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Wikileaks founder Julian Assange has been granted asylum in Ecuador, just 60 days after he began fighting extradition from London by seeking refuge in the Ecuadorian embassy.
Foreign Secretary William Hague stated the UK would not grant Assange safe passage out of the country.
Assange was set to be extradited to Sweden, where he faces charges of rape. Assange denies the claims, saying ... [ read the full article ]
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
I am fine with that, as corruption will take more lives and cause more strife without risky leaks to balance the sausage making machine some.
Don't be "too" harsh on the lad. We all know there is going to be corruption. As was said somewhere by someone wiser than I, "it is just a matter of being & there just ain't no changing it...", but good men turning a blind eye & doing nothing; now that's when it becomes worse than criminal.
Let's hypothetically ask the question, "say" (a bit out of context, but keeping with the Assange business) Assange leaked one of the missions I went on (or was supposedly going on).
I personally don't give a shit whether you believe me or not, but one of those "government infringements" brought a few war criminals to justice (2 more years, 20 year silence clause). If that information got out & crippled the mission 1, I'd be dead. 2, atrocities might still be going on or possibly worse, but I don't see how.
AFTER THE FACT!!! Sure, most times let folks in on the story. But I'm not an idiot either... I'm sure your wife/sister/girlfriend/grandmother/aunt would like advanced warning that there is a rapist waiting around the corner so she could avoid the situation. Same can be said of the bulk of government secrets.
The corruption clause starts to rear its ugly head when jerk waters want to micromanage the release of important information that could lead o public safety like it were a sword of control. Obviously those pricks have got to go. But that's NOT what Assange was doing.
Is Assange being treated unfairly? Probably, for equally good reason & for nothing more than he brought upon himself. Like every other idiot money greed attention whore, he bullshat himself into thinking he was doing all this for the good of the public. Facts are, No, he wasn't.
It became a point of vindictiveness & spite. He's poked the Rottweiler with the stick one too many times & now the thing is going for his throat; on a global scale. There are other 'whistle blower' groups out there making waves, but Assange is the one with the biggest bullseye on his forehead; wonder why?
No government is Snow White, so I'm not defending them, not like that. But this little snot isn't the New York Times or Washington Post either. What's his credentials? He's lied with swine & now he wants to complain of pig shit?
I suppose what I'm trying to say is, if he was trying to be Bob Woodward & Carl Bernstein, he's failed miserably. All he's succeeded in doing is wrapping his pathetic ass into a retarded version of Roman Polanski's life. Except Assange isn't a famous director & he's the one who's going to end up being sodomized.
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19. August 2012 @ 15:20 |
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Originally posted by LordRuss:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
I am fine with that, as corruption will take more lives and cause more strife without risky leaks to balance the sausage making machine some.
Don't be "too" harsh on the lad. We all know there is going to be corruption. As was said somewhere by someone wiser than I, "it is just a matter of being & there just ain't no changing it...", but good men turning a blind eye & doing nothing; now that's when it becomes worse than criminal.
Let's hypothetically ask the question, "say" (a bit out of context, but keeping with the Assange business) Assange leaked one of the missions I went on (or was supposedly going on).
I personally don't give a shit whether you believe me or not, but one of those "government infringements" brought a few war criminals to justice (2 more years, 20 year silence clause). If that information got out & crippled the mission 1, I'd be dead. 2, atrocities might still be going on or possibly worse, but I don't see how.
AFTER THE FACT!!! Sure, most times let folks in on the story. But I'm not an idiot either... I'm sure your wife/sister/girlfriend/grandmother/aunt would like advanced warning that there is a rapist waiting around the corner so she could avoid the situation. Same can be said of the bulk of government secrets.
The corruption clause starts to rear its ugly head when jerk waters want to micromanage the release of important information that could lead o public safety like it were a sword of control. Obviously those pricks have got to go. But that's NOT what Assange was doing.
Is Assange being treated unfairly? Probably, for equally good reason & for nothing more than he brought upon himself. Like every other idiot money greed attention whore, he bullshat himself into thinking he was doing all this for the good of the public. Facts are, No, he wasn't.
It became a point of vindictiveness & spite. He's poked the Rottweiler with the stick one too many times & now the thing is going for his throat; on a global scale. There are other 'whistle blower' groups out there making waves, but Assange is the one with the biggest bullseye on his forehead; wonder why?
No government is Snow White, so I'm not defending them, not like that. But this little snot isn't the New York Times or Washington Post either. What's his credentials? He's lied with swine & now he wants to complain of pig shit?
I suppose what I'm trying to say is, if he was trying to be Bob Woodward & Carl Bernstein, he's failed miserably. All he's succeeded in doing is wrapping his pathetic ass into a retarded version of Roman Polanski's life. Except Assange isn't a famous director & he's the one who's going to end up being sodomized.
Short answer yes, Long answer no.
Sometimes abuse of the system can bring justice but more often than not it brings harm.
The problem with Assange is that even the corrupted system of law can not get him, because he's more innocent IE done less damage to humanity than the countries that want him.
Are his hands clean? No, is he doing it out of the kindness of his heart, hell no. But you know what? At least his hands are still human looking, I can't say that about most governments as they do what they will with all the force and might they can muster just like any for profit organization would.
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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19. August 2012 @ 15:36 |
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Short answer yes, Long answer no.
Sometimes abuse of the system can bring justice but more often than not it brings harm.
The problem with Assange is that even the corrupted system of law can not get him, because he's more innocent IE done less damage to humanity than the countries that want him.
Are his hands clean? No, is he doing it out of the kindness of his heart, hell no. But you know what? At least his hands are still human looking, I can't say that about most governments as they do what they will with all the force and might they can muster just like any for profit organization would.
And you're right... My comment's weren't to remove the humanity from the situation despite the fact that my involvement in 'government activities' were with people of less than human qualities. That will be my cross to bear until death.
It's a tough tight wire act to do and it's really funny how they (governments in general) want it all gray when things are to be "hush-hush", but when it comes to filleting someone's ass - yeah, you're right - all of the sudden it starts to become a black & white issue.
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Originally posted by LordRuss:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Short answer yes, Long answer no.
Sometimes abuse of the system can bring justice but more often than not it brings harm.
The problem with Assange is that even the corrupted system of law can not get him, because he's more innocent IE done less damage to humanity than the countries that want him.
Are his hands clean? No, is he doing it out of the kindness of his heart, hell no. But you know what? At least his hands are still human looking, I can't say that about most governments as they do what they will with all the force and might they can muster just like any for profit organization would.
And you're right... My comment's weren't to remove the humanity from the situation despite the fact that my involvement in 'government activities' were with people of less than human qualities. That will be my cross to bear until death.
It's a tough tight wire act to do and it's really funny how they (governments in general) want it all gray when things are to be "hush-hush", but when it comes to filleting someone's ass - yeah, you're right - all of the sudden it starts to become a black & white issue.
Sadly something has to give as governments are not giving an inch when it comes to reporting the truth(not the winners side of it), personal rights and freedoms of expression, even if wiki leaks is an extreme case that's more than likely breaking the rule of law, is it really breaking the spirit?
Its a sad thing when one discovers that 2 wrongs can make a right as the real world always changes the rules of the game as its being played out.
Not much can be done(for much of anything, killing a few humans(good or bad) is point less there are plenty to take their place. You can kill thousands and upset the mindset and regional flow of life but at most we(humanity) only get bad laws from it in the long run see the patriot act and other means to remove or reduce our rights for the sake of false security. You can kill millions and all it creates is infinite sorrow and sadness until the lost ones are forgotten, we say we remember but when it happens time and time again we do little to bring light into the darkness. However one(a focused group with a strict moral goal of bettering humanity, or a super anti hero type luls) can kill the people in charge and shape world by doing so either openly or within the shadows the powers that be will bow to their new master) still those that do will those that live try and survive the impeding cluster fuck.
Humans are such immature and childish things and in another 5 thousand years will shall be no better unless our own nature of greed and self worth be sated.(cheap matter><energy conversion would be a start :P )
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Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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19. August 2012 @ 16:43 |
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The thing is every whistle-blower gets told their actions not only are potentially harmful but that they catagorically have, alone & entirely because of what they have done, caused deaths and harm.
They did it with the Pentagon Papers' too.
Almost word for word.
It's the 1st resort every time.
But it doesn't make it true.
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20. August 2012 @ 10:57 |
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Oh.....and one last thing, Assange has said he is more than happy to go to Sweden to answer these allegations.
On condition there will not be any subsequent extradition to the USA.
That assurance has never been given and it is that which lies at the heart of all of this fuss.
Throw in the Swedish authorities refusal to interview abroad (when they have done so several times in the past) and it is pretty clear why people think this is all one big political game.
Political justice might not matter to some (but only when it suits them, naturally) but for many of us it is anathema we ought not tollerate, even when we don't necessarily like the outcomes.
The alternative is to be less free.....and what sort of nut chooses that?
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20. August 2012 @ 12:27 |
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The problem with the trip to Ecuador will be getting his massively swollen head through the embassy door.
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Originally posted by attar:
The problem with the trip to Ecuador will be getting his massively swollen head through the embassy door.
Will it even fit in the country?
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I suppose that's why he chose Ecua-dor.
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Originally posted by Owled:
Now if these Rape Charges ARE fabricated?
THEN the ONLY question remaining is my Long and UNWINDING road!
The SOLE question is: Where is the Non-Extradition Guarantee? if "THEY" have nothing to hide!
Give me a well founded answer to THAT!
The simple answer is....
Since when has the US said they even want to charge Assange?
As I said before the US could have had him arrested via Interpol when he was in Sweden, that didn't happen.
Again the US could have had him arrested in the UK via Interpol again.
Has that happened?
Yet people are worried about him being sent to the US even though the UK is going to send him to Sweden no matter what he wants to think or say.
If the US wanted him arrested it would have happened years ago.
he's just doing the usual crim thing oh it wasn't me yet I'll flee every country that wants to arrest me.
The US story is just that a story, he thinks he is important to the US government but the US government just couldn't care about him, so he lives in a dreamland where the US is some how only allowed to arrest him in Sweden if he re-enters Sweden and only Sweden can arrest him and send him to the US.
give me a break.
Apparently he F**ked a chick or while she/they were sleeping.
That's why Sweden want him.
Plus he was in Sweden yet wouldn't let the police question him, then sneaked out of Sweden 1 1/2 years ago and suddenly ended up in the UK.
Which the Sweden police wanted him arrested the UK police did that.
He got bail but doesn't have a passport as the UK courts held it because he's a flight risk, for sneaking out of Sweden, and spent the last year trying not to be sent off to Sweden for questioning by Sweden police.
Once he got the hint that the UK really where going to send him to Sweden, he suddenly goes into the Ecuador embassy and claims the US government really truly are after him and only Sweden can arrest him and send him to the US government for wikileaks trial.
Even though all the countries he's been in since the whole wikileaks thing he could have been arrested and sent to the US.
People really are sheep if they do believe his story.
Read up in the news of the whole history will show up all the utter BS in his story, it's just so he doesn't end up in prison in Sweden for really raping chicks while they where sleeping.
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21. August 2012 @ 09:11 |
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Originally posted by xtago:
Originally posted by Owled:
Now if these Rape Charges ARE fabricated?
THEN the ONLY question remaining is my Long and UNWINDING road!
The SOLE question is: Where is the Non-Extradition Guarantee? if "THEY" have nothing to hide!
Give me a well founded answer to THAT!
The simple answer is....
Since when has the US said they even want to charge Assange?
As I said before the US could have had him arrested via Interpol when he was in Sweden, that didn't happen.
Again the US could have had him arrested in the UK via Interpol again.
Has that happened?
Yet people are worried about him being sent to the US even though the UK is going to send him to Sweden no matter what he wants to think or say.
If the US wanted him arrested it would have happened years ago.
he's just doing the usual crim thing oh it wasn't me yet I'll flee every country that wants to arrest me.
The US story is just that a story, he thinks he is important to the US government but the US government just couldn't care about him, so he lives in a dreamland where the US is some how only allowed to arrest him in Sweden if he re-enters Sweden and only Sweden can arrest him and send him to the US.
give me a break.
Apparently he F**ked a chick or while she/they were sleeping.
That's why Sweden want him.
Plus he was in Sweden yet wouldn't let the police question him, then sneaked out of Sweden 1 1/2 years ago and suddenly ended up in the UK.
Which the Sweden police wanted him arrested the UK police did that.
He got bail but doesn't have a passport as the UK courts held it because he's a flight risk, for sneaking out of Sweden, and spent the last year trying not to be sent off to Sweden for questioning by Sweden police.
Once he got the hint that the UK really where going to send him to Sweden, he suddenly goes into the Ecuador embassy and claims the US government really truly are after him and only Sweden can arrest him and send him to the US government for wikileaks trial.
Even though all the countries he's been in since the whole wikileaks thing he could have been arrested and sent to the US.
People really are sheep if they do believe his story.
Read up in the news of the whole history will show up all the utter BS in his story, it's just so he doesn't end up in prison in Sweden for really raping chicks while they where sleeping.
Then why was Augusto Pinochet not extradited from the UK, when the WHOLE g*d*med world was screaming for him to be returned to Chile and face justice?
UK's Iron Ladyship and her entourage protected him, just like it is now protecting the behind the back activities of our well known brethren! There are still 300 charges outstanding for him to be tried on, if only he he hadn't kicked the bucket in 2006. And all that in the name of the NWO.
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21. August 2012 @ 10:37 |
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@ xtago: I find it very hard to believe the account of a "sex worker" (translation: "hooker") who has had her story completely compromised by her co-accuser. I notice you keep avoiding addressing this issue.
YOU, on the other hand, have already convicted Julian Assange in your mind. Of the two of us, I believe my position holds more water.
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I just very happy that Julian Assange always been 2 or 3 steps ahead front the "Gang Club" (U.S. Sweden & UK); that never wanted this to became an international issue.
Now, I just LMAO:
UK, USA & Sweden end up like "El Perro de las 2 tortas"
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Originally posted by Mrguss:
I just very happy that Julian Assange always been 2 or 3 steps ahead front the "Gang Club" (U.S. Sweden & UK); that never wanted this to became an international issue.
I don't necessarily give him that much credit & yes he IS creating an international incident. As a matter of fact I believe it is his megalomania that actually thrives on it.
My interests morbidly lie on the follow up issue of 'what he will do once this escapade is over'? Nothing will top it.
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Originally posted by LordRuss:
Originally posted by Mrguss:
I just very happy that Julian Assange always been 2 or 3 steps ahead front the "Gang Club" (U.S. Sweden & UK); that never wanted this to became an international issue.
I don't necessarily give him that much credit & yes he IS creating an international incident. As a matter of fact I believe it is his megalomania that actually thrives on it.
My interests morbidly lie on the follow up issue of 'what he will do once this escapade is over'? Nothing will top it.
I dunno there's no telling what will end him.
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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24. August 2012 @ 19:20 |
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@ZippyDSM & @LordRuss
He will be another "Pirate-Bay"
He will keep going with wherever he believe, until he get kill [Hope Not] by a Too-Patriotic Govt. Official or Corp. Greedy U.S. Elite-Contractor baster.
Why the Western Media Hate Julian Assange:
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/...ssange_20120823
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Originally posted by Mrguss:
@ZippyDSM & @LordRuss
He will be another "Pirate-Bay"
He will keep going with wherever he believe, until he get kill [Hope Not] by a Too-Patriotic Govt. Official or Corp. Greedy U.S. Elite-Contractor baster.
Originally posted by Mrguss:
@ZippyDSM & @LordRuss
He will be another "Pirate-Bay"
He will keep going with wherever he believe, until he get kill [Hope Not] by a Too-Patriotic Govt. Official or Corp. Greedy U.S. Elite-Contractor baster.
Originally posted by Mrguss:
@ZippyDSM & @LordRuss
He will be another "Pirate-Bay"
He will keep going with wherever he believe, until he get kill [Hope Not] by a Too-Patriotic Govt. Official or Corp. Greedy U.S. Elite-Contractor baster.
Originally posted by Mrguss:
@ZippyDSM & @LordRuss
He will be another "Pirate-Bay"
He will keep going with wherever he believe, until he get kill [Hope Not] by a Too-Patriotic Govt. Official or Corp. Greedy U.S. Elite-Contractor baster.
I bet he will screw up and be jailed or killed for it more than for wikileak stuff. LOL
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Originally posted by Mrguss:
@ZippyDSM & @LordRuss
He will be another "Pirate-Bay"
He will keep going with wherever he believe, until he get kill [Hope Not] by a Too-Patriotic Govt. Official or Corp. Greedy U.S. Elite-Contractor baster.
Why the Western Media Hate Julian Assange:
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/...ssange_20120823
MrGuss
EXCELLENT article! with plenty links to cement the arguments raised by Greenwald. This finalizes all stupid comments used here (above and below).
Am also flabbergasted how many commentators of Greenwald's article are misinformed (possibly brainwashed) and unable to make a clear judgement of their own.
Already here I found people can't read comprehensively and keep drumming their false arguments ad infinitum.
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Originally posted by Owled:
Originally posted by Mrguss:
@ZippyDSM & @LordRuss
He will be another "Pirate-Bay"
He will keep going with wherever he believe, until he get kill [Hope Not] by a Too-Patriotic Govt. Official or Corp. Greedy U.S. Elite-Contractor baster.
Why the Western Media Hate Julian Assange:
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/...ssange_20120823
MrGuss
EXCELLENT article! with plenty links to cement the arguments raised by Greenwald. This finalizes all stupid comments used here (above and below).
Am also flabbergasted how many commentators of Greenwald's article are misinformed (possibly brainwashed) and unable to make a clear judgement of their own.
Already here I found people can't read comprehensively and keep drumming their false arguments ad infinitum.
And yet they breed & drive cars, most of them...
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This political version of Snookie needs to be shelved. Journalism is one thing, illegal wiretapping (which is what he is/was doing) is what they're really going after after him for.
It's not like he 'just happened' upon some classified government documents & reported them to the public here as the earlier link seems to want to glamorize. He is justifiably allowed due process, but hero to the public? Mmmm, I don't think so.
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Originally posted by LordRuss:
This political version of Snookie needs to be shelved. Journalism is one thing, illegal wiretapping (which is what he is/was doing) is what they're really going after after him for.
It's not like he 'just happened' upon some classified government documents & reported them to the public here as the earlier link seems to want to glamorize. He is justifiably allowed due process, but hero to the public? Mmmm, I don't think so.
I still say at the end of the day it all balances out.
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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Originally posted by LordRuss:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
I am fine with that, as corruption will take more lives and cause more strife without risky leaks to balance the sausage making machine some.
Don't be "too" harsh on the lad. We all know there is going to be corruption. As was said somewhere by someone wiser than I, "it is just a matter of being & there just ain't no changing it...", but good men turning a blind eye & doing nothing; now that's when it becomes worse than criminal.
Let's hypothetically ask the question, "say" (a bit out of context, but keeping with the Assange business) Assange leaked one of the missions I went on (or was supposedly going on).
I personally don't give a shit whether you believe me or not, but one of those "government infringements" brought a few war criminals to justice (2 more years, 20 year silence clause). If that information got out & crippled the mission 1, I'd be dead. 2, atrocities might still be going on or possibly worse, but I don't see how.
AFTER THE FACT!!! Sure, most times let folks in on the story. But I'm not an idiot either... I'm sure your wife/sister/girlfriend/grandmother/aunt would like advanced warning that there is a rapist waiting around the corner so she could avoid the situation. Same can be said of the bulk of government secrets.
The corruption clause starts to rear its ugly head when jerk waters want to micromanage the release of important information that could lead o public safety like it were a sword of control. Obviously those pricks have got to go. But that's NOT what Assange was doing.
Is Assange being treated unfairly? Probably, for equally good reason & for nothing more than he brought upon himself. Like every other idiot money greed attention whore, he bullshat himself into thinking he was doing all this for the good of the public. Facts are, No, he wasn't.
It became a point of vindictiveness & spite. He's poked the Rottweiler with the stick one too many times & now the thing is going for his throat; on a global scale. There are other 'whistle blower' groups out there making waves, but Assange is the one with the biggest bullseye on his forehead; wonder why?
No government is Snow White, so I'm not defending them, not like that. But this little snot isn't the New York Times or Washington Post either. What's his credentials? He's lied with swine & now he wants to complain of pig shit?
I suppose what I'm trying to say is, if he was trying to be Bob Woodward & Carl Bernstein, he's failed miserably. All he's succeeded in doing is wrapping his pathetic ass into a retarded version of Roman Polanski's life. Except Assange isn't a famous director & he's the one who's going to end up being sodomized.
That was pretty well said, could not have done better myself.
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Originally posted by FredBun:
That was pretty well said, could not have done better myself.
I probably could have been a little less wordy. I have a feeling the regulars in hear start to run when they see one of my longer rants or explanations.
I on the other hand, revel in a well thought out piss-a-thon rather a juvenile spat of a 1-2 sentence cryptic smartass ism.
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