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VJbob
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22. July 2006 @ 12:31 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Are Blu-ray and HD-DVD going to have region coding like regular DVDs? Also will there be one picture format or NTSC and PAL again?
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22. July 2006 @ 14:07 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
yes there will be region endoding at least for Blu-ray


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray#Region_codes
diabolos
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22. July 2006 @ 19:19 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
As for region coding...

Yes for Blu-ray,

No for HD-DVD.

DTV is a world standard! It was created to replace the PAL and NTSC systems. So, no you don't have to worry about that anymore (although broadcast formats vary from region to region).

DTV: Formats...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_television#Formats

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VJbob
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23. July 2006 @ 13:08 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
thanks for the info.

Does anybody know how large the capacity is for either HD-DVD discs and Blu-ray that are being sold now? Is it single layer?

Also how big are the respective movie files? I would guess only about 15GB max but thats just a guess.

Can the discs be ripped with Decrypter and AnyDVD? Not that it really matters since there are no burners.
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24. July 2006 @ 15:33 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
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Does anybody know how large the capacity is for either HD-DVD discs and Blu-ray that are being sold now? Is it single layer?

Also how big are the respective movie files? I would guess only about 15GB max but thats just a guess.
The HD-DVD discs are 30BG dual layer discs. The Hybrid layer discs are 15GB single layer on one side and DVD-9 on the other side.

The Blu-ray discs are all 25GB sigle layers discs.
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Can the discs be ripped with Decrypter and AnyDVD? Not that it really matters since there are no burners.
No. Except the DVD-9 side of the Hybrid HD-DVDs are able to be ripped of course.

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This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 25. July 2006 @ 03:15

VJbob
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24. July 2006 @ 17:12 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
a merely 15GB. Maybe in 3 years when they start encoding at least 30GB movies I'll be an HD player.

As for the region coding, I guess that makes me an HD-DVD fan. Although a longtime Sony brand fan I can't stand more region coding although I understand how its important (so you can't buy the same DVD in Singapore for $5 where in the US it cost $20). At the same time I can't playback my REGION 2 DVD movies which, by the way, cost between $40-$70 each and I have to make DVD-5 backups of those. Well enough complaining.

Thanks for the info.
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24. July 2006 @ 18:42 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Actually, I think Ced meant to say that BluRay is 25 Gigs for single layer and 50 Gigs for double layer.
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25. July 2006 @ 03:21 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Thankz dblbogey7,

Yes, I did mean to say Blu-ray is using 25GB single layer discs not 15GB (sorry). But, to my knowlege, the Blu-ray camp isn't selling any movies using 50GB dual layers discs yet.


Check-out these lists of movies catagorized by disc type and codec...

HD-DVD:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD-DVD#Released_titles

Blu-ray:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray


Ced

This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 25. July 2006 @ 03:22

eatsushi
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25. July 2006 @ 06:16 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Here's a post from an MS insider and VC-1 expert on how you can fit a four hour movie (example - LOTR Extended Edition) on a double layer 30 Gig HD-DVD:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7733344&&#post7733344
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Seriously, let?s get down to numbers. We are talking about LOTR EE which clocks at 223 or shy-4 hours. Now let?s talk about audio. Here, let?s be realistic folks. There is no 96 Khz soundtrack. The only thing that exists (now and in the future) is 48Khz/24-bit (and I doubt it really has 24-bit of resolution but let?s put that aside for now). Any 96Khz soundtrack would have to be artificially generated in a mixing house so it won?t have more resolution or fidelity. Someone else can correct me but older movies are unlikely to have surround sounds at full frequency and response. If so, they can compress much, much better than numbers I use below.

Now, if we are going with a lossless track, then I hope everyone accepts that the secondary track for backward compatibility can be some sort of DD+/DTS at 640Kbps or thereabouts. Let?s put all of this together.

At 12 Mbit/sec for VC-1, video uses 20.1 Gigabytes.
Lossless track, using Dolby?s TrueHD average compression rate of 2.4 (per Dolby experts at Home Theater Cruise talk), gives us 4.1 Gigabytes.
Lossy audio track uses 1.1 gigabytes.
Total = 20.1+4.1+1.1 = 25.2 Gigabytes

Doing the math for VC-1 at 15 Mbit/sec, pushes the total to 30 Gigabytes.

So now the question becomes, what kind of quality you can get out of VC-1 at 12-15 Mbit/sec. Our experience is that with our latest encoders and cleaner film stock (which LOTR falls into), we are getting incredible picture quality at just 10 Mbit/sec. Yes, 10 Mbit/sec. Indeed, one of the titles people talk about here all the time, will soon be released at 12 Mbit/sec, but the 10 Mbit/sec version looks just as good.
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30. August 2006 @ 12:20 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
are all HD-DVDs in hybrid format? Will Blu-ray make Hybrid DVDs too?

I assume the DVD9 is the same as the retail DVD of the same movie.
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30. August 2006 @ 12:29 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
No - not all HD-DVD's are in combo/hybrid. No word yet on BluRay coming out with combo/hybrid discs.

Combo Releases so far - HD-DVD on one side and SD DVD on the other side:

16 Blocks (Warner)
Animal House (Universal)
ATL (Warner)
Firewall (Warner)
Good Night, and Good Luck (Warner)
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang (Warner)
Rumor Has It (Warner)
Unleashed (Universal)





"The emergence of a single, high-definition format is cause for consumers, as well as the entire entertainment industry, to celebrate."
-Craig Kornblau, president of Universal Home Entertainment Feb 19, 2008
VJbob
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30. August 2006 @ 13:57 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
is there an official site online for combo releases on HD-DVD?

Does it say "hybrid DVD" on the commercial disc packaging?
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dblbogey7
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30. August 2006 @ 16:02 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
The discs are labeled COMBO FORMAT - not Hybrid DVD:

http://www.amazon.com/Slither-DVD-HD-Com...0?ie=UTF8&s=dvd

This is the site I consult for previous and forthcoming releases. It also tells you if they are COMBO or pure HD-DVD.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=692850
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