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ford074
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17. March 2006 @ 15:51 |
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---------------------------------------------------------------------Are these any good? I know they have to be better then the CMC right?
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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:MCC-004-000]
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Disc & Book Type : [DVD+R] - [DVD+R]
Manufacturer Name : [Mitsubishi Chemical Corp.]
Manufacturer ID : [MCC]
Media Type ID : [004]
Product Revision : [Not Specified]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,295,104 Sectors = 4.70 GB (4.38 GiB)]
Recording Speeds : [1x-2.4x , 4x , 6x-8x , 6x-16x]
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[ DVD Identifier V4.2.0 - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]
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17. March 2006 @ 15:53 |
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those are great discs...the MCC coded 16x DVD+R Verbatims, made in taiwan...there ya have it~ :)
yes, MUCH better than the CMC MAGs...LOL
docTY~
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Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
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17. March 2006 @ 16:12 |
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MCC coded Verbatim +R and -R are, without a doubt, the BEST Taiwanese made DVDs available ...
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ford074
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17. March 2006 @ 16:24 |
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Thanks, just wanted to make sure I found the right ones.
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17. March 2006 @ 20:00 |
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That's all I use except in the 8x variety which are MCC003's
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18. March 2006 @ 10:49 |
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i agree with the general comments.. great stuff..
like mort81.. i use the 8x and 16x
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JoeRyan
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24. March 2006 @ 09:46 |
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Those Verbatim media are, indeed, excellent discs. CMC Magnetics makes them for Verbatim.
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24. March 2006 @ 10:05 |
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mcc.. not cmc..
huge differnce
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JoeRyan
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24. March 2006 @ 11:35 |
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CMC Magnetics manufactures the MCC Verbatim discs using MCC dye. All MCC Verbatime discs from Taiwan are made by CMC Magnetics. People will have to rethink their anti-CMC bias and perhaps attribute any problems to factors other than "CMC sucks."
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24. March 2006 @ 11:46 |
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that is all that i use and nothing else, 16x verbatim +r. you got the best.
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vwsport80
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24. March 2006 @ 12:36 |
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@ JoeRyan
I'm not trying to challenge you (although I'm sure people will), but do you have anything to back this up, such as a link to supporting facts?
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JoeRyan
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24. March 2006 @ 13:50 |
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Verbatim isn't going to tell you, but look at the facts:
Verbatim has no factories in Taiwan.
Someone in Taiwan is making the discs for them.
It can only be CMC, Ritek, Prodisc, or Optodisc--the only factories on record for paying royalties.
Ritek makes RicohJPN; Prodisc and Optodisc do not have large OEM accounts.
Check out the list of MID codes on this forum and note that other companies supplied by CMC sometimes have MCC codes on their discs.
Verbatim supplies LightScribe discs. No one else in Taiwan except CMC is approved.
These items are only evidence, not proof. Proof is covered by non-disclosure agreements; but if anyone wants to trace shipments through customs, the proof is also there.
The point is this: CMC makes DVD discs that members of this forum swear by at the same time they swear at CMC and claim the factory is incapable of making a good disc. Other factors are at play than mere good quality/bad quality. MID codes, firmware compatibility, dye material, and politics are complications involved in whether or not certain discs work with certain drives. Verbatim makes excellent discs with high compatibility. CMC makes excellent discs for Verbatim that have the same high compatibility. CMC also makes discs that are less compatible, but that is a function of hardware support.
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dilligaf9
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25. March 2006 @ 10:33 |
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Hey Joe..Im on your side on this one..Verbatims made in CMC factories in Taiwan..Even though we can not post hard facts on this issue, logical thinking puts a lot of it in perspective. Mitsubishi Chemicals makes the MCC dye in Japan, then sends it to Taiwan , possibly because the cost to make the dvd discs in Japan are higher, gives the contract to the largest manufacturer in Taiwan which would be CMC, and CMC using MCC dyes produces the dvd discs, hence the Made in Taiwan on the packaging for Verbatim DVDs. Im sure the platters of the disc ,top and bottom are possibly all the same plastics among the companies, unlike CDs which use 2 types of poly carbonate plastics. So do the actual dics suck, No! Does the Dye that is used in the varios CMC discs suck, Yes! unless it is a Japanese made Dye, MCC in this case.And I am sure each company who contracts with CMC to make DVDs will want it cheaper than the next guy to sell it for less.So you take a big company like CMC , and this is their job to produce dvd discs for possibly anyone in the world and have dvds made to your specs to fit your prce range and be competitive, even if you do use a cheaper, crappier dye formulation. It that good for the consumer, price wise yes, quality wise no. It all comes down to money$$$$$$$$$$ and what the big companies need to turn a profit. CMC is profiting any way you look at it, making dvds for almost everyone. There are no actual CMC branded DVDs out there is there ? So the actual MIT on the packaging is the signature of where the final product is produced, not where are the sub components come from , Japan in Verbatims case.
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25. March 2006 @ 12:35 |
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and the actual dye is what we should be concerned about ... the Advanced Azo used on the Verbatim and Sony discs set them apart from other CMC manufactured discs such as Memorex ... The Media ID probably has more to do with the dye manufacturer than the disc manufacturer ...
The 'CMC is poop' in my sig refers to the low grade dye that CMC Mag coded discs use ...
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25. March 2006 @ 13:09 |
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i often read about CMC/Prodisc/MBI or whoever the hell is supposed to make Verb discs, over at cdfreaks forums, but whether or not it's true, it surely has to come down to something like dye quality; i don't buy into the whole firmware idea ie where supposedly the most prolific manufacturer of discs doesn't have a lot of it's discs catered for in firmware. can't buy that idea i'm afraid, or any CMC discs either..
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25. March 2006 @ 13:37 |
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DVD disc quality is something a third party should take up, like Consumer Reports for example. Not that I need a third party to tell me CMC MAG's are junk, but it might convince the skeptical.
Regardless, my Verbatim and TY burns do not degrade after a month like CMC MAG discs. The proof is in my backups, which is why I agree with the many others here that experienced the same with CMC MAG discs. I will never buy another CMC MAG disc, and I continue to warn those that attempt to waste their money on CMC MAG garbage.
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26. March 2006 @ 03:54 |
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I will weigh in and say that the two replies that I received, 1 from CMC and one from Verbatim regarding this question were both elusive. Neither company would unequivocally state yes or no.
As long as the Verbs continue to work well, I'll keep buying them.
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26. March 2006 @ 05:40 |
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my Verbatim and TY burns do not degrade after a month like CMC MAG discs
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the Advanced Azo used on the Verbatim and Sony discs set them apart from other CMC manufactured discs
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26. March 2006 @ 13:46 |
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There are at least 7 manufacturers of dye. MKM does not allow others to use its dye except for Verbatim discs (CMC and MBI). Sony does the same. Lately Ciba Geigi has made a push into the market with a new dye; and if it is as good as their CD-R dye, many manufacturers will move to this dye. There is a push at OSTA (Optical Storage Technology Association) for longer lasting optical media and guarantees of expected life. That will result in more gold-based discs on the market as well as pressure on manufacturers to make discs with better stability. 16X discs are less stable than 8X at this point, but expect to see improvements in many of the discs that have a reputation for instability.
There is also a proposal at OSTA to develop a range of optical power calibrations from 1 to 10 that a drive will use based on what the disc suggests is best for its recording. This will be different from the MID code method that means individual tuning to an MID code and recognition of the same. It seems that Taiwanese media and drive manufacturers are fed up with being "tuned out" of popular drives and getting bad reputations. Now that Sony/NEC/Lite-On are all working on drives together (Sony doing the marketing; NEC the firmware; Lite-On the manufacturing) and Plextor's drives coming from BenQ, the Taiwanese are beginning to flex their muscles.
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dilligaf9
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28. March 2006 @ 09:22 |
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A little more info on MCC/ MKM/ Verbatim ...................... About Mitsubishi Kagaku Media
Mitsubishi Chemical Corporation (MCC), parent company of Mitsubishi Kagaku Media, is Japan's largest chemical company and one of the world's leading manufacturers of information storage products. In a line-up of data and image storage media, MCC holds a strong market share in markets such as Recordable and Rewritable DVD discs, CD-R and CD-RW discs, 90 mm and 130 mm MO discs, 130 mm WORM discs. Many of these products are marketed through Mitsubishi Kagaku Media/Verbatim Corporation, which is a wholly owned subsidiary of MCC. Mitsubishi Chemical Corporation has approximately 10 000 employees, and on a consolidated basis recorded revenues of approximately US$ 16 billion for the year ended March 31, 2003.
For further information, please contact:
Philips:
Koen Joosse, Philips Research
koen.joosse@philips.com
MKM:
World wide: Shigeru Tamura, Mitsubishi Kagaku Media
tamura.shigeru@mu.m-kagaku.co.jp
US: Tim Clatterbuck , Verbatim Corporation
tim_clatterbuck@verbatim.com
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kaity
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6. April 2006 @ 22:32 |
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I just burned my first Verbatim+R DL. The ID was MKM 001. I burned it at 4x with a Sony DRU-800A did a Nero Scan and received a quality score of 70. I usually get a quality score of 95 using single layer discs, so is this normal with DL's?
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6. April 2006 @ 22:59 |
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DL media usually doesn't scan out as good as single layor discs. Try slowing the burn speed down to 2.4x. I found this to improve the scans quite a bit, up to around 93.
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kaity
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7. April 2006 @ 07:42 |
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Thanks Mort81, I'll try that.
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7. April 2006 @ 08:00 |
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Make sure that your firmware is up tp date ... a lot of the newer updates have to do with DL compatibility
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7. April 2006 @ 08:34 |
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Wow, just to think in a few years we will be having media debates and descussions on HD-DVD's and Blue Ray Disks and the Manufacturer's of these disks? will we still have cmc as a manufacturer of these type disks? maybe so maybe not? but one thing i will bet money on? Mitsubishi...MCC will be in there and be good quality,at any case i hope im around for it and i can't wait! Here's to the future media debates!!! :) /unjust
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