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Converting DVD+r to DVD-R....
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topgazza
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11. July 2006 @ 12:47 |
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Just tried copying DVD+R using DVD Shrink to hard disk then letting Nero burn copy to a DVD-R disk and that seems to work. Nero DVD copy doesn't even though I am using a DVD-R disk to copy to. Any simpler way to do this please...is there a config I can set in Nero to handle a DVD+R to DVD-R conversion ?
Am I going mad ? Is the world still round ?
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11. July 2006 @ 15:35 |
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first off you are not doing a convertion of any sort....... you are trying to copy a disk to another disk. You are making a copy of a copy and it shouldn't matter what kind of disk -R or +R you are copying from/to! try giving us the Nero log if you are having a problem....... and what version of Nero are you using?
you are not going mad ..... at least I don't think so ........ fustrated, maybe but mad...... well maybe we should send you to a SHRINK first! LOL
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11. July 2006 @ 22:06 |
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you dont even need DVD Shrink to make a copy of a backup just use "Nero Burning ROM" and copy the dvd on the fly or use DVD Decrypter ISO read ISO write and bam your done no need to transcode it with DVD Shrink again to make a copy of a copy and you can use any combo a DVD+R to a DVD-R ,DVD-R to a DVD+R etc that doesnt matter at all
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12. July 2006 @ 03:02 |
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aabbccdd..... love your sig... it's back! LOL and you can even do a copy to an RW! let's not forget the RW disks.
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topgazza
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12. July 2006 @ 05:29 |
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Thanks guys I know I'm being dense but I really am a point and squirt user. I'll check the version of Nero I'm on but I could not see any obvious way to instruct it that is is copying from a +r to a -R. Am I right in assuming that regardless of the media if I put a -r blank disk in to be copied to the sofware will just write a "+r" copy from the +r source? And that a +r disk image is different from a -R image in the way its enocded ? As my Sony Cinema system, only plays -R disks this would appear to be the problem...I think. I know the terminology I'm using is wrong, such as "converting" but do you get what i mean ?
Should Nero read the kind of blank media in the burner and burn appropriatly ? is that what you are saying should happen ?
Oh, I should point out these are images from a VCR tape burnt to a +r DVD recorder
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topgazza
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12. July 2006 @ 06:03 |
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...theres more...yes..stay awake at the back..
Of course my copy plays on my PC and my sons TV with built in DVD but they play all media types so I know the source is good and the copy is good but obviously looks like a +r written image to the Sony so it kicks it out as unreadable.
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12. July 2006 @ 06:47 |
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topgazza
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12. July 2006 @ 07:04 |
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Ahh....ping...(sound of penny dropping)...I have a Pioneer 111d (new)and a Pioneer 109 which, I believe are both capable of doing this. I've seen the DVD-Rom selection of Nero which others here have kindly mentioned as well. I'll give it a go tonight....many thanks. i'll feedback how I get on...
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topgazza
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31. July 2006 @ 01:34 |
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Been on holiday...
My DVd player under my TV doesn't read DVD-ROMS or DVD+R. So, without appearing even thicker than I am, if I copy on the fly a DVD+R disk to a DVD-R disk will I end up with a DVD-R disk that my DVD Player will read ?
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31. July 2006 @ 02:17 |
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Maybe?
That first backup copy has to be a good copy. Too many errors,or in the wrong spot and you'll get a crc error-resulting in a coaster for OTF burning.
If you backup a plus backup disc to your harddrive,and re-burn it to a dash disc and it doesn't work,then possibility OTF may not work either.
When it comes to backup discs,some stand alone players can be very screwy. They can even be sensitive to certain MID coded media,format,and even different burners-using the exact same format of media.
Booktyping takes care of those issues-which are all due to compatability. Booktyping not available,a new el-cheapo stand alone player should take care of that issue.
You could also try another burn engine:
Dvd decrypter: Mode iso read to harddrive and Mode ISO write. Takes 5 mins to rip to harddrive,locate those mds files and burn away.
Stand alone players can be sensitive to burn engines as well! Nothing guarateed when it comes to playing dvd backups.
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31. July 2006 @ 03:27 |
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wow a dvd player that wont read dvd-rom that's unheard of...
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topgazza
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31. July 2006 @ 04:17 |
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Thats what I thought.
Its a Sony DAV-550. Its an excellant AV system at the lower end of the market and is about 3-4 years old. Unbeliveably it won't play the floowing CD-ROMS or DVD-ROMS as well as +R disks. Thought about ungrading it to a multi format, modern, system but its never been a prob until now. Mind you none of the modern alternatives I've seen actually say they play DVD-ROMS but I guess its implied.
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31. July 2006 @ 06:55 |
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Store bought movies are DVD Roms. Does your player play store bought movies?
Some Pioneer burners were/are not capable of booktyping. Your's may not have done what you thought it was doing. You can get a small program called DVD Identifier, and it will tell you if the discs you burned, were booktyped to DVD Rom or not. You can get it here, for free:
http://dvd.identifier.cdfreaks.com/
Like was said..........a player that won't play DVD Roms, is unheard of.
My stepfather had a player that wouldn't play +R's or -R's, at all. I tried both, several times. I booktyped a +R to DVD Rom, and put it in his player. It played flawlessly. So, I'm thinking your burner couldn't, or didn't booktype, for some reason. The DVD Identifier program is also good for telling you who the manufacturer of your discs is too (Taiyo Yuden, CMC Mag, etc.). Very handy program.
Good luck!
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topgazza
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31. July 2006 @ 07:18 |
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This is good stuff, thanks JVC. I've not tried burning a ROM because the list, in the instructions, says it cannot play them....but...it does indeed play store bought DVDs. So I will give it a go via Nero. I have a Pioneer 111 and a 109 burner in my PC
I will download that program as well so many thanks for that
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31. July 2006 @ 11:43 |
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You'll have to have a special hacked firmware to be able to booktype with the pioneer 109 and 111
There's a firmware called the buffalo firmware. You'll have to crossflash your pioneer firmware to that buffalo firmware,but I'm not sure the exact model # it'll work with.Most likely the 109?
It'll be risky,but a last option.
The info should be at cdfreaks.com under pioneer dvd-rws or firmware. They know their firmware over there at cdfreaks.com
Your standalone plays original dvds, which it should. After that,comes our backups.This is where the different formats come in,and those picky stand alone players being able to recognize them.
Also note,as dvd players age,so does their reading ability. This may contribute to those no disc errors when you slap your backups in it. It may be in need of a lens cleaning? I consider those lens cleanings with the hard disc as a last resort. Every once in a while they may ruin a drive.
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31. July 2006 @ 11:47 |
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topgazza
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31. July 2006 @ 12:00 |
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I think you're right. I just burnt the image as a DVD-Rom using Nero and it plays Ok. Makes it difficult to believe manuals, even from the likes of Sony, when they appear to make statements like this without qualification. Mind you it is about 3-4 years old and I know technology in this area has advanced a lot. As I said it works superbly as a cinema surround system so to upgrade would mean throwing a decent bit of kit away.
Good news is, thanks to you guys, I appear to have solved the problem. Cheers
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31. July 2006 @ 12:42 |
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I'm glad you got her straight.
I definitely know you can't go by manufacturers specs. Here's a link to some of them:
http://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers.php
Just type in a model# and you can read the specs and user feedback.But you can't go by it.
I've had 7 burners,including my tv burner.I have problems with the dash format off my HP and I/O Magic drives-but no problem with dash off my benqs. Some of my family and friends do,so I use plus format-booktyped to dvd-rom. The most compatable format,not counting the dvd-rom of original dvds.
Standalones can have problems with certain burners. At least pioneer is up there on the quality scale. There's some crappy brands out there to avoid.
Good Luck and burn on!!!
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1. August 2006 @ 21:46 |
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This is one of the post stupid threads I've read (and no, not because of the people who tried to help). The original poster doesn't know how to describe the problems he's facing, and he doesn't how to read his equipment manuals, and he has not read enough to distinguish between +r and -R.
Definitly this is one the TOP 10 MOST STUPID POSTS.
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2. August 2006 @ 01:37 |
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Quote:
This is one of the post stupid threads I've read
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Definitly this is one the TOP 10 MOST STUPID POSTS.
?????? Your post looks like #11 LMFAO!
Opinions are like a**holes,everyone's got one, LOL.
Here's topgazza's opening post:
Just tried copying DVD+R using DVD Shrink to hard disk then letting Nero burn copy to a DVD-R disk and that seems to work. Nero DVD copy doesn't even though I am using a DVD-R disk to copy to. Any simpler way to do this please...is there a config I can set in Nero to handle a DVD+R to DVD-R conversion ?
camellote:What's there to explain-it's all in that opening post.A very simple,but common issue. He/she knows the difference between plus and dash,just needed a little help on that minor compatability issue.
Manuals aren't 100% accurate. Every dvd burner is different,just like every stand alone player is different. It's all the variations between all the many/many lasers being used to read and write our discs.
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topgazza
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2. August 2006 @ 04:06 |
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I'm quite proud to be in the top 10 of any list..
As Saugmon points out I thought my question was a simple one. My home DVD player does not play +R disks so how do I copy a +R to a -R disk if its anything more that a straight copy disk to disk? When I did a disk to disk it still wouldn't read on my Home player even though the copy was to a -R disk. Now, thatcould have been a bad burn of course but I wouild never have thought asking an innocent question would result in such a response. Whats stupid about that? If "you" don't know something you ask or would people prefer posters not to ask any questions at all ? I have no problem being told that my question is "wrong" in its phrasing because of a lack of understanding...thats why I'm posting for heavens sake. To be educated...which I have been so thanks again for those that helped.
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2. August 2006 @ 12:01 |
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Everyone had to be a newbie at something, at 1 time in their life!
topgazza: I had the exact same issue with my lil bro's sherwood dvd player.He's 35 and still living with mommie and daddie, LOL
It wouldn't play my dash backups. My dad's NEC 1200A recognized those dash backup,so I re-ripped them onto plus media. No problem after that-so I avoid the dash media for his player.
After booktyping those backups,good luck on finding a drive that won't recognize them!
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topgazza
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2. August 2006 @ 15:08 |
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Indeed. I think what threw me until I ignored the manual for my Sony DAV-S550 was "Will not play DVD-ROMs" WHAT?
Still have no idea what that is refering to because it does.
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JoeRyan
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3. August 2006 @ 13:05 |
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The manual is referring to "DVD-ROM" in the strict computer sense of a data disc format. "DVD-Video" would be the strict description of a disc with a movie on it. The manual is confusing.
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topgazza
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3. August 2006 @ 13:12 |
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Indeedy....still, only a couple of coasters.....
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