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Droid 2 explodes, injuring Texas man
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The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 3 December, 2010
Aron Embry of Texas has claimed today that his brand new Droid 2 smartphone exploded while he was making a call this morning, injuring his ear, neck and face.
Says Embry: "I heard a pop. I didn't feel any pain initially. I pulled the phone down. I felt something dripping. I realized that it probably was blood. I went into the house and as I got into the bathroom and once I got to the ... [ read the full article ]
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Cheyan56
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5. December 2010 @ 15:30 |
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Goin fishing anyone?
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5. December 2010 @ 15:32 |
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First off no one here can enforce any punishment on either party so let?s get off the trial nonsense, this is not a court of law last I checked. This article is here for people to discuss and state their opinions right or wrong otherwise why even have the discussion, right!
20TONS says watch what you say but then says ?That's the beauty of free speech? talk about contradictions, please.
You can state your case one way or the other, people may find fault in that and let you know, which is how we learn or choose to not learn, but when you contradict yourself well that makes no sense then.
Now to rockjockey's comment as to Apple paying this guy off? Is that true? I didn?t see that anywhere in this article so again is it fact or fiction? If it is your belief then you should say Apple PROBABLY paid this guy to file suite or make a statement.
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alewis
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6. December 2010 @ 09:24 |
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My two cents (apologies, long post)
At 1.33 there is a very good shot of the phone. From that angle, there is NO external bulging of the screen or the case. None whatsoever. If the phone exploded, then there would be a 'bulge' somewhere. There is none.
It appears (only appears, as this may be an optical illusion) that there is indentation in the speaker area, consistent with force being applied externally to the area.
The damage is mainly located at the top of the phone, the cracks appear to radiate downwards from the speaker area. The large drack running from the lower righthand side up to the centre, and another from mid-edge to centre, are caused from a force different to that which caused the damage at the top of the screen, and as the cracks show they started from the edge and moved inwards. I'd suggest that this was damage sustained perhaps as a result of the phone being dropped. And as a result of a greater force than that which caused the damage to the top, as the cracks are deeper and longer.
The markings on the mans cheeks and neck? Well, we can't see the damage to his ear, so we cannot speculate if they are related. They look several days old, scabbed over for example. If we assume the phone did explode, given the locality of the damage (top of screen), and the juxtaposition of that area to the cheek and nech - its to hard to see how the cheeks and neck would have been damaged - there is no line-of-sight between the ear and the injuries, and fragments do not turn corners (although it is possible to follow contours).
Furthermore the marks would show a trajectory path, and if they remained in the skin would have a gouge that its shallow at one end and deeper at another, following the straight-line trajectory of the fragment.
Which neatly leads to the question, 'what fragments'? Fragments have to come from somewhere; frgaments of glass, frgaments of platsic casing. And the phone shows no sign of fragmentation at all. There are no missing pieces of phone nor screen, anywhere, in the front of the phone, nor the side that would be facing the nech. We cant see the r/h side, but there are no apparent protruding casing, consistent with an internal exploding force (think chestburster in Alien).
Finally, explosions do no work one-way. There is an equal force pushing in the other direction, in this case against his hand, which would have pushed it away from his head.
The blood marks are, imho, inconclusive. They are smeared, but then the phone has been handled several times.
My call - and I stress its only my opinion but I'm prepared to explain how I arrived at it - the phone suffered external damage.
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ddp
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6. December 2010 @ 12:15 |
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alewis, actually some explosions do only go 1 way & is caused by a shaped charge\directional blast.
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alewis
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6. December 2010 @ 12:33 |
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Thats not quite the same. Explosives follow the line of least resistance, but only to a degree. There is still a force in the opposite direction. A shaped charge, such as a cutting charge or a beehive boring charge operate by having a weaker charge face. This in turn (often a soft metal such as copper) forms a molten slug. The shape of the charge concentrates the force of the forward explosion, the slug assists with (or performs all of, it varies) the cutting.
There is still a not inconsiderable 'back blast'; which why Claymores, for example (which are directional) have a minimum safe range, as do the various cutting and boring charges. If you want to test it, feel free to stand behind a shaped charge... though I wouldn't recommend it :-)
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ddp
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6. December 2010 @ 12:43 |
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Quote:
Explosives follow the line of least resistance
then explain shaped charges used against battle tanks.
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alewis
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6. December 2010 @ 12:55 |
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What is to explain? The line of least resistance is the gap between the base of the charge, and the tank hull. A shaped charge
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Not meaning to teach you to suck eggs, if you consider the * as the propellant, the \/ as the charge liner, then the area between \/ is the area of least resistance. Off-route mines are a common example of this. A-T mines, such as the bar mine, all act inthe same way. The path of *least* resistance is upwards. RDK another - put simply, palletised demolition charges dropped on a bridge and initiated. MOST of the blast is wasted upwards and outwards, but sufficient charge will penetrate the bridge structure beneath. Hence why it is called "rapid demolition kit" and not "efficient demolition it"; it can be dropped off the back of a lorry, and initiators added, in a matter of minutes. Unlike precise cutting charges which need prior dem calcs, affixing to structure, precise det cord calcs, etc.
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6. December 2010 @ 16:13 |
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Originally posted by alewis:
What is to explain? The line of least resistance is the gap between the base of the charge, and the tank hull. A shaped charge
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Not meaning to teach you to suck eggs, if you consider the * as the propellant, the \/ as the charge liner, then the area between \/ is the area of least resistance. Off-route mines are a common example of this. A-T mines, such as the bar mine, all act inthe same way. The path of *least* resistance is upwards. RDK another - put simply, palletised demolition charges dropped on a bridge and initiated. MOST of the blast is wasted upwards and outwards, but sufficient charge will penetrate the bridge structure beneath. Hence why it is called "rapid demolition kit" and not "efficient demolition it"; it can be dropped off the back of a lorry, and initiators added, in a matter of minutes. Unlike precise cutting charges which need prior dem calcs, affixing to structure, precise det cord calcs, etc.
Very simple but excellent analogy on physics! So if you have a bubble towards one side of the battery face, which can happen, you have your gap (least amount or restriction) and therefore the burst will follow that direction.
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alewis
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6. December 2010 @ 18:21 |
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Yes, that could well be the case (no pun intended). Explosives are funny things; you can burn them, throw them, shoot them, and nothing happens (stable explosives, I hasten to add - I wouldn't do any of that with PETN). 8oz (200grams) of PE4/C4 is enough to wreck a power station, yet in other situations a tiny mistake in placing a charge and several pounds/kilos wont do the job.
One of the few times Hollywood 'got it right' - Jason Isaacs' character in Armageddon, explaining how it is relatively safe to ignite a firecracker in an open palm, but close one's fingers around it... no more fingers.
I'd be interested in the outcome. But will there be any interest in it...
FYI. There is no human problem that cannot be solved by the correct application of the appropriate amount of high explosive, the appropriate amount being derived by the formula 'P', where 'P' = PLENTY :-)
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6. December 2010 @ 19:27 |
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Ok, here's what I saw. There are DEFINITELY small shards of glass missing, around the speaker and from the cracks. Glass doesn't have to fully break thru/out to get small shards flying off of the surface, so the fact that there's no big holes in it is irrelevant. Look closely from about 25 seconds on and you can easily see a sizeable shard missing from the top crack near the end, and from around the speaker hole, as well as other little areas. Looking from 1:39 on you can easily see where shards of glass are missing as well. From that it looks like the speaker area sustained the most damage as it's quite pitted.
To the tune of 4 stitches tho...hmmm. I'm a 23 year Paramedic/Firefighter (Captain) and I have seen literally 1000's of glass cuts & very weird injuries, but for small shards like that to cause an injury worthy of stitches, they either were travelling at a very high velocity, or he rubbed at them in the wound (or the other scenario...faked).
To another poster, glass usually breaks from the weakest areas first, and the weakest areas are always around the edges and any holes cut into it, unless there's a faulty area in the glass itself. So the radiating cracks really don't tell you much here except there was pressure applied. What kind of pressure and where it originated is indeterminable from this video.
Excessive bleeding from the ear, scalp area is very common, there are extensive small capillaries in these areas and they can bleed like mad from small injuries.
As for the cause of this damage, it's impossible to determine from this short video, even for a trained eye (and I am highly trained in explosives), so I make no comment on the cause of this as that's pure speculation at this point. I'm sure it will be tested vigorously.
I'm sure we don't need C4, PETN or Claymore's to cause a small pressure wave either..;) (I think "explosion" is a poor choice of word here)
Even a small arc of a shorting wire in that area "could" cause enough pressure behind the glass to cause that damage, if the speaker area is well sealed (maybe??), I've definitely seen weirder things in my job. It also could be completely fake too, but it's not for us to determine in the AD courts, otherwise some in here would hang the poor bugger from the nearest IPod!
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alewis
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7. December 2010 @ 05:39 |
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@ChappyTTV
:-)
I was going to add at one point a comment along the line of "but I could well be wrong, and am prepared in advance to be first to eat my hat", but couldn't think of a concise way to phrase it. I think we are in agreement that pyro can behave perfectly unexpectedly, and pressure fronts can be affected in the most bizarre manner by the smallest anomaly (perfect example of chaos theory, not that I'd try it).
of course, all of this speculation; I'll ROFLMAO if android phones had a HESH effect defect though. There again, maybe the glass had been weakened by sunshine/cleaning fluid/etc, as you rightly say this is all speculation and opinion, and it isnt down to us.
Hang him from the nearest iPod - love it :-) But I can think of a better way
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7. December 2010 @ 11:45 |
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@alewis
LOL!
Yep, we can speculate all we want, be we just don't have the info or resources to judge with confidence.
Life is strange and full of strange...stuff (wanted to use another term there), and I've seen stuff that nobody could imagine happening, even me. As we both know, it's impossible to know anything for sure at this point.
Isn't it funny to hear how some can jump to inconclusive conclusions? ;)
BTW, I Love your formula for solving problems!
We blew up a school bus in the Police bomb pit here last summer, man was that ever COOL, but VERY sobering at the same time.Forensic investigation is damn hard work.
Later dude
Dave
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alewis
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7. December 2010 @ 13:26 |
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Dave :-)
Drop me a PM with an email address, we'll pull up a sandbag and swap stories - I dont think this is the place to mention how I caused a minor panic in BAOR >20 years ago by detonating off a "large nuclear simulator", or the effects of improvised AP weaponry on Fig 11 targets and any unfortunate livestock in the not-so-near vicinity!
Al
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ddp
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7. December 2010 @ 13:32 |
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alewis, 500+ tons of tnt or equivalent?
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alewis
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7. December 2010 @ 13:54 |
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Nah, 40gal oil drum on 6ft pickets, diesel/oil mix, couple boxes washing powder, and a few pounds of PE4. Not a huge bang, but the mushroom cloud reaches >1000ft and makes for very happy squaddies.
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7. December 2010 @ 15:40 |
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@Al
Will do dude.
I'm right in the middle of a new home move, take possession Dec 24...(dang expensive X-mas gift!!), and am swamped with all the little details involved ATM.
What's your squad?
I was in the Canadian Militia (reserves 71-74) with the Royal Regina Rifles (formerly the Regina Rifle Regiment), and then a St.SGT with Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry (PPCLI 3rd Batt. Airborne) as a Paratroop Instructor in CFB Edmonton AB. When they found out I was an experienced skydiver since 72, they called me in 76 and asked if I wanted to do a special 1 yr enlistment to help instruct, with rank adjustment. We were a Mechanized Brigade and did tons of explosives training too, twas literally a Blast on many days.
Gotta run, lots of stuff to do.
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7. December 2010 @ 17:31 |
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Wow Chappy talk about having your hands full..not to mention being in the "Pat's" Bet you've got a LOT of stories to tell! :-D
The Problem With The Genepool Is That There Are No Lifeguards! ;-)
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alewis
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7. December 2010 @ 18:58 |
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I did as little as possible for 13 years ;-)
Royal Engineers. Visited the worlds septic spots, blew up perfectly good bridges, then built replacement ones next to them. Usually in the rain, often very cold, and always very tired. But you have PM
Good luck with the house move. I think I moved 18times in 13 years when "in", and 7 times since "out". Hate it, swear blind each time will be last!
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7. December 2010 @ 19:21 |
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Originally posted by XENON:
Wow Chappy talk about having your hands full..not to mention being in the "Pat's" Bet you've got a LOT of stories to tell! :-D
You know the Princess Pats eh! Must be Canuck...and/or somewhere near the Queen City, hockey wise ;) (Go Pats)
A few, many moons have passed since those days, but yah, a story or 2. Prolly the most memorable, and gory, was doing live fire exercise with 50cal M2 machine gun on tripod. One gunny had too many long cyclic bursts and got his barrel red hot. As he stopped to change barrels during a rotation, the gun cooked-off (ignition of rounds due to temp) and tore some poor fool downrange near in half.
But most of my time in the Pats was teaching the new canopy hawks how NOT to become a greasy stain on the tarmac haha!
Word to the wise here....NEVER, EVER, EVER, move near X-mas-New Years, and never walk in front of a hot, loaded M2!
BTW, how did we ever get so off-topic here?
Sorry Mods ;)
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7. December 2010 @ 22:16 |
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lol Chappy no not near the Queen City. Actually in Toronto.
But yeah I can imagine the poor schumck down range. garbage bags and toe tags!
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ddp
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7. December 2010 @ 22:23 |
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me, just south of barrie which is east of base borden.
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7. December 2010 @ 22:41 |
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Nice!!
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7. December 2010 @ 22:41 |
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Didya get a lot of snow ddp?
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ddp
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7. December 2010 @ 22:47 |
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close to a foot & still coming down.
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7. December 2010 @ 22:50 |
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We got maybe a bout half an inch just enough to get things white but that's it lol could be near london they got over 3 feet of the stuff!
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