Originally posted by barts2:

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hopefully a fix will cum out over next couple of weeks for starview boxes me phone is hoppin since channels went lol good work lads only for ye we'd be all handin out sky a fortune clap clap oh IRELAND GRANDSLAM WINNERS WOOHOOOO LOL

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Bringing drink and encryption change together is the best analogy I have seen anywhere :)

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Originally posted by sc0user:

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But honestly UPC have not taken N3 out on "loan" :) Encryption change will be carried out on this basis.

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Originally posted by cathaldub:

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A quick google
Manual Key Entry: Tune to channel 6001 by directly typing it in on the remote.

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Originally posted by ruprect:

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Originally posted by sc0user:

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Instead of saying when they switch to N3 it will not work, why not say great news on a working N2 fix?

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And who is to say they will switch to N3 at all? they are streaming it alright, but why did they bother with N2 at all?

Why waste time & effort and money on cards for N2 if it is going to change to N3? why not go direct from N1 to N3?

Remember it could be well in their interests to keep up an easily hackable system, yet appear to be trying to do something. People still have basic subs, the bulk of the premium fees probably goes to those companies running the stations.

An analogy would be me opening a nightclub and Guinness feeding in a limitless pipeline of beer which will not be monitored. Now Guinness tell me they want ?2 for every pint sold and I get ?0.30 profit on each one. Now if I charge ?10 into my club and just turn a blind eye to people pouring free pints then I will get lots of customers only coming in to get the free beer. Doesn't bother me, I still get my ?10 at the door from everybody and the honest customers still pay for pints. The real losers are Guinness, they might know I am not putting much protection in and ask me to do something about it, or else they will refuse to supply me. So I get a new security man in just to look like I am doing something.

I imagine N3 costs more than N2, I wonder if they can afford it and if it is just "on loan" at the moment. They stand to lose a massive amount of customers if they turn boxes off, people will go to sky out of spite (and better service!) or change to freesat, especially in todays economic climate.

edit: Reading more it seems the new cards are all N3, and the new DVR box was N2 and new cards should be sent out for them. But I dunno why they are not out already along with the others.

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Originally posted by fergusrb:

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even thought you can see the manual entry you will not be able to use manual entry for N2 so you will still have to put software on the box

you will also not be able to see n2 keys either in there just letting you know in case you are thinking its just a matter of getting the numbers from that for another box the keys will be exactly the same

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Originally posted by Viewer:

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Originally posted by ruprect:

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Originally posted by sc0user:

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Instead of saying when they switch to N3 it will not work, why not say great news on a working N2 fix?

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And who is to say they will switch to N3 at all? they are streaming it alright, but why did they bother with N2 at all?

Why waste time & effort and money on cards for N2 if it is going to change to N3? why not go direct from N1 to N3?

Remember it could be well in their interests to keep up an easily hackable system, yet appear to be trying to do something. People still have basic subs, the bulk of the premium fees probably goes to those companies running the stations.

An analogy would be me opening a nightclub and Guinness feeding in a limitless pipeline of beer which will not be monitored. Now Guinness tell me they want ?2 for every pint sold and I get ?0.30 profit on each one. Now if I charge ?10 into my club and just turn a blind eye to people pouring free pints then I will get lots of customers only coming in to get the free beer. Doesn't bother me, I still get my ?10 at the door from everybody and the honest customers still pay for pints. The real losers are Guinness, they might know I am not putting much protection in and ask me to do something about it, or else they will refuse to supply me. So I get a new security man in just to look like I am doing something.

I imagine N3 costs more than N2, I wonder if they can afford it and if it is just "on loan" at the moment. They stand to lose a massive amount of customers if they turn boxes off, people will go to sky out of spite (and better service!) or change to freesat, especially in todays economic climate.

edit: Reading more it seems the new cards are all N3, and the new DVR box was N2 and new cards should be sent out for them. But I dunno why they are not out already along with the others.

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As many have said, ruprect, that is a great analogy.
I just wonder how it fits in to the present situation where Susanta
related channels seem to be disappearing.
Surely the likes of Racing UK would not have a huge following, and you would wonder why it could not have been left alone.
I am sure that there are channels with far higher viewing figures.
As the Sly sports channels are still there, thankfully, it would seem as if the pressure is coming more from Susanta.
Would you agree?
Well done again on the analogy which explains a lot that has happened.

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Originally posted by fergusrb:

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have you not been reading its because they have moved them up to the new encryption thats why

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