Originally posted by themind:

---

Originally posted by hearme0:

---

Originally posted by da funk:

---

wait a tick. doesnt sony own blueray disks though? but since wiiU will be using blueray disks then that means they don't entirely own the blueray copyright. thats what im assuming now. too lazy to do reaserch for maself.

---

You need to get your eyes checked and read more closely!

The WiiU WILL NOT BE USING BLU-RAY DISCS. Time to "Not be too lazy to do the research yourself" and develop your spelling skills.

---

You need to check yourself and read all of the comments.

---

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

---

Nowhere did I argue that one?s preference based on games with Dildor was wrong, in fact I supported that view. This whole thing is about Dildor saying;

"Nintendo has had three chances to reclaim their dominance as a leader in the gaming industry since their highly acclaimed Super Nintendo/Famicom home console, and they have dropped the ball each time."

Nintendo didn't fail with the Wii period, you can't be considered it a failure when your number 1. So sales are a fact and are pertinent to this argument. And Azuran and you if this is your belief are wrong!

You need to go back read Dildors reply then read my reply and sit and really think about it instead of getting emotional over your preference and truly start looking at the big picture.

---

Originally posted by WierdName:

---

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

---

Nowhere did I argue that one?s preference based on games with Dildor was wrong, in fact I supported that view. This whole thing is about Dildor saying;

"Nintendo has had three chances to reclaim their dominance as a leader in the gaming industry since their highly acclaimed Super Nintendo/Famicom home console, and they have dropped the ball each time."

Nintendo didn't fail with the Wii period, you can't be considered it a failure when your number 1. So sales are a fact and are pertinent to this argument. And Azuran and you if this is your belief are wrong!

You need to go back read Dildors reply then read my reply and sit and really think about it instead of getting emotional over your preference and truly start looking at the big picture.

---

A) Not emotional. Haven't even used an exclamation point yet. Being implied as such is a bit annoying though.
B) I see where you're coming from now. However, the point still stands. A console can "drop the ball" and still be number one in sales. It all depends on how one defines dropping the ball. Dildor is addressing Nintendo's "dominance in the industry" and saying they dropped the ball. From the context it appears they are judging the ball dropping to be a lack of Nintendo following through with their innovations. If one were to define the lack of number one status with these conditions, it doesn't matter how many sales Nintendo makes. The miscommunication here appears to still be on the definition of number one.

---

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

---

If it doesn't matter how much they sell than nothing matters and there is no basis other than obscure opinion and that isn?t worth much. Sales DOES matter this truly can't be argued if one is disappointed they didn't do this or that fine but that doesn't make the Wii a failure as Dildor implied. If people thought the Wii was garbage then why is it number 1? It just doesn?t work that way so sorry but you're still wrong. Nothing is perfect, NOTHING, I can find fault in everything and will point out faults when I see them but just because something has faults don?t mean it is worthless or a failure. You are getting wrapped in the gray too much.

My point is true, well stated, and valid you can wish-wash around it and try to confuse the point but it is what it is. I find it ridiculous that I've wasted so much effort on such a simple point, but par for the course with some.

---

Originally posted by WierdName:

---

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

---

If it doesn't matter how much they sell than nothing matters and there is no basis other than obscure opinion and that isn?t worth much. Sales DOES matter this truly can't be argued if one is disappointed they didn't do this or that fine but that doesn't make the Wii a failure as Dildor implied. If people thought the Wii was garbage then why is it number 1? It just doesn?t work that way so sorry but you're still wrong. Nothing is perfect, NOTHING, I can find fault in everything and will point out faults when I see them but just because something has faults don?t mean it is worthless or a failure. You are getting wrapped in the gray too much.

My point is true, well stated, and valid you can wish-wash around it and try to confuse the point but it is what it is. I find it ridiculous that I've wasted so much effort on such a simple point, but par for the course with some.

---

I still think we're not on the same page. I'm not arguing for or against the Wii. I don't like it personally, but I could care less that it exists. I just won't get it. All I'm saying is that when factoring in more than just sales, some may consider it a failure. Without a real, defined goal of what success is by provable facts, failure is just opinion anyways. If one defines success as sales, the Wii wins. If one includes other factors, such as personal preferences, they can consider it a failure. I think Dildor was arguing on a personal level, not a global one. There's no gray area here; it's relatives and absolutes getting mixed up.

I am getting a bit annoyed, though, of attempting to provide an objective view and getting thrown in the fanboy group. And since this has carried far too long, is apparent both parties are getting tired of it, and isn't even the topic of the thread I'll drop it at the above.

---