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DVD+R DL problems
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JWolf06
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26. May 2006 @ 05:21 |
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Edit: I just realized I posted this in the wrong forum, and I apologize. Can somebody move this to a relevant forum instead? Sorry :(
Back in December I bought a Memorex Double-Layer 2.4x DVD+R 25-pack spindle while they were on sale. I just started burning them to try them out. I made backups of five DVDs, all close to 8GB each. They burned fine, no problems. I popped one into my DVD player and it started playing fine. I then jumped to a scene at the end of the movie and invariably the DVD player has trouble reading the media. It will play a scene for a few seconds, then it freezes, trying to read the disc. I then tried to rip the burned DVD and I always get a "cyclic redundancy check" after about 4 GB has been ripped. The same exact thing happened with a second burned DVD. I used both Nero 6.6 (not sure on the exact version though, but I get no error messages while burning) and dvdFab using whatever default burning engine it comes with (not Nero) to burn them. Does anybody have any suggestions? Thanks!
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 26. May 2006 @ 06:10
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26. May 2006 @ 06:18 |
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Memorex is simply....crap.
Try Verbatim next time, much higher quality.
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JoeRyan
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30. May 2006 @ 12:51 |
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DL discs are still being developed. It is very difficult to get drives and players to read over the transition point from layer 0 to layer 1, and some new players are more successful than older players. Trying to jump chapters over the transition will generally bring more problems than letting the drive play through, but newer drives and players are getting better. Early recording drives had far more problems than the latest versions. You did not mention what drive you had, but if it is an older version, you may have more problems than with newer ones. Verbatim invented DL discs, and it took them a year to solve the problem with bubbles in between the layers. Memorex DL discs are getting better and are probably just below Verbatim as far as DL goes.
I hope this proves more informative than the name caller who preceded me.
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31. May 2006 @ 13:34 |
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1) Get some Verbatim +r dl media.That's the highest quality media available,and usually cheaper than the ritek dl that memorex uses.
2) Make sure those DL backups play ok on your pc,using the dvd-rw drive that produced them,to play them. Look for those same issues while you view them on your pc.They should look near original in quality! This will help narrow it down between stand alone player issue,or backup disc issues.
3) Check for the latest firmware update for your dvd-rw drive.This controls the writing strategy.
4) Try another backup process. Nero6 has trouble with the layer break.Open up dvd decrypter,Look for source and make sure your dvd-rw drive is selected as the source.Click Mode/ ISO/ read/click the disc-harddrive icon and away they go to the harddrive.Remember where those files go.
Then Mode/ ISO /write. Click on the folder where it says source,locate the mds files-not iso- of that flick/open/select burn speed-2.4x/click the disc-harddrive icon and the burning begins. Then test in all your stand alone players and pc drives.
Another option: IMGburn.Identical to dvd decrypter's in Mode ISO write. Rip with dvd decrypter in Mode ISO read-remember where those files go. Open up IMGburn,which is free,locate mds files/open/set burn speed,and burn.
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I always get a "cyclic redundancy check" after about 4 GB has been ripped
Re-ripping backups is a good test to see how good they actually are.If you get a crc error,something is wrong. Could be too many errors,or errors in the wrong spots.This sounds more like the layer break at the 4 gb mark,and again-nero 6 does have issues with it. It could also be media quality,burn speed,and even burner quality.
What's the brand name/model#/ and firmware version of that dvd-rw drive? Neroinfotool will tell you,and post back that info. An up to date firmware version couldn't hurt either.
BTW: For ripping movies that you get that crc error,and encryption is not related to it,or re-ripping some of your backups with that crc error: Try dvd decrypter. Change a couple of default settings.
Tools/settings:
CSS- Brute force
I/O- Tick ignore all read errors.
OK
Decrypter is a more aggressive ripper than dvd shrink. You may get lucky with it in case you want to make a copy of a dvd that has a crc error on it.It won't work every time,but once in a while.
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3. June 2006 @ 11:02 |
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That's funny, most posts about Ritek DL media are negative. If that's the next best thing to Verbatim's, why bother with junk?
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RobertSB
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4. June 2006 @ 18:29 |
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I've burned about 50 Memorex DVD+R DL's and haven't had any problems. DVD Identifier reveals Ritek is disc manufactor. I've also used Verbatum when on sale w/ same flawless results.
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JWolf06
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5. June 2006 @ 07:13 |
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Hi JoeRyan, saugmon, thanks for the replies. My DVD Burner is a Sony DRX-(Can't remember the specific model, since I'm at work) External DL. I bought it almost a year ago. The only thing I can think of is that the firmware is not up to date. As soon as I get home I'll try to find updates for that model. The thing is, when it's burning the DVD, everything goes without a hitch.
Thank you for the tip about Nero. I actually have Nero 6.6 I believe. The only thing is, I used other programs to burn the DVDs also, such as DVDFab (using a burning engine that wasn't Nero's, can't remember the name though). I tried to rip all 5 DVDs I had burned and all gave me a CRC error at the exact same spot, which like you said, appears to occur right at the layer break.
This is frustrating, I'm hesitant to burn more of these DVDs (I have 9 left) as I'm afraid I'll turn them into coasters, but I'll use the suggestions you guys gave me and I'll try it again one more time...
Is Nero 7 OK to use with DL media?
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JoeRyan
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5. June 2006 @ 07:14 |
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"Most posts about Ritek DL media are negative...why bother with junk?" What leads you to conclude that Ritek DL are junk? Check the posts again and you will note that most people having problems with DL media will have problems with these discs for one of three reasons: 1) an early DL drive not fully compatible with the discs that came to market; 2) DL discs that are note "perfect" (yield rates are below 50% still); 3) players that struggle to read the transition point that is ragged compared to DVD-ROM discs. Verbatim/MKK developed DL discs and was first to market. Ritek is quickly catching up by producing larger volumes and gaining experience in both 2P and IS processes. To conclude that the second-place manufacturer is "junk" is erroneous.
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5. June 2006 @ 11:46 |
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Because nero6 had issues with the layer break,Nero 7 was created to fix this issue. It had a lot of bugs in the first few versions,but I believe they may have got those issues solved.
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JWolf06
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8. June 2006 @ 06:38 |
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I updated my DVD Burner's firmware to latest version and I also upgraded to Nero 7.2, and same issue :( DVD burned with no problems but when it comes to reading the second layer both my standalone DVD player and my computer DVD drives have trouble reading it...Sony's website says that only Verbatim DL DVDs are "certified" to work with it... :(
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8. June 2006 @ 07:35 |
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@Jwolf06,
I have a Sony DRU-800A, internal drive, about the same age as yors I believe, firmware revision KY-06, have only burned Verbatim DL+R discs so far, no coasters, no problems. I currently rip the movie to the hard drive using AnyDVD and DVDdecrypter, saving as an .ISO file, then burning the resulting file onto a DVD-9 DL disk with Imgburn burning program. (All are available @ http://www.filehippo.com , AnyDVD has a 21 day free tril period, the other two are freeware.)
Let me know if this helps you out at all.
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JWolf06
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8. June 2006 @ 10:04 |
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Hi blivetNC...we have the same model I believe, and that was the firmware version that I installed. I'll buy some Verbatim DL DVDs, I'm sure those will work fine...I already wasted about 13 blank Memorex DL. I guess I'll keep the rest as ornaments.
Thanks!
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8. June 2006 @ 20:25 |
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Try burning a Memsux at 2.4 speed using Imageburn, see if that helps. It is worth a try.
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qid
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10. June 2006 @ 04:31 |
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We'll I had similar problems but then I started using a utility called "BookType" - this helps to set the book type to right one "DVD-ROM" and then use ImgBurn as suggested - hopefully that'll get you a working disks all the way through... let us know how it goes.. ; )
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JWolf06
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12. June 2006 @ 06:02 |
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Thanks! I'll give it a try tonight and I'll let you know what happens.
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13. June 2006 @ 19:22 |
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DL discs that are note "perfect" (yield rates are below 50% still);
Hmm that's funny, all my verbatim DL dvd's have played through flawlessly.
As already suggested, try burning those memorex DL's at 2.4x and booktype them dvd-rom. You should be able to use the lite-on booktype utility since that drive is a rebadged lite-on. You can also use dvd decrypter's booktype utility (select the eeprom setting) or dvdinfopro's utility.
If still no luck, get ya some verb DL dvd+r's.
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JWolf06
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14. June 2006 @ 04:59 |
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Ok, well I tried burning an Image with imgburner and no luck. When I tried to play the DVD the menu was scrambled and couldn't event select any menu options. Where can I download the booktype utility? I couldn't find it.
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14. June 2006 @ 07:28 |
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