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article published on 31 March, 2009
Sony America has announced that they will be cutting the price of the aging PlayStation 2 console by over 20 percent to $99.99 USD beginning tomorrow.
The company hopes the new deal will help push the lifespan of the console, which has sold almost 140 million units since its launch in late 2000.
The PS2 will now retail for $300 USD less than the cheapest PlayStation 3 model, which ... [ read the full article ]
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Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
The 32X and the bad mistakes with the Saturn is what did the most damage to them.
Along with the SegaCD add-on & SegaCDX standalone. These REALLY helped it along because of no consumer interest whatsoever. I really wish Sega would have never made certain choices back then because it would have been a much better fight between Ninty, Sega & Sony actually PUSHING technology and home gaming/entertainment instead of unstable, over priced, standard off the shelf components with exorbitant accessories and online MP fees...but I digress.
I dunno the Sega CD was not sooo bad...but whatever issues it brought the 32X did made things worse.
Well MS was doing something new and needed the money for infrastructure since they were bleeding money building the brand.
I don't think any of them could have implemented a free online system at that time.
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As for the Saturn - PS3 connection, I can see & understand some of the similarities but the current amount sold (PS3), numerous studios support and track record Sony has in the console region totally negates any small connection those certain aspects compare.
I disagree the compressions are stark, Issues with design(hardware/code) and price, Issues with dev support and issues with slow sales.
Sony if they were paying attention learned some things from it and managed to try and do more with dev support but they still have a ton of issues and alot of damage from the price and design, but unlike Sega they have enough of a world wide fan base to muddle through until it takes off. Sony has yet to post a profit on the PS3.
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Yes anything can happen but it is extremely unlikely. If anything people should be more worrisome about MS & their losses incurred from the original Xbox (4+ Billion) and the current losses (1+ Billion & counting) from RROD (the original 3 lights and current E74, 1 light on the supposed NEW "RROD proof motherboards").
4B on the Xbox that got paid off before the 3B loss on the RROD, MS is a lulz fest indeed.
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On topic though I don't see the PS2 going away anytime soon for multiple reasons:
1) Continued studio support, remember 140+ Million PS2's have been sold to the public...that is a HUGE consumer base for businesses to tap.
2) New expansion in territories like India & Russia with big incentives for new studios in their respective locales (open source/platform for these areas Source 1, Source 2)
3) Sony still profiting off the PS2 (and PSP) which DEFINITELY helps to off set any losses from the PS3. Although they are close to, or already are, breaking even or very slightly profiting off the PS3 currently; because of manufacturing costs being cut from the jump from 90nm to 65nm and the removal of BC (Source 1, Source 2, Source 3) add that to the 08 fiscal year earnings/sales/profits and there isn't as much doom & gloom as people love to make it out to be.
Most support for the PS2 will wane off in 3 or less years as most companies can not afford just selling a game to the PS2, PS2 and WII maybe and that just might push more life out of the PS2 but frankly with Sony and their new 2K dev kit that can port most of the code to the 360 I see more effort on PS360 in the coming years unles there is a huge change in the industry..
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4. April 2009 @ 11:34 |
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Sony has yet to post a profit on the PS3.
While on paper or lack of confirmation you are correct, you have to look at the information provided by them about their cost cutting measures and how it has helped profitability for the Playstation line of products as a whole. It's well known that they are close to or already are breaking even with the PS3 since the sources I provided are quite a few months old already. Not a definitive yes, but Sony is after profitability over market share in these financial times (Source 1, Source 2) and we all know Sony are in it for the long haul with a 10 year plan which is prefaced by the success of the PS2's near decade dominance.
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
4B on the Xbox that got paid off before the 3B loss on the RROD, MS is a lulz fest indeed.
From my understanding they have never gotten past the 4 Billion debt incurred by the original Xbox (and where never expected to so it was just absorbed and swept under the carpet). Could you post any links/info that shows different? Also for the 3 Billion in RROD, as all my searching and info has always had it at 1+ Billion and counting.
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Most support for the PS2 will wane off in 3 or less years as most companies can not afford just selling a game to the PS2, PS2 and WII maybe and that just might push more life out of the PS2 but frankly with Sony and their new 2K dev kit that can port most of the code to the 360 I see more effort on PS360 in the coming years unles there is a huge change in the industry..
I absolutely agree with the 3 years or less time frame (which is not anytime soon ;) but that could be different in less developed territories that still want/need an inexpensive option. I also agree about the new dev kits and their pricing helping ease the current state of ports and coding for PS360 multi plat titles. It's a no brainer for a business to cover as much of an audience as possible in these financial times (I won't even get into the cost saving benefits of dev'ing on the PS3 first to port over to the 360 here).
The only huge change in the industry I see happening is MS dropping the 360 in the next 1-2 years coming out with their "NextBox" and shafting their customers again just as they did with the Xbox after only 4 years of support. Planned Obsolescence comes to mind in this situation...
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4. April 2009 @ 11:55 |
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That's the line with M$ .. "planned obsolescence"
They never release anything cutting edge to market. It's always old code and old tech... Keeps the sheeple buying.
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4. April 2009 @ 11:56 |
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Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Sony has yet to post a profit on the PS3.
While on paper or lack of confirmation you are correct, you have to look at the information provided by them about their cost cutting measures and how it has helped profitability for the Playstation line of products as a whole. It's well known that they are close to or already are breaking even with the PS3 since the sources I provided are quite a few months old already. Not a definitive yes, but Sony is after profitability over market share in these financial times (Source 1, Source 2) and we all know Sony are in it for the long haul with a 10 year plan which is prefaced by the success of the PS2's near decade dominance.
I dunno the 360 has dominated well in the US and the EU and from what I have heard they did make a profit off unit sales of the 360 at least before the RROD thing came up.
Sony should do well in the days ahead mostly in another year or 2, the 360 is aged and the WII if limited if it dose not start focusing on real games.
The WII still rules them all they have more profit than the PS360 combined, but that's mostly due to profit off unit sales even if they wane they have made more than most consoles do in a 3-4 year time frame so they are set.
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From my understanding they have never gotten past the 4 Billion debt incurred by the original Xbox (and where never expected to so it was just absorbed and swept under the carpet). Could you post any links/info that shows different? Also for the 3 Billion in RROD, as all my searching and info has always had it at 1+ Billion and counting.
I'll have to do some digging in my links I might have it I did some research on the 360 RROD thing but from what I recall they were making a profit before or as the RROD thing was coming to light.
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I absolutely agree with the 3 years or less time frame (which is not anytime soon ;) but that could be different in less developed territories that still want/need an inexpensive option. I also agree about the new dev kits and their pricing helping ease the current state of ports and coding for PS360 multi plat titles. It's a no brainer for a business to cover as much of an audience as possible in these financial times (I won't even get into the cost saving benefits of dev'ing on the PS3 first to port over to the 360 here).
Sony is getting it and MS is sticking to their ineptitude but they still has a large fan base witch will serve them well..
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The only huge change in the industry I see happening is MS dropping the 360 in the next 1-2 years coming out with their "NextBox" and shafting their customers again just as they did with the Xbox after only 4 years of support. Planned Obsolescence comes to mind in this situation...
I have been told that was a licensing issue with nivida when they jumped to ATI, that and time constraints did not allow them to to make it BWC, its better than oh snap lets rip it out because we fcked up. :P
I believe that the nextbox will have better BWC look at Windose 7 they are learning!! :P
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4. April 2009 @ 15:57 |
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Originally posted by varnull:
That's the line with M$ .. "planned obsolescence"
They never release anything cutting edge to market. It's always old code and old tech... Keeps the sheeple buying.
I couldn't have said it any better myself.
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
I dunno the 360 has dominated well in the US and the EU and from what I have heard they did make a profit off unit sales of the 360 at least before the RROD thing came up.
Sony should do well in the days ahead mostly in another year or 2, the 360 is aged and the WII if limited if it dose not start focusing on real games.
The WII still rules them all they have more profit than the PS360 combined, but that's mostly due to profit off unit sales even if they wane they have made more than most consoles do in a 3-4 year time frame so they are set.
US yes, but the EU is definitely not a clear lead for the 360 (despite a 16 month lead Source 1, Source 2, Source 3 and while that info is a bit old the overall sales in the EU for Sony month after month since then has been consistently topping MS) in JP the PS3 is hands down above MS and the same goes for the Aussies so in the world wide stage the standings are clearer when looked at like this
US
1) Wii
2) 360
3) PS3
EU
1) Wii
2) PS3
3) 360
JP
1) Wii
2) PS3
3) 360
AUS
1) Wii
2) PS3
3) 360
#1 - Wii with 4 top spots
#2 - PS3 with 3 2nd place spots & 1 3rd place
#3 - 360 with 3 last place spots & 1 2nd place
Even if you where to say that the EU is a toss up or to play fair a tie (because of a lack of "NPD-Famitsu/Chartget" so we have to go by the 3 console makers numbers themselves for bean counting) that still keeps the standings the same. But you throw in RROD "estimates" worldwide and the PS3's rock solid 0.5-2% sub industry standard failure rate...well, it makes for a great discussion to say the least!
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Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by varnull:
That's the line with M$ .. "planned obsolescence"
They never release anything cutting edge to market. It's always old code and old tech... Keeps the sheeple buying.
I couldn't have said it any better myself.
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
I dunno the 360 has dominated well in the US and the EU and from what I have heard they did make a profit off unit sales of the 360 at least before the RROD thing came up.
Sony should do well in the days ahead mostly in another year or 2, the 360 is aged and the WII if limited if it dose not start focusing on real games.
The WII still rules them all they have more profit than the PS360 combined, but that's mostly due to profit off unit sales even if they wane they have made more than most consoles do in a 3-4 year time frame so they are set.
US yes, but the EU is definitely not a clear lead for the 360 (despite a 16 month lead Source 1, Source 2, Source 3 and while that info is a bit old the overall sales in the EU for Sony month after month since then has been consistently topping MS) in JP the PS3 is hands down above MS and the same goes for the Aussies so in the world wide stage the standings are clearer when looked at like this
US
1) Wii
2) 360
3) PS3
EU
1) Wii
2) PS3
3) 360
JP
1) Wii
2) PS3
3) 360
AUS
1) Wii
2) PS3
3) 360
#1 - Wii with 4 top spots
#2 - PS3 with 3 2nd place spots & 1 3rd place
#3 - 360 with 3 last place spots & 1 2nd place
Even if you where to say that the EU is a toss up or to play fair a tie (because of a lack of "NPD-Famitsu/Chartget" so we have to go by the 3 console makers numbers themselves for bean counting) that still keeps the standings the same. But you throw in RROD "estimates" worldwide and the PS3's rock solid 0.5-2% sub industry standard failure rate...well, it makes for a great discussion to say the least!
Well I mean by dominate pre ps3, the WII dose not quite effect the 360 market at least not at first.
You can lower the 360 numbers by 30% world wide and distribute the numbers out everywhere evenly and the 360 still has alot of support.
Its pretty clear the 360 is slipping in its place as both the WII and PS3 mature its only a matter of time before the 360 dies in some fashion.
What should really be interesting to see if the 360 starts losing devs/exclusives(particularly Jrpgs) to the PS3 since sony released their new 2K dev kit.
I think Sony leveled the playing field with that manuver now if they drop the price 100$ they will have a flood of people coming to them.
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
What should really be interesting to see if the 360 starts losing devs/exclusives(particularly Jrpgs) to the PS3 since sony released their new 2K dev kit.
I think Sony leveled the playing field with that manuver now if they drop the price 100$ they will have a flood of people coming to them.
Losing them is not even that big of a deal...kinda, as they don't have much support anyway! Comparative to Ninty & especially Sony. Just look at how sparse 08's lineup of games where for MS and how 09 is looking even worse.
I believe a price drop is exactly what the PS3 needs to REALLY get things moving but I don't see that happening at least for a few more months while manufacturing cost drop even more and the ramp up for the holiday season 09 + AAA titles get released like Modern Warfare 2, Uncharted 2, GT5, MAG, Heavy Rain, GoW3 to name just a minimal few that are coming for later this year. Though there might just be a drop to $350 way before the holiday season but that is a slim possibility.
The bottom line is that there are too many variables and possibilities for all console manufacturers at any one time! And while certain things I say have an anti MS ere to them; it's just that their business model & practices since day one starting with Windows screw EVERYONE over (especially consumers so I have an inherent disdain for them ;) that I think anyone on aD can agree with lol). But the honest truth is you can't underestimate a company with an ungodly VAST amount of money behind them who are absolutely dead set on controlling our living rooms and the content that is tied to that device that they can profit on by any means necessary...
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Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
What should really be interesting to see if the 360 starts losing devs/exclusives(particularly Jrpgs) to the PS3 since sony released their new 2K dev kit.
I think Sony leveled the playing field with that manuver now if they drop the price 100$ they will have a flood of people coming to them.
Losing them is not even that big of a deal...kinda, as they don't have much support anyway! Comparative to Ninty & especially Sony. Just look at how sparse 08's lineup of games where for MS and how 09 is looking even worse.
I believe a price drop is exactly what the PS3 needs to REALLY get things moving but I don't see that happening at least for a few more months while manufacturing cost drop even more and the ramp up for the holiday season 09 + AAA titles get released like Modern Warfare 2, Uncharted 2, GT5, MAG, Heavy Rain, GoW3 to name just a minimal few that are coming for later this year.
The bottom line is that there are too many variables and possibilities for all console manufacturers at any one time! And while certain things I say have an anti MS ere to them; it's just that their business model & practices since day one starting with Windows screw EVERYONE over (especially consumers so I have an inherent disdain for them ;) that I think anyone on aD can agree with lol). But the honest truth is you can't underestimate a company with an ungodly VAST amount of money behind them who are absolutely dead set on controlling our living rooms and the content that is tied to that device that they can profit on by any means necessary...
Don't they(and games lie them that are starting to come out on the the 360 first or only) fire up the Asian market?
MS dose well in the US with its mindless twitch fests dose so so in the UK but those JP and Asian deved games( secondary or no) tend to do better in the somewhat vital Asian markets, the 360 has been making some ground in that respect but sony has set them up the bomb once it goes off the 360 will be buried under a mountain.
Every little bit of momentum lost for the 360 is one more nail in its coffin.
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the 360 isn't going anywhere, its backed by a multi billion dollar giant. MS and Sony will be At it till one falls or gives up, and Sony is looking really grim.
I don't even use my 360 that much anymore since i upgraded my computer.
i do use it however for those really bad ports. im looking forward for the new Star Ocean on 360
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Originally posted by DXR88:
the 360 isn't going anywhere, its backed by a multi billion dollar giant. MS and Sony will be At it till one falls or gives up, and Sony is looking really grim.
I don't even use my 360 that much anymore since i upgraded my computer.
i do use it however for those really bad ports. im looking forward for the new Star Ocean on 360
Its not a port though :P
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it's just that their business model & practices since day one starting with Windows screw EVERYONE over (especially consumers so I have an inherent disdain for them ;) that I think anyone on aD can agree with lol). But the honest truth is you can't underestimate a company with an ungodly VAST amount of money behind them who are absolutely dead set on controlling our living rooms and the content that is tied to that device that they can profit on by any means necessary...
I believe you typoed there, that is Apple...the most anti-consumer company on the planet.
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Originally posted by DVDBack23:
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it's just that their business model & practices since day one starting with Windows screw EVERYONE over (especially consumers so I have an inherent disdain for them ;) that I think anyone on aD can agree with lol). But the honest truth is you can't underestimate a company with an ungodly VAST amount of money behind them who are absolutely dead set on controlling our living rooms and the content that is tied to that device that they can profit on by any means necessary...
I believe you typoed there, that is Apple...the most anti-consumer company on the planet.
You're right in that, but Apple (and even Sony to an extent) has been more of an issue in recent years. More so than MS (since the early 80's) with their business model of stealing/copying/ripping people off and screwing consumers with blatantly crappy products without any accountability.
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