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princedvd
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29. August 2006 @ 14:55 |
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I am deciding whether I should get a HD-DVD player, or wait until a clear winner in the HD and Blu-ray battle is final. I'm itching to get one, but if I do and the other company wins, I'm screwed with a format thats dead.
Should I go ahead and get the player? Should I get a Playstation 3 that has a Blu-ray player? Should I wait until the price drops?
Please help me reach a decision. I really like HD-DVD after some of the reviews I have read. Blu-ray reviews have been pretty negative.
Thanks.
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29. August 2006 @ 20:54 |
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Don't get either. Both formats are already outdated as HVD is finishing standardization. Frankly, you can get very-HD-like quality by simply buying an upconverting DVD player - many say while it's not quite HD, it's very close. Better to do that than play the sucker's game and re-purchase your entire DVD collection in a format that's going to be extinct in a few years regardless of who wins the format war.
-Do you believe you own your computer and shouldn't be told what you can run and do? Then say *NO* to Microsoft Vista!
-Since half the questions here involve media problems, here ya go: Only use Verbatim or Taiyo-Yuden discs (get your TYs from Rima.com, not Supermediastore or meritline). Forget the rest, no matter what "brand" they sell under. Always burn at 4x speed regardless of the speed rating of this discs or your drive. If you have burn problems with these then you have to update your drive's firmware. For double-layer discs, only use Verbatim DVD+R DL and burn them at 2.4x speed.
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oofRome
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29. August 2006 @ 23:16 |
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regardless of the standardization of holographic video disk, the fact that production costs and hardware costs will continue to be so high for at least a decade should be reason enough to realize it won't be replacing HD-DVD or Blu-ray. (At least, anytime soon)
HVD will be much more useful for storage capacity than audio/video playback.
Not to mention the fact that there is more than one type of HVD, so there's competition no matter what you're going to be buying.
what has happened with hd-dvd/blu-ray combo players?
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dblbogey7
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30. August 2006 @ 04:53 |
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@princedvd:
Think of it this way - if you're looking for a good upconverting DVD player then you will be mightily impressed by the HD-A1. I've seen several upconverters from Oppo, Denon, Samsung and Zenith and I can say the A1 blows them all away. Consider the flagship Denon is $1K and this Toshiba is now available for less than $499 if you look around. Just think of the HD-DVD ability as a bonus. If you have a halfway decent HD display then I think you'll be impressed.
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eatsushi
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30. August 2006 @ 07:35 |
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I have the Denon 3910 and it's now semi-retired in favor of the HD-A1 upconversion. I use the Denon now only for non Region 1 SD DVD's
"The emergence of a single, high-definition format is cause for consumers, as well as the entire entertainment industry, to celebrate."
-Craig Kornblau, president of Universal Home Entertainment Feb 19, 2008
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30. August 2006 @ 10:31 |
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dont be talking about HVD because its stupid at this point? who needs all the capactiy. technogogy will only grow profiablty as demand grows. as of now, i dotn see any movie that needs 1 Tb of space! lol
i say dont get either untill its clear that HD DVD is the winner lol im biased but read my sig.
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30. August 2006 @ 17:07 |
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Based on the history of DVD and other formats, HVD should be within the reach of the consumer within 5 years or so. The only likely cause of a delay is deliberate attempts by consumer electronics manufacturers and/or content providers to milk HD/BD a little longer. However, HVD has so many potential selling points (e.g. entire seasons of shows on a single disc, or 2-hour, hi-def movies on a disc smaller than an SD card) that both will have a vested interest in expediting this technology.
-Do you believe you own your computer and shouldn't be told what you can run and do? Then say *NO* to Microsoft Vista!
-Since half the questions here involve media problems, here ya go: Only use Verbatim or Taiyo-Yuden discs (get your TYs from Rima.com, not Supermediastore or meritline). Forget the rest, no matter what "brand" they sell under. Always burn at 4x speed regardless of the speed rating of this discs or your drive. If you have burn problems with these then you have to update your drive's firmware. For double-layer discs, only use Verbatim DVD+R DL and burn them at 2.4x speed.
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JaguarGod
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31. August 2006 @ 17:58 |
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HVD, would be good for high bitrate HDTV. Uncompressed HDTV is about 1Gbps so you are looking at about a 50:1 compression now with the highest bitrate movies. Take that 1gbps and figure a 2 hour movie and you are looking at about 900GB of space needed. I would say that an HVD is perfect for storing an uncompressed HD movie. It is also good for UHDTV (7680x4320). However, I am not even sure if 1TB can hold an entire UHDTV movie compressed...
As for it being put into mainstream, not until they sucked all the profit out of the current standards.
I say, if you actually like the movies that are coming out now, you can go ahead and get one. I have seen the Samsung Blue Ray player and the Toshiba HD-DVD player. The Samsung is a piece of garbage (construction wise) while the Toshiba is very well built. The Toshiba is almost worth it if you want a good DVD player.
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31. August 2006 @ 19:09 |
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yeah
and why that hell is that guy always advetising HVD ( not jaugargod), that crap is worthless literally, i mean raw panavison or super35 or what ever in digital form isnt even anywahere near half of a HVD so why teh hell do u even talk about it. i said it before: techonlgy grows with demand, where is the demand for HVD otehr than massive backups fo enterprise)
peace
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dblbogey7
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2. September 2006 @ 04:39 |
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2. September 2006 @ 12:44 |
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Because HVD is the future, not BD or HD. A technology that can put full hi-def movies with extras on discs small enough to fit in an iPod or entire seasons of TV shows on a single disc is a worthwhile goal; another format war using outdated media is not. If you feel like being a sucker and re-purchasing your content only to have it outdated in a few years, go ahead. I find that as funny as it is pathetic that some folks will allow themselves to milked like a cow. I'm just not one of them.
-Do you believe you own your computer and shouldn't be told what you can run and do? Then say *NO* to Microsoft Vista!
-Since half the questions here involve media problems, here ya go: Only use Verbatim or Taiyo-Yuden discs (get your TYs from Rima.com, not Supermediastore or meritline). Forget the rest, no matter what "brand" they sell under. Always burn at 4x speed regardless of the speed rating of this discs or your drive. If you have burn problems with these then you have to update your drive's firmware. For double-layer discs, only use Verbatim DVD+R DL and burn them at 2.4x speed.
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dblbogey7
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2. September 2006 @ 18:43 |
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About HVD:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc
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With such a high end storage capacity, it would seem like a better technology than either HD DVD or Blu-ray Disc. However, the reader currently costs approximately US$15,000, and a single disc currently costs approximately US$120, and by 2010, will cost about US$100. The market for this format is currently not the common consumer, but is instead for those with very large storage needs.
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3. September 2006 @ 00:20 |
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The cost will drop in very short order, especially if produced in the volume necessary to satisfy consumer demand.
-Do you believe you own your computer and shouldn't be told what you can run and do? Then say *NO* to Microsoft Vista!
-Since half the questions here involve media problems, here ya go: Only use Verbatim or Taiyo-Yuden discs (get your TYs from Rima.com, not Supermediastore or meritline). Forget the rest, no matter what "brand" they sell under. Always burn at 4x speed regardless of the speed rating of this discs or your drive. If you have burn problems with these then you have to update your drive's firmware. For double-layer discs, only use Verbatim DVD+R DL and burn them at 2.4x speed.
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error5
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3. September 2006 @ 06:52 |
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You can wait for HVD prices to come down but I'd rather enjoy my HD movies now while I'm still young. Who knows - I could die tomorrow.
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diabolos
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3. September 2006 @ 09:19 |
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Some have speculated that using optical media as a medium well become a think of the past in a few years. It is predicted that Internet downloads will snuff out all current and future disc based distabution formats once those industries mature.
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4. September 2006 @ 00:29 |
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Like I said, if you want to re-purchase the same junk over and over and over again, be my guest. That's why Hollywood can afford to pay starts $50 million per movie.
-Do you believe you own your computer and shouldn't be told what you can run and do? Then say *NO* to Microsoft Vista!
-Since half the questions here involve media problems, here ya go: Only use Verbatim or Taiyo-Yuden discs (get your TYs from Rima.com, not Supermediastore or meritline). Forget the rest, no matter what "brand" they sell under. Always burn at 4x speed regardless of the speed rating of this discs or your drive. If you have burn problems with these then you have to update your drive's firmware. For double-layer discs, only use Verbatim DVD+R DL and burn them at 2.4x speed.
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dblbogey7
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4. September 2006 @ 05:36 |
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@Dunker:
You obviously don't enjoy watching movies. If you think everything that comes from Hollywood is junk then you probably have no business owning a DVD player or any media playback device.
A music analogy: My dad owns all the Beatles albums in three different forms: vinyl, cassette and CD. If they came out in SACD or DVD-A he would have bought them too. I asked him why and he said because he loves their music. Some things are just worth having if they give you pleasure.
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oofRome
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4. September 2006 @ 15:56 |
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Quote:
Some have speculated that using optical media as a medium well become a think of the past in a few years. It is predicted that Internet downloads will snuff out all current and future disc based distabution formats once those industries mature.
Ced
i was just about to point that out, since dunker didn't even bother to read what me or dblbogey had to say about HVD being popular for audio/video playback.
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JaguarGod
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4. September 2006 @ 19:03 |
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@Dunker,
Disc-wise, HVD is less than half the price of Blue Ray (per GB), but about 3x the price of DVD. However, the high drive cost takes it out of the competition.
Personally, I would have preferred HVD to the current formats. The reason being you can get about 3 hours of D5 quality video on the smaller discs. However, I would estimate that the player would cost $5,000 - $7,000 and the movies around $60.
There is a chance that HVD can make it into the next gen movie race, but that is only if the format war is undecided and Blue Ray remains at about $1,000 for the player and $30 for a movie. Also, Studios would need to back it.
The reason being that in 2 years I expect that a 300GB HVD would be priced at around $40 (this is of course only if it takes off in the mass storage market). That will most likely be around the same price as a 50GB Blue Ray media. If the drives drop to well under $10,000, it would make a $2,000 player with $30 movies possible. Combined with D5 quality, it would actually sell very well. However, I think that a winner will emerge before HVD becomes a possibility.
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5. September 2006 @ 17:50 |
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As I said, though, the prices will come down as more the technology becomes more accessible to consumers. I remember when CD and then DVD burners were still in the $5000-10,000 range, and I'm sure folks here remember when they were quite a bit more.
@oofrome
Please learn to read. You'll find that's the second time I had to post a a fundamental principle of economics - producing something in quantity (or for a large-quantity market) helps drop prices. I'll dumb it down a bit further if you need me to do so.
-Do you believe you own your computer and shouldn't be told what you can run and do? Then say *NO* to Microsoft Vista!
-Since half the questions here involve media problems, here ya go: Only use Verbatim or Taiyo-Yuden discs (get your TYs from Rima.com, not Supermediastore or meritline). Forget the rest, no matter what "brand" they sell under. Always burn at 4x speed regardless of the speed rating of this discs or your drive. If you have burn problems with these then you have to update your drive's firmware. For double-layer discs, only use Verbatim DVD+R DL and burn them at 2.4x speed.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 5. September 2006 @ 17:53
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redZoneOS
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6. September 2006 @ 00:13 |
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well I guesss I'll give u guys my opinion too... I'm a huge PS fan and I will no doubt be buying the PS3. Now I'm certainly not buying the PS3 for Blu-ray cuz I dont trust sony's ability to market their products (remember mini-disk LOL)....HOWEVER, seeing that Sony is making a gaming console with Blu-ray built in, I dont see how Blu-ray will ever go away... well, at least not for another decade... Consider the life span of the PS, and PS2... right around a decade a piece... Even if PS3 lasts half that time, it would be worth me spending the 600 dollars on the latest gaming console that I LOVE, and get Blu-ray which retails for more then that anyway... I just dont see how there is any competition??? for the duration of PS3, Blu-ray is a guaranteed success... HD-DVD can offer no such promise.
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JaguarGod
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8. September 2006 @ 09:24 |
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@redZoneOS,
I only hope the PS3 is made in Japan. Right now, it is definately in my mind not to buy it, but if it is made in Japan, I will consider it. I only do not know about the BD player on it. It may be missing some features or require a $100 Blue Ray package (cheap remote control). You have a point that the PS3 may give Blue Ray some extra life.
@Dunker,
I forgot to mention...Toshiba is supporting Optware which are the founders of HVD and those Holographic cards. Maybe if HD DVD fails, they may go holographic in some way (Toshiba states smooth transition which could mean backwards compatibility with HD DVD). The Holographic cards are pretty cool too because they are about $1 for 30GB and the reader is only $2000.
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8. September 2006 @ 18:15 |
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@JaguarGod
The PS# will be made in Japan, from what I've read. Which should mean averagely good quality.
And I agree with Bluray staying round even if it doesn't win the format war, as all games for ps3 are meant to be being released on BD the format even if it fails for movies will never really fail, and will last for a long time (maybe even longer then HD-DVD).
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13. September 2006 @ 11:14 |
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Three cheers for Dunker.Finally someone is making sense.
I purchased a Toshiba upconverting dvd player to go with
my Sony 50A10 hd rear projection tv and the picture
quality is terrific.Not up to Hd quality but good enough
to get me to want to rewatch my dvd's and see them in
a whole new and better light.
In my humble opinion to replace your dvd collection just
isn't worth it,when upconverting will give you a really
good picture.
I can't see HVD taking off anytime soon either,no matter
what the so-called experts say.
Sony HDTV KF-E50A10
PS3 ( 60gb)
Toshiba DVD Player SD-4980SC ( upconverting)
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zest
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16. September 2006 @ 17:18 |
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i just want to add my 2 cents, the toshiba hd a1 is also a very good upconvertor, it easly bests my oppo 971 and ive read several threads which owners of the venerable denon 3910 say the new toshiba hd a1 upconverts better than their denon.
So for one third the cost ( of the denon )you get a great upconvertor and the latest tech. for HD-DVD movies.
However the hd a1 doesnt care for scratched disks so im going to keep my oppo around for that duty.
i agree about rebuying your dvd's for a new format, but this isnt the case with the toshiba , and a Hd-Tv should have a Hd-player as well dont you think
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