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Dreaming Beyond Reality
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Retro_rc
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2. July 2006 @ 13:57 |
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Well i think this forum is excellent
everything is disscussed
nothing missed but still we didn't say our dreams concerning ps2(s)
i made this thread for everybody to say what he wants his ps2 to be able
to do
what i want is : the ps2 has a Rom meomory inside it , what i want is to be able to browse into the Rom and deassemble it and make a new one that
would play backups with no chips ,play DivX movies,Built in PSP emulator
to load PSP iso's on the hdd and play them (like when GTA-lcs was for PSP only!) prehaps the ability to use the browser to view the CD content and run Elf files like XBOX emulator to run XBOX games
Cool!! huh
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13. July 2006 @ 13:27 |
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.....You don't really know much about computers, hardware, or anything 'under the hood' of your electronics, do you? It's like listening to some kid who just took his first computer class, and thinks he knows it all...
BTW Rom means 'Read Only Memory'. As in, not re-writable.
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13. July 2006 @ 16:10 |
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Hey, people are allowed to dream... :)
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13. July 2006 @ 17:41 |
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...If that is what they choose to do with their time.
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13. July 2006 @ 19:28 |
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hey, at least they are not wasting your time doing that right :)
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14. July 2006 @ 03:35 |
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Well mine would fetch me a beer from the fridge without me even asking and it would even connect via USB port directly into my skull so I could actually be in the game!
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14. July 2006 @ 07:16 |
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I dream then DO! :)
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14. July 2006 @ 13:56 |
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... I think the mods need to do something about the increasing number of random useless threads...
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14. July 2006 @ 14:35 |
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@Dan168
Now that I can agree with.
@Kasmember
While you're busy with all that DOing, mayhaps you could DO something to fix your sig?(Not meant as a mean thing, just a fun little play with words for me. :D)
"Its not stupid, its advanced!" - The Almighty Tallest, Invader Zim This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 14. July 2006 @ 14:35
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Retro_rc
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15. July 2006 @ 04:25 |
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OK handsome i know a lot of things Under the hood
thats why i named it dreaming
and plus modifying the rom could contain a piece of realty
as we could unsolder the chip (ROM) and copy the data on it
modify it then put it in another chip then resolder
however i am not sure about where the ps2's rom is or its state
but it could be a type of meomory card RSMMC for example that was
write protected
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15. July 2006 @ 04:31 |
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OK handsome i know a lot of things Under the hood thats why i named it dreaming and plus modifying the rom could contain a piece of realty as we could unsolder the chip (ROM) and copy the data on it modify it then put it in another chip then resolder
I still don't think you know what ROM means. They are write once devices that you cannot modify.
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however i am not sure about where the ps2's rom is or its state but it could be a type of meomory card RSMMC for example that was write protected
Now why would they go for a more expensive SMD when they could use low cost ROM?
By the way I'd suggest you edit your signature before the mods do and ban you, and what's up with all the spaces in your post
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Retro_rc
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15. July 2006 @ 04:55 |
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I said i am a pro not an expert
well , to be honest i didn't think of that so much but i reckon
what u just said they'll use a cheap one
writable once
like 99% ur righ'
so where do u think its located in that board under the power board
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15. July 2006 @ 14:30 |
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@retro_rc
First off I'm going to agree and say that you aren't an expert. You're also FAR from being a pro. You're actually just coming into 'amatuer' status. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, so long as you stop and recognize that you've got a long way to go.
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so where do u think its located in that board under the power board
Well, you could try checking out all the schematics of the PS2 that are all over the place, pointing out where it is, but in doing so, you would realize that you are not the first person to think of it. In fact, going to the point you described:
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as we could unsolder the chip (ROM) and copy the data on it
modify it then put it in another chip then resolder
Yeah. They already did that. It's called a mod chip. You can find them all over the internet, and Hardware manufacturers have never been all too happy about it. But the fact is, they've been around for well over a decade, so my hat goes off to you, in your great speed catching that one.
Like Dan168 said; you still don't understand what a rom is. And I'm not here to argue with you. But for the sake of saving some face around here, and around people who know this topic better, you may want to consider what 'ideas' you vocalize... You'll get a lot better info from people, when you do so.
As for "reckoning" that Dan168 is right about the cheapo rom chip in the system, he's actually 100% right. Not to mention the fact that Sony is somewhat notorious for using cheap hardware where ever possible. But then again, this isn't something I would expect you to know honestly, and I don't say that to debase you, simply to point out that you are a beginner, with only an extremely limited knowledge of the basic principals of very generalized hardware.
And again, an 'Xbox Emulator' further drives this point home, almost knocking you from beginner, and into 'Dingus' status. Why? Because people with almost no knowledge know that emulation requires a VASTLY superior system, because it requires running a basic set of code, along with a more advanced line of interpretational code that can translate video coders and all of the other data into a language that the base system can understand, while still having enough power left to actually *do* anything with that new, reinterpreted code. This is why it took three years before anyone had a WORKING n64 emulator even coded. Not to mention how long it was before most people had computers capable of actually handling it. Coincidentally, this topic fits in entirely well to this post. Because I can tell you right now, that a PS2 couldn't even do a decent job emulating a Nintendo 64. And this isn't a 'probably' thing. This is definite. And I will explain why. The XBox is structured in a very similar way to most microsoft PCs. It uses standard x86 code(PS2 does not, making it even more of a pain to program for, this is why even for people with mod chips, the number of homebrew programs and apps is so limited in comparison to the XBox scene) the xbox utilizes many common threads and structures in the DirectX video drivers that so vastly dominate our computer gaming. What does all this mean? It means that without adding extra programming bulk and overhead, programmers can convert these libraries to the XBox flawlessly, with no performance lost to translation, etc. And yet, the XBox struggles to run most n64 roms at anything even slightly above original settings. There are, in fact, still many games from this ancient 90Mhz system that can't be played at all; even on a vastly superior system, with less overhead than a standard windows PC, a 733Mhz processor, 64mb ram, and a hard drive to cache from.
There are a lot of factors that I mentioned here, which make the XBox an easier platform to program on, for many reasons. Better hardware, easier code with less overhead(For all newbies, beginners, and dingus'; this means other general bandwidth used to convert code, or process elements that the end user would consider to be a 'background' or 'behind the scenes' element.)
Hardware aside, the PS2 uses an entirely different processor that doesn't even utilize most x86 based code. That means that even on the most basic level, the ps2 doesn't understand what is considered to be decades old simple language. It has to be done entirely different, just for this system. It requires so much more programming time, and knowledge that is otherwise completely useless to any programmer. Add to that the fact that the PS2 will soon be an old 'once remembered' interest. And it's not worth anyone's time to learn it now. Furthermore, if a programmer with that much dedication were to take the time to learn all this (And that's a lot of time, more than a year even for a John Carmack level 'expert') the issue of overhead would still be a further problem, because entirely new video drivers would also need to be coded, allowing for the display of these images, among other things; which means that only about 100-200(if that)mhz would actually be available to RUN the code under. And since I'm sure you don't know, a 100-200mhz system can't even emulate most SNES games properly.
Now, an SNES emulator DOES exist for the system, with low framerates, frequent fram drops, and a long list of unplayable titles. Hopefully that gives you a better idea of what you've been mentioning.
So, you've half picked at the idea of a softmod, which because the system runs with rom, and not a re-writable bios, this is impossible, and apparently, you feel you're the first person to come up with the idea of a mod chip (Aka, switching with another rom chip that has a 'modified' rom onboard).
Lastly, the rom is located within the main processor on the board. I'm sure that even an amatuer can identify that just fine. Best of luck on your revolutionary idea for a 'modified chip'. I hope that goes well for you. I'm 100% certain that any attempt on your own behalf to do this would result in a broken system, and maybe(hopefully) more than one; so with that, I will encourage you. Go for it! Be the first to do this new, revolutionary technique!
Have a good day. And know that I have nothing against you, I simply pointed out your own dialogue, and gave it better context, which hopefully, will help you out in the future, when you try to convince yourself that you're a pro.
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15. July 2006 @ 14:37 |
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Now THAT is what I can a long post :P I'll be coming back to read that when I have more time on my hand lol
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15. July 2006 @ 17:30 |
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Yeah, when something stands out as being incorrect, ignorant, or uninformed, it bugs me. When there are a bunch of them, and they seem to be somewhat unchecked, I tend to do pick them all apart bit by bit. Why? Because if you get it all at once, you don't have to deal with ten pages of "Yeah, but"
Dan168, I think you're going to have a good read there. It might be amusing for you.
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ddp
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15. July 2006 @ 17:58 |
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& is also closed
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