys.. you can do better than this :)
This is specifically the reason I stopped posting in the news section all together. Too many people that don't read what they write, and that just annoys me. It causes pointless arguments like this...
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Look......there goes that man again. Sorry double post.
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GoW1 GoW2.. ???.. Gods of War.. Gears of War??.. I dunno.. I had to look see if the full name was dropped somewhere else in the post, or do a Linus reading Dostoyevsky and bleep over the names I couldn't pronounce/understand. XD
C'mon fanboys.. you can do better than this :)
I know dude. Thats what i meant. As i stated before its not that serious and i can not believe it was even brought up period. But i guess you never know what is important to the next person. GOW???? Who cares enough to even bring this kind of thing up....Cookie anyone?
I have seen a several different commercials lately for games that are not even exclusives that ended up being xbox360 commercials advertising the new low price of $199. I cant say i would buy that particular model myself but Microsoft is determined to push sales. They waited till the holiday season to drop the price, some great anticipated games will be released, and picking up with the advertising all around the same time.
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I have already purchased two of the 360 consoles, both of which have permanently failed. I'm not sure I'll buy another one just to void its warranty, get the rrod, put on a temporary fix, have it die a bit later.
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Originally posted by martin280:
I have already purchased two of the 360 consoles, both of which have permanently failed. I'm not sure I'll buy another one just to void its warranty, get the rrod, put on a temporary fix, have it die a bit later.
You did not use the warranty? My cousin had RROD on a launch 360 and they shipped him a box and had it back to him in about 2 weeks. Microsoft will replace it unless you opened up the console and done some tinkering. A friend of mine got RROD and he opened unit and tried to fix it himself he ended up buying another unit. In the end i was like was trying to fix it yourself worth the money lost especially since he was aware of the warranty.
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i say congratulations to X-Box, they shunted their way in at 6th gen and are topping a company that owned two generations, maybe it's signs to open up to newer things..
Gears of War and Little Big Planet are on the same kind of level, you've got to bear in mind yes little big planet is marketed at all ages, but the PS3 isn't, it's usually targetted at around 14+, hence why it wont sell so well, Gears of war on the other hand seems to be popular (personally can't stand it) and will probably outsell it due to the Xbox being far more open to marketing to all ages. I hope Fable 2 does better than the pair of them, then again i play shooters mostly so what do i know.. ^_^
there's nothing wrong with being a fanboy, as long as you can atleast appreciate when something has beaten what you're supporting. and most importantly, this news post is about X-Box 360 beating PS3 in sales. not about pointing out the flaws of Xbox etc.
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