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Woman kills child after he interrupts her 'Farmville' gaming
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article published on 28 October, 2010
Alexandra Tobias of Florida has plead guilty to murder today, months after killing her 3-month-old son for interrupting her game of Farmville.
Farmville is a game on Facebook where users own their own farms and interact with other farm owners from around the world.
In January, Tobias was playing the computer game and became angry after her baby Dylan started crying.
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29. October 2010 @ 18:15 |
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I'm not claiming they do, but it's more common than most people know.
Mostly I'm just trying to get some of these idiots to use their brains.
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I am sure she was probably thinking about killing that poor baby long before she actually did it.
To say this would imply intent to kill which would mean it was premeditated hence changing the charge to first degree murder, which was evident that it was planned or intended.
Also for you to say something like this also suggest you don't have kids. Do you have any idea what its like to have a crying baby scream for hours no matter if you sing, feed, change, dance, massage their back, walk and nothing still works! It can crawl under the most sane calm person's skin who had no history of violence what-so-ever.
You are incorrect. I do know what its like to have a baby scream and cry for hours on end and having to sit up all night so don't think you know anything about me. It is because I have had to deal with that and on more than one occasion that gives me no sympathy for anyone who would kill a child for any reason. Its you who seems like you're on the outside looking in if you think such an inconvenience warrants murder.
If anyone says they didn't have dark thoughts about their kids at one point in time ever and more than once then they would be lying. That's not premeditation. It doesn't have to be as gruesome as wanting to kill them but to leave them or beat some sense into them etc but even the most tolerant parent has felt that way at one point in time.
It is one thing to think about it, another to eventually carry it out. She should have gotten the death penalty. Saying she got frustrated or was having possible mental issues is not an excuse. Nothing can explain away the fact that she murdered her own baby. What's to stop her from getting mad at someone else and deciding to kill someone for it? She's a menace to society. Normal people don't kill others simply because they were being annoyed.
If anything the punishment for something like this needs to be much more severe. If you want to act like an animal you should be treated like one instead of a person. I don't believe human rights and decency should apply to someone who kills children especially as they are completely helpless. IMO she should be stoned to death for what she did simply because a quicker death would be too good. You don't just snap and decide to kill a baby no matter what sort of strain you are under. That's what makes you a person and not a dog in the street. I believe it is the social apathy for these sort of crimes that ruin us all and make us less as a species. To each his/her own I guess.
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Originally posted by hikaricor:
I'm not claiming they do, but it's more common than most people know.
Mostly I'm just trying to get some of these idiots to use their brains.
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29. October 2010 @ 20:40 |
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Its you who seems like you're on the outside looking in if you think such an inconvenience warrants murder.
Where did I say it warrants murder? I said it's not first degree, that she didn't do it with intent. Are you really that fucking blind you put words in peoples sentences when all you have to do is read the response? Not to mention in every response I have issued I said she deserves punishment but not being labeled as a monster until we know more.
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If anyone says they didn't have dark thoughts about their kids at one point in time ever and more than once then they would be lying. That's not premeditation. It doesn't have to be as gruesome as wanting to kill them but to leave them or beat some sense into them etc but even the most tolerant parent has felt that way at one point in time.
This is the most spot-on thing you said yet; what separates humans from monsters is the ability to separate thoughts into actions. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. However, just because you did do something, doesn't mean you had control. Until the case starts underway and a more detailed report is out, we don't know anything of what happened. This was my original point, we can't judge a scenario that can happen to anyone, even you.
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Normal people don't kill others simply because they were being annoyed.
Define normal? Google parents that killed their children and see for yourself just how many there have been in the last decade. Normal people by definition are simply those who are accepted into society as a whole, with no clear indication of any faults deemed unacceptable. Before now, have you even heard of this woman? How do you know she wasn't "normal"
It's comment like these that tick me off, because people who judge often have flaws themselves. So you haven't committed murder, accidental on purpose or otherwise, but you never know what could happen to you, so again as I pointed out earlier, who are we to judge, we are not god.
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IMO she should be stoned to death for what she did simply because a quicker death would be too good.
So because she shook her child, her penalty should be a greater painful sense of violence. Now that's the way to educate our next generation. Closet sociopath much? Perhaps not, it's not for me to judge, but sentences like that don't help for your case either.
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Originally posted by Ryoohki:
Originally posted by Mysttic:
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I am sure she was probably thinking about killing that poor baby long before she actually did it.
To say this would imply intent to kill which would mean it was premeditated hence changing the charge to first degree murder, which was evident that it was planned or intended.
Also for you to say something like this also suggest you don't have kids. Do you have any idea what its like to have a crying baby scream for hours no matter if you sing, feed, change, dance, massage their back, walk and nothing still works! It can crawl under the most sane calm person's skin who had no history of violence what-so-ever.
You are incorrect. I do know what its like to have a baby scream and cry for hours on end and having to sit up all night so don't think you know anything about me. It is because I have had to deal with that and on more than one occasion that gives me no sympathy for anyone who would kill a child for any reason. Its you who seems like you're on the outside looking in if you think such an inconvenience warrants murder.
If anyone says they didn't have dark thoughts about their kids at one point in time ever and more than once then they would be lying. That's not premeditation. It doesn't have to be as gruesome as wanting to kill them but to leave them or beat some sense into them etc but even the most tolerant parent has felt that way at one point in time.
It is one thing to think about it, another to eventually carry it out. She should have gotten the death penalty. Saying she got frustrated or was having possible mental issues is not an excuse. Nothing can explain away the fact that she murdered her own baby. What's to stop her from getting mad at someone else and deciding to kill someone for it? She's a menace to society. Normal people don't kill others simply because they were being annoyed.
If anything the punishment for something like this needs to be much more severe. If you want to act like an animal you should be treated like one instead of a person. I don't believe human rights and decency should apply to someone who kills children especially as they are completely helpless. IMO she should be stoned to death for what she did simply because a quicker death would be too good. You don't just snap and decide to kill a baby no matter what sort of strain you are under. That's what makes you a person and not a dog in the street. I believe it is the social apathy for these sort of crimes that ruin us all and make us less as a species. To each his/her own I guess.
I don't think anybody is trying to explain it away or excuse her actions, but what kind of a society would we be if we didn't try to explain it at all, or understand the underlying cause. Your own personal mental health and her mental health are two very different things. Unless you've walked in her shoes, you can't possibly know that she could have prevented what she did. She could have been repeatedly raped by a relative when she was young. The baby may be the result of a rape. She could have grown up in an environment where she was physically and emotionally abused and around drug use. Unless you were physically and emotionally abused the same way or worse, you can't sit back and pass judgement. She may have not have had the support system to see tell tale signs of something wrong brewing. She may have not had access to quality health care to assist her in dealing with overwhelming feelings of hopeless despair. She did act like an animal, but that may be the result of being treated like an animal all her life. If that is all she knows, then it is very likely that the cycle will continue with her own children. I think it's ironic that we feel so sorry for an abused child, yet when that child grows older and acts out based on all they know, we are quick to lose all compassion and start casting stones. In fact, I feel that your response to her actions is rather animalistic. And to correct you, she doesn't kill children. She killed her child. And to correct you again, yes, people do snap. In case you didn't know this, the human body is composed of many complex chemicals that can alter actions and judgement when not balanced.
Violence against children is never justified, but it can be explained. The bottom line is that she took a life. She should be punished to the full extent of the law. My heart breaks for that child. While it also breaks for the mother, it doesn't excuse her.
I've had dark thoughts about my children at times. Thoughts that have scared me. They were fleeting, but they scared me. My wife suffered from PPD after our second baby. She had violent thoughts but never acted out on them and would spend many long hours crying on my shoulder. A support system is extremely important. I also credit each of our childhoods for helping us get through those rough years. We both came from loving families that guided us through life and were still there for us as adults.
I understand depression and anger when it comes to raising newborns, and children in general. I've worked with agencies that rescued children from abusive and dangerous environments. They were in low-income neighborhoods, so statistically, the odds were stacked against them. The cases I was exposed to still haunt me to this day. Even though my wife and I have children and made it through what we thought were the roughest times of our lives and marriage, there is no way that I can say that I would never have committed a crime against my children if I were raised in a different environment. I'll never know. All I know is that the person that I am now is someone who would never have done (or will never do) something like that.
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I am not trying to be insensitive, but I do have two children and they cry for a reason. It may not always be a good reason, but if you identify the reason and then eliminate it they stop crying. She could have easily taken a break from the game, identified the cause of the crying, did whatever it was that the child needed in order for the crying to stop, and then went back to the game.
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whats wrong with the world today is there are to many humanitarians.
you shouldn't go to prison get fed 3 square meals a day watch tv and lounge in a cell. you should get the ever loveing shit beat out of you every day, until times up. and not by inmates but by the guards.
if you murder someone, the day your found guilty is the day you die. no drugs either. a simple 5 cent bullet to the brain or heart will suffice.
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Originally posted by rammstein:
I am not trying to be insensitive, but I do have two children and they cry for a reason. It may not always be a good reason, but if you identify the reason and then eliminate it they stop crying. She could have easily taken a break from the game, identified the cause of the crying, did whatever it was that the child needed in order for the crying to stop, and then went back to the game.
u r 100% right take a frakking break and take care of the baby and then go back to your stupid game
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Originally posted by DXR88:
whats wrong with the world today is there are to many humanitarians.
you shouldn't go to prison get fed 3 square meals a day watch tv and lounge in a cell. you should get the ever loveing shit beat out of you every day, until times up. and not by inmates but by the guards.
if you murder someone, the day your found guilty is the day you die. no drugs either. a simple 5 cent bullet to the brain or heart will suffice.
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Killing someone over a murder will never stop it, it will keep the cycle going forever.
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All over Farmville, I mean I can see Killing over Peggle but freakin' Farmville, come on.
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cannabis is a gateway drug,
Now you see there is where I can argue a bit. All I was point out was cannabis isn't a gateway to cause violence. Oh sure drug lords can be violent if they don't get paid. Sure Cannabis is an escape from the reality of one's stress and is not any more healthy than alcohol or sex for that matter. But in no way shape or form can it cause anyone to be violent, quite the opposite in fact. That's all I saying. Does it make society better? Well first off I never claimed it did, so no need to defend or argue it. My point was strictly name me one case where a person got high of cannabis than killed someone, let alone get violent *which is possible, but not as likely* unless it was laced with some higher more dangerous form of contraband.
Otherwise WW3, I recognize intelligence where I see it, and I can agree with all other of your arguments presented to me.
does this count?
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it's all cannabis, alcohol and sex. there is no dignity in people like her, ROT IN HELL!
why is sex even in that category? there is nothing negative about it
Without sex there would be no children; without children there would be no adults...therefor, sex could be blamed for everything that man kind has ever done.
As for Cannabis, I assume you meant Marijuana, and not hemp? Not sure how this even applies to the story anyway...she smoked tobacco between baby shakes...if she had smoked marijuana, the second shake would not have happened. Perhaps we should blame Tobacco? Or maybe farmville, or Facebook, or god for giving her the arms that she used to kill her child? All of these would make a lot more sense than blaming the plant that was used to make the twine inside her couch (Cannabis), or the additive that makes her car run cleaner (alcohol).
yes, i meant pot, when i was talking about sex i meant the garbage that the porn belt puts out, the porn belt being san franfreakshow and Hollywood.
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Originally posted by toked:
Farmville is a gateway drug.
o.0 i see what you did there. .. >.>
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
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I've complete given up online gaming now..only casual games.
Farmville is a casual game...it is the very definition of casual game.
Yeah and that's the ironic twist to this: She WASN'T playing a violent game just a casual game, so this tells me that their was a few marbles loose in her head even before she started playing the damn game. Even though we may not fully know why she did it, the point is that she shook her baby not once but twice. The girl should have used common sense and should've thought what she was doing to her child. It's people like this who don't need to be having kids in the first place, IMHO.
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Originally posted by DXR88:
whats wrong with the world today is there are to many humanitarians.
you shouldn't go to prison get fed 3 square meals a day watch tv and lounge in a cell. you should get the ever loveing shit beat out of you every day, until times up. and not by inmates but by the guards.
if you murder someone, the day your found guilty is the day you die. no drugs either. a simple 5 cent bullet to the brain or heart will suffice.
I agree with that, waste of taxpayers money keeping her locked up for 25years.
As for the women if she wasnt fit to look after her baby she should of got someone to babysit a friend of a family member maybe even a neighbour as a last resort.
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Originally posted by ROMaster2:
Originally posted by DXR88:
whats wrong with the world today is there are to many humanitarians.
you shouldn't go to prison get fed 3 square meals a day watch tv and lounge in a cell. you should get the ever loveing shit beat out of you every day, until times up. and not by inmates but by the guards.
if you murder someone, the day your found guilty is the day you die. no drugs either. a simple 5 cent bullet to the brain or heart will suffice.
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Killing someone over a murder will never stop it, it will keep the cycle going forever.
Again i fail to see you point... should a be like. awww poor murderer slaughtered a little boy and his momma don't worry i'll take care of you. i'll buy your meals, your bedding, your cloths,your Cable TV, your books. you know what i feel so sorry for you ill give you a play ground where you and your murdering buddy's can shoot hoops, lift wights, and talk about the could old killing days.
if you've been found guilty of murder with solid evidence against you, you get a priest and 24 hours to live.
it'll save millions of tax dollars every year. inmate population downfall would leave some prisons empty, these prisons could be turned into homeless shelters. the millions saved could be used to feed the hungry within the facility.
where taking care of all the wrong people.
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She should be sentenced to hang and have her hanging posted on the web.
ALSO,
Marijuana is NOT a gateway drug. Think about it...Tobacco and Alcohol are the real gateway drugs.
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Man only twenty-five to fifty years for killing a child, but if you commit securities fraud you get a life sentence and die in prison.
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Originally posted by DXR88:
Again i fail to see you point... should a be like. awww poor murderer slaughtered a little boy and his momma don't worry i'll take care of you. i'll buy your meals, your bedding, your cloths,your Cable TV, your books. you know what i feel so sorry for you ill give you a play ground where you and your murdering buddy's can shoot hoops, lift wights, and talk about the could old killing days.
if you've been found guilty of murder with solid evidence against you, you get a priest and 24 hours to live.
it'll save millions of tax dollars every year. inmate population downfall would leave some prisons empty, these prisons could be turned into homeless shelters. the millions saved could be used to feed the hungry within the facility.
where taking care of all the wrong people.
A man after my own heart. I think the world would be a better place if murderers were given the death penalty and it took days instead of years to actually execute them. The main reason murder is so common is because the penalty is light considering. You get meals and housing and you will probably grow old and die in prison even if you happen to be on death row considering the length of time before you run out of appeals and someone's screw up in procedure could get you released when you were absolutely guilty. They count on that.
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She looks like she has the intelligence of a flea. She MIGHT BE a Crackhead. Lots of violence in Florida. Auto weapons used to be/are? sold there. Smoking pot will make a person feel violent at times. It can amplify your feelings or environment.
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Some of you people are really really off the beaten path here.. Executing someone for manslaughter? Are you on crack? Lets just look at this objectively. Woman A in a momentary lapse of sanity accidental kills her child by shaking it. Woman B locks her children in a car and drives it into a lake. You really truly and honestly believe that both of them should be treated exactly the same? I really really hope that you idiots are never in a position to make a live and death decision because that would be a travesty. You still don't understand that aside from a little bit of news coverage we know nothing about this case. Saying she deserves to die is more than harsh, it's retarded. Nothing is ever as simple as crime=punishment and claiming anything to the contrary only shows pure ignorance.
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Originally posted by hikaricor:
Some of you people are really really off the beaten path here.. Executing someone for manslaughter? Are you on crack? Lets just look at this objectively. Woman A in a momentary lapse of sanity accidental kills her child by shaking it. Woman B locks her children in a car and drives it into a lake. You really truly and honestly believe that both of them should be treated exactly the same? I really really hope that you idiots are never in a position to make a live and death decision because that would be a travesty. You still don't understand that aside from a little bit of news coverage we know nothing about this case. Saying she deserves to die is more than harsh, it's retarded. Nothing is ever as simple as crime=punishment and claiming anything to the contrary only shows pure ignorance.
both Women A & B have a reason for there actions, they had time to reconsider that action, both are murderers and deserve no remorse or pity. they sure didn't show there children any.
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Originally posted by DRX88:
Again I fail to see your point... You should be like ?Awe poor murderer slaughtered a little boy and his momma don't worry I?ll take care of you. I?ll buy your meals, your bedding, your cloths, your Cable TV, your books. you know what i feel so sorry for you I?ll give you a playground where you and your murdering buddies can shoot hoops, lift weights, and talk about the could old killing days.?
If you've been found guilty of murder with solid evidence against you, you get a priest and 24 hours to live.
It?ll save millions of tax dollars every year. Inmate population downfall would leave some prisons empty; these prisons could be turned into homeless shelters. The millions saved could be used to feed the hungry within the facility.
Where taking care of all the wrong people.
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A man after my own heart. I think the world would be a better place if murderers were given the death penalty and it took days instead of years to actually execute them. The main reason murder is so common is because the penalty is light considering. You get meals and housing and you will probably grow old and die in prison even if you happen to be on death row considering the length of time before you run out of appeals and someone's screw up in procedure could get you released when you were absolutely guilty. They count on that.
You're trying to remove the issues all together rather than solving it. Hate to tell you, but even if it's instant death for simply jay-walking, you'll still have people do it. Fear is not a positive motivator, it only makes them oppressed. I'm opposed to capital punishment, even prison. You can still make even the most cold-hearted criminals into positive moral working citizens. You'll forever have the issue if you keep killing them for their crimes instead of fixing the source that's CAUSING it. I prefer the idea of a criminal rehabilitation, where they're essentially locked in a penitentiary, but they're analyzed by sociologists and psychologists who can find the issues that make the criminal do his 'evil deed.' Once you have a reasonable understanding of them, you can proceed to treat them as necessary. Yes, even well enough they can be considered an asset to society.
No, it's not unreasonable, we've just been used to our prison system which has worked for all these years; but with our advances in psychology it IS possible to 'fix' someone. Killing them is no better than the very act they committed, making you just as bad as them.
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Originally posted by DXR88:
Originally posted by hikaricor:
Some of you people are really really off the beaten path here.. Executing someone for manslaughter? Are you on crack? Lets just look at this objectively. Woman A in a momentary lapse of sanity accidental kills her child by shaking it. Woman B locks her children in a car and drives it into a lake. You really truly and honestly believe that both of them should be treated exactly the same? I really really hope that you idiots are never in a position to make a live and death decision because that would be a travesty. You still don't understand that aside from a little bit of news coverage we know nothing about this case. Saying she deserves to die is more than harsh, it's retarded. Nothing is ever as simple as crime=punishment and claiming anything to the contrary only shows pure ignorance.
both Women A & B have a reason for there actions, they had time to reconsider that action, both are murderers and deserve no remorse or pity. they sure didn't show there children any.
I can't take anyone seriously who doesn't know the difference between there and their.
You also clearly have no clue about how fragile infants are and blissfully ignored almost everything else I said.
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Originally posted by hikaricor:
Originally posted by DXR88:
Originally posted by hikaricor:
Some of you people are really really off the beaten path here.. Executing someone for manslaughter? Are you on crack? Lets just look at this objectively. Woman A in a momentary lapse of sanity accidental kills her child by shaking it. Woman B locks her children in a car and drives it into a lake. You really truly and honestly believe that both of them should be treated exactly the same? I really really hope that you idiots are never in a position to make a live and death decision because that would be a travesty. You still don't understand that aside from a little bit of news coverage we know nothing about this case. Saying she deserves to die is more than harsh, it's retarded. Nothing is ever as simple as crime=punishment and claiming anything to the contrary only shows pure ignorance.
both Women A & B have a reason for there actions, they had time to reconsider that action, both are murderers and deserve no remorse or pity. they sure didn't show there children any.
I can't take anyone seriously who doesn't know the difference between there and their.
You also clearly have no clue about how fragile infants are and blissfully ignored almost everything else I said.
I do believe its time we give it up, our beliefs and ideals are different.
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