|
EliteTorrents shut down by U.S. customs and FBI
|
|
The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 25 May, 2005
EliteTorrents, a well known and one of the most used BitTorrent sites has been shut down today by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and US Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Here is the entire press release...
WASHINGTON, D.C. - Acting Assistant Attorney General John C. Richter of the Criminal Division, Homeland Security Assistant Secretary for Immigration and Customs Enforcement ... [ read the full article ]
Please read the original article before posting your comments.
|
|
McBoobs
Suspended due to non-functional email address
|
31. May 2005 @ 13:07 |
Link to this message
|
|
They've been said a few times, but I'd like to echo some good points.
1) If I couldn't download it I still wouldn't buy or pay to see it. This goes for most things; I'm cheap and can wait till a friend gets it or it is on TV. This doesn't go for rare items (Cannibal the Musical, Mulholland Drive ect) as I buy those if I like them/can find them.
There is no way I'm the only one who thinks this way. Them converting every download into the loss of a $20 DVD sale or $8 movie ticket is stupid, maybe 0.1% to 0.5% of downloads would convert to sales on a good day.
2) I would have to pay $8.00 (Way too much) to see King Aurther (good) and Alexander (long and boring) and Napoleon Dynamite (good but didn't cost as much to make, pass the savings darn it!). Personally I prefer paying $3 and watching Bubba Ho Tep three months after if left the big theater with a beer and a pizza at this kick ass theater in Athens, GA. That's the way things should be everywhere for all movies. Sadly I don't live near a theater like this myself and so do not go to movies, I'm too cheap for it.
That said, it's cool to be able to get the new stuff to see if I would want to ever buy it (I downloaded, watched and bought King Aurther). I don't know what the movie companies are complaining about, it's free advertising. I'd say I'm more likely to buy a movie I download than just going blindly into the store to buy one because I refuse to go to the movies and pay half the ownership cost to preview the goods.
If the movie industry wants to do something to turn those downloads into money, they should make the movies available for download in Xvid quality for $2 a pop over high speed connections. They would get flooded with sales. They would lose a minimum of theater goers as they want to see it on the big screen or on a date and the DVD buyers would still want DVD quality and special features.
Vote Libertarian, at least most of them own computers and some tech laws can get straightened out.
|
|
Advertisement
|
|
|
|
AfterDawn Addict
|
1. June 2005 @ 00:02 |
Link to this message
|
Quote:
That said, it's cool to be able to get the new stuff to see if I would want to ever buy it (I downloaded, watched and bought King Aurther). I don't know what the movie companies are complaining about, it's free advertising. I'd say I'm more likely to buy a movie I download than just going blindly into the store to buy one because I refuse to go to the movies and pay half the ownership cost to preview the goods.
good piont! anyone here of the film the MATRIX, well if you see the first and liked it, film onwers got 3 times the money for a leak via the net out of that one! as really it was one film split into 3 films (clever) it made them and the actors a mint fortune! even the stunt men got harley davidson motorcycles that keanu bought them for a present!
Nothing here to see, move along folks.
 This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 1. June 2005 @ 00:05
|
|
xts3
Suspended due to non-functional email address
|
2. June 2005 @ 11:04 |
Link to this message
|
|
Copyright still doesn't matter that much, for many things it would take you years to experience all the entertianment and copyrighted works out there. Most people that warez or torrent simply would not buy the product anyway. Also the capitalsit market idealogy is not exactly the just or fair in anyway to those at the bottom who have their wages completely stagnate while inflation keeps on trucking and even with high level education jobs being outsourced due to curreny inequality that is simply not fair market practice in any sense. Businesses exploit their workers, lets not pretend that they are the greatest things in the world with big Corporate fraud like Enron and Worldcom, many business people are greedy vicious fucks who don't care about the little people they screw in the quest for profit.
|
|
bobright
Suspended permanently
|
2. June 2005 @ 12:00 |
Link to this message
|
|
How about other p2p programs like Limewire, Wares, Ares?
thoughts?
|
|
Sledge13
Inactive
|
2. June 2005 @ 14:29 |
Link to this message
|
|
Just keep truckin and we'll all be ok. No matter what they do to protect their copyrights, we will get around it, as we've always done. When they get real with allowing us to make copies of what we have already paid for, there will be no more problem. Sure, bust the guy making a copy off the net, but let China get away with billions of dollars in illegal copying and selling counterfit products. MAKES SENCE TO ME. DUHHHHHHH
|
|
duke8888
Junior Member
|
2. June 2005 @ 16:09 |
Link to this message
|
|
I would advise each and everyone who is a citizen of the United States to watch their tails. Anyone who voted for Bush the last election has open a whole can of worms for the computer community. Let me tell you a little story. Over 4 years ago I got got in a FBI sting for software copyright issues. They dropped the charges and never heard a word from the Justice department. The FBI held my computer with hopes of finding a server sharing Copyright material like movies, games, hacks, serial numbers etc. They didn't find me a player like this network that was just busted. But they did get me for copyright infringment but like I said they drop the charges. Bush gets relected and Ashcroft tells all US districts to open back files and start procescuting white collar crimes. In Feb I get a call from my attorney telling me they are reintstating the charges. They were asking for 2 years in jail with a $750,000.00 fine. I had to plead out and I have to serve 6 months in a Federal Jail, they waived the fine, then I have to do 6 months of house arrest with 3 years supervised probation. Please take all of the claims and the charges serious people as if any of you shared movies, software and downloaded the stuff the FBI will soon be knocking on your door and tearing your house up and taking all of your equipment. Get rid of the stuff and if you are caught in the net by the Feds you will be doing time!
|
|
bobright
Suspended permanently
|
2. June 2005 @ 17:35 |
Link to this message
|
|
wow!
i still find it impossible to bust everyone. (of course)and i doubt they will push anything like that further than the few here and there
|
Senior Member
1 product review
|
2. June 2005 @ 20:18 |
Link to this message
|
|
@ Duke8888
How can we belive you are telling the truth. I myself will need proof before I belive what you said. Ever hear of scare tatics? (not the stupid TV show) What you posted is the exact same false information put out by the FEDS to try and scare people away from doing stuff. In other words it is a bluff. If you can lead me to some newspaper articles or something (more than 3 sources) proveing your claims then I might belive it. But even then those bluffs are printed in the paper as well.
You know that chick that suposidly got busted for MP3 Shareing. Now why on earth would they put her on TV if she comited a federal crime. We are not that stupid to belive stuff like that. Yes it is true an IP adress can be used to find a physical location. But do you know how difficult it realy is to get the information from the ISP. You have to get tons of approval to do so. By the time they knock on the door you already spent far more money than the person would be prosicuted for. It is not worth the FEDS time or money to go after an individual that downloads this type stuff every once and awhile. They go after the big guns. The ones makeing thousands of illegal file transfers a day. Those persons persicutions would be much more than the feds spent to get his physical adress.
Remember the TEST cards. You know the ones that hack DirectTV. Interesting that on the FBI web pages it admits they will not go after a person that buys one from time to time. They go after the ones that buy more than 500 at a time. So why would it be diferent in this case.
I really don't have much to worry about anyway. I just download an ocasinal out of country show and thats about it. Then delete after I watch it. I dont sell it. For all we know you are a FED spreading lies trying to scare people into not doing this. IF you look at how big this has become you will have to arrest pretty much the entire USA. This country would not be very productive if that happened.
Damn apple computer creator. Wanting all his stuff all to himself and creating this very problem. There was a time when all computer geeks got togeather and shared what they have learned freely (open source) then the apple computer guy discovered how to make a color pixle and refused to share it and made all his stuff secret (closed source) That bastard is the grandfather of this problem in all aspects. He set the way for corprate greed and everyone keeping secrets and crying to the feds when they are figured out. It is that very reason I do not and will not use a MAC or anything else with apple written on it. Pisses me off more that I had to install quicktime. Is there a non apple alternative to that? PC knowledge has always remained open source. Thats why many motherbords have same parts. Windows is another story.
Oh and in the 2% chance that your story is true then it sucks to be you.
-Del
I need spell check. Ah well you get what I am saying. Moderator, is there a way to get spell check in this?
|
Junior Member
|
2. June 2005 @ 20:29 |
Link to this message
|
|
I really hope that Duke8888's story isn't real;that sucks! I saw a really good shredder somewhere but I can't remember exactly where. What about trackerless bittorrents? This big brotherish tactics and harrassments is really annoying! As if one doesn't have enough shit to deal with in everday life. Is it just through ips that one is tracked? If so,there is idblocker.
|
|
scrubz
Suspended due to non-functional email address
|
2. June 2005 @ 20:48 |
Link to this message
|
|
its not hard to actually mask ur ip if ur one of those freaked out people getting nervous over downloading a few movies here and there. now, like del said, Duke8888, its very hard to prove something along the lines of what ur tryin to tell people. I myself (out of the other 10 billion that download stuff) download music and movies etc... but most of the items u recieve online thru file sharing is older stuff, ok ya, there is the occasional movie that is in theatres and people are downloading them. so what. i have downloaded movies but i have also bought them afterward because it is that good of a movie. Dvds and cds are way over priced and this type of thing will keep going on till the prices drop. out of the 4000 songs i have, i also have 274 cds that i have purchased over the last 4 years. people just download the extras or doubles cus they wanna mix music not have the same artist everytime. doesnt mean they stop buying cds. as for movies, i had Elf like 2 months before it came out, and i had menus and everything, but i went and bought it 2 days after release... so that gives the general idea of where some people stand. if you ask me... even tho im in canada, the MPAA can go blow a goat lol!
|
|
scrubz
Suspended due to non-functional email address
|
2. June 2005 @ 20:52 |
Link to this message
|
Oh and one other thing just to add to the record...... If the MPAA and all these other companys like movie productions etc... are worried about us copying and selling pirated versions of movies, why havent they stopped software companies from developing software that cracks security encoding and things like DVD Shrink or dvd santa etc... because they are just looking for an excuse to get money outta people, and harass them ... just a load of bull for a waste of time.. they dont know what they want
|
|
AyaJones
Suspended due to non-functional email address
|
2. June 2005 @ 22:05 |
Link to this message
|
|
You Americans are losing your freedoms little by little , piece by piece under the rule of a religious fundamentalist MANIAC. No stem cell research while the rest of the planet moves forward ? Using the FBI ,MPAA , FCC to clamp down on your ever diminishing freedoms .
FIGHT THE POWER !! long live the hackers , geeks who give us bit torrent , P2P and the like .
|
Senior Member
1 product review
|
2. June 2005 @ 22:48 |
Link to this message
|
|
Yes it is a shame to see all our freedoms taken away. Land of the free my ass. It was more free when I was in 1st grade. Now we are so close to comunist it isnt even funny. They want to controll our every choice, thoughts and mouths. The movie 1982 is not far off to what the USA is becoming. I can't even walk down the street without trying to remember what is illegal to do. It seems that when some cheese ass in the whitehouse does not like something he gets a law passed against it. Then boom another freedom taken away. I have my opinion on which poltical party is to blame but will not say here to avoid turning this thread into a politicel debate.
What the hell are they trying to turn this place into. To make certain Races happy they will twist history to involve the races that had nothing to do with the historical event. So the youth are now being tought false history. I can go on that forever but that is just an example of what is going on here. If hiliary (not worth capitalizing) wins then I am buying a passport and jumping ship. We are becoming a nation of cry baby whimps.
-Del
|
Senior Member
1 product review
|
2. June 2005 @ 22:55 |
Link to this message
|
|
correction to the above. The movie is 1984 which is also a book.
|
|
bobright
Suspended permanently
|
3. June 2005 @ 00:23 |
Link to this message
|
|
Yes it is a shame to see all our freedoms taken away. Land of the free my ass. It was more free when I was in 1st grade. Now we are so close to comunist it isnt even funny. They want to controll our every choice, thoughts and mouths. The movie 1982 is not far off to what the USA is becoming. I can't even walk down the street without trying to remember what is illegal to do. It seems that when some cheese ass in the whitehouse does not like something he gets a law passed against it. Then boom another freedom taken away. I have my opinion on which poltical party is to blame but will not say here to avoid turning this thread into a politicel debate.
What the hell are they trying to turn this place into. To make certain Races happy they will twist history to involve the races that had nothing to do with the historical event. So the youth are now being tought false history. I can go on that forever but that is just an example of what is going on here. If hiliary (not worth capitalizing) wins then I am buying a passport and jumping ship. We are becoming a nation of cry baby whimps.
-Del
Hahaha,
and...amen.
|
AfterDawn Addict
|
3. June 2005 @ 00:26 |
Link to this message
|
hi
4th of july, independnace day...ermmm???
i always remember a quote from the book/film animal farm
Quote:
All pigs are equal, but some pigs are more equal than others......
|
|
darkgarza
Suspended due to non-functional email address
|
3. June 2005 @ 01:12 |
Link to this message
|
|
Are u F###in' S###in' me
What the hell did they want us to do, just say "yes ,my master" and pay for all the stuff at the prices that they want...that can't be.
Im a poor mexican, with no job and a large family, and they want me to pay $400 pesos (about 36, 38 dlls)for a movie, i just won't do it, i prefer DL it just to protest against that greedy bastards.
All this mess its 'cause they are making less billions that they used to make...hahaha u gotta be kiddin me!!.
Like almost all the pl have set, just get down the prices and all wil be fine, and that suggestion about selling the movies on the net at low prices would do very well.
I hate those Caps of hell.
|
|
bobright
Suspended permanently
|
3. June 2005 @ 03:03 |
Link to this message
|
|
^^6
if more of us didnt have as much time on our hands, and uh jobs*cough* we would'nt have to be sittin around our computers all day, bootlegging
;)
|
Senior Member
|
3. June 2005 @ 04:35 |
Link to this message
|
Quote:
"yes ,my master"
HAHA!!! Just like Darth Vader...
Anyways, in lieu of some of the comments about us American's losing our freedoms little by little, yes that is a little true if not all of it.
Which is why I think that some third party companies are trying to make it easier to help out d/l'ers in general.
In essence, there are some torrent sites that are "masked" and that is an awesome idea, pretty ingenious if I say so, so this might be the next way to go. However, I know that it isn't full proof.
I know that I was/still am on the verge of creating a torrent site, however, with the raid on ET, it hasn't yet stopped the process, just needs to be refined a little.
It is truly sad about that and I was reading the article on USA Today which is a great paper here in the states and it was mentioned in it. As far as I know, this is the first shut down of a US torrent site. Oh well, I guess things change.
Anyways all...keep d/l'ing/seeding/and sharing and see you all in the forums!
"From now on we are poison to you Spider-man...Thats why we call ourselves... VENOM"
 This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 3. June 2005 @ 04:36
|
|
duke8888
Junior Member
|
3. June 2005 @ 04:48 |
Link to this message
|
|
We have no freedoms in this land as the Bush admin sucks in all ways. They want fill the jails up with petty crimes. They US prosecuter used the excuse my crime would have put people out of work and the judge bought it and made me to pay dearly.
|
|
Blessedon
Member
1 product review
|
3. June 2005 @ 05:18 |
Link to this message
|
|
OK, same topic-downloading-different type. Question: Should people in the US worry about downloading, say, the updated versions of Decrypter or Shrink. I mean, isn't that illegal there too???
|
|
Arnold2
Suspended due to non-functional email address
|
3. June 2005 @ 05:51 |
Link to this message
|
|
2 more cents, thought occurred to me that the big pic is to take control of the web any way they can. In an interview on TV Daddy indicated to Son he better get control of the web. Son nodded with an expression that Daddy let the cat out of the bag. This was when Son was new to the job. Not hear say I saw it.
arnold2
|
|
duke8888
Junior Member
|
3. June 2005 @ 06:53 |
Link to this message
|
|
Recently in Pittsburgh a student at CMU was caught by the feds. He created a file p2p server that allowed people from all over the world to download movies and music and copyright material programs. They shut him down and now he is being charged and it will take 2 years before his case comes to trial. They are seeking between 7 to 9 years and a fine of $750,000. Recently the feds arrested a mail sending spam emails they had his trial and was sent to jail for 9 years with a fine of 1 million bucks. His case is on appeal but he sits in jail until the appeal is reviewed. The feds are trying to set new laws with the internet and they plan to be very creative. Recently Tommy Chong who had a web site in California was charged in Pittsburgh federal court for selling bong pipes online. He was sent away for 10 months and fined 1 million and lost of web site. Record, movie and software companies are being very active in making civil suits as well as criminal. The federal courts and jails are so backlogged it is stupid. Now they want to sent people who are not harden criminals to jail. If I was a criminal and if I knew of any illegal activities I would have gotten probation instead of jail time. That sucks.... People be very up and up and do not laugh in the face of the feds they have the pariot act on their side and can use it anyway they see fit. They are and you will see more people getting tried and convicted soon.
|
|
Blessedon
Member
1 product review
|
3. June 2005 @ 08:02 |
Link to this message
|
|
P.A.T.R.I.O.T. A.C.T.
Politicians Abusing Taxpapers Rights In Order To Appease Corporate Tantrums.
|
|
Advertisement
|
|
|
Senior Member
|
3. June 2005 @ 08:15 |
Link to this message
|
|
HOLY CRAP!!!
LMAO!!! Now that's FUNNY!!!!
"From now on we are poison to you Spider-man...Thats why we call ourselves... VENOM"
|
