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kakihara6
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13. August 2007 @ 14:41 |
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first of all I apologize if I'm bumping a dead thread, I just found this on google
thank you very much for this guide, I got a few nasty letters from my ISP a while back
however, a friend of mine from work told me that downloading files to an external hard drive and keeping the hard drive disconnected when not downloading can keep me safe from my ISP. I'm pretty computer illiterate but I'm a bit skeptical about this because from what I understand my ISP can catch my IP uploading files even if it doesn't recognize the location and my coworker is a bit of a redneck, honestly
if anyone can confirm whether this will help at all I'd greatly appreciate it
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Xplorer4
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13. August 2007 @ 16:50 |
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Originally posted by tencows: I'm a bit skeptical about these tactics actually helping you much. Encryption prevents someone on your path listening in on what you're up to, ie your ISP. Which would be fine, except that's probably not how the authorities track p2p users - pinpointing each user individually and tracking them through ISP cooperation would be a monumental, impossible task. Much more logical is that they simply connect to the same downloads and just keep a list of all the peers providing them the data. Do this all the time, 24/7, at numerous sites, and they can quite quickly build a database of the top downloaders. You only need to track, say, 1000 or so of the most popular downloads (recent films, album releases, etc) to probably effectively track over 90% of everyone. Then just take the top users, send scary letters, confiscate computers, etc. Why get the ISP involved? It's just annoying paperwork and bad press.
As for IP filters (peer guardian, hosts file, firewalls, etc), I _really_ question the plausibility of people actually being able to figure out all, or even a small chunk of, the IPs used by the various authorities (MPAA, RIAA, BSA, police, etc). It's absolutely trivial to get a massive pool of IPs and use them totally randomly, and even to change them all at a moments notice, with even just a little cooperation from any ISP or IP registry. Hell, you don't even need their cooperation, and they don't even need to know what you're up to.
I'd guess these lists are mostly gathered from IP registries, dns records, whois, the occasional "informer" and such, which probably means everyone's filtering out the public corporate networks of various governmental organizations, RIAA, MPAA, etc. Call me crazy, but somehow I figure they'd use a dedicated network segment for the sniffing activities, one that isn't registered in any public database, or is registered under some bs name. Another simple alternative would be to use various hosting providers (you know, one of those 10,000 get-your-own-server-for-5-bucks-a-month companies) and just recycle them every month or two. This would allow you to get IPs from _anywhere_ in the world.
It's just so trivial, if you have any resources at all, to acquire completely random IPs, that only one or two network admins would need to even know about, that I would quite stunned if the police and other organizations didn't use such methods for their warez/kiddie porn/whatever tracking activities.
If nothing else, isn't it obvious that the authorities read these guides and would thus take the very simple measures required to render them invalid? They are people too, who know how to use the inntarnet, download warez in their private life, have children who download warez, work at companies that have network admins who know this stuff inside out, etc.
Besides simply living somewhere where downloading copyrighted material isn't illegal/punishable, or simply not downloading at all, I'd say your best bet to staying off the authority radar is to stick to older and less popular material.
No one said these methods were 100% and there not. There simply methods to help decrease your risk.
The biggest problem with PeerGaurdian and Protowall is they block IP addresses, rather then the host itself.
As for them having private access to the net not listed in any database, this is the MPAA here not a top secret government organization.
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Y2kBug
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25. August 2007 @ 02:17 |
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I just got back online after many years of not being here and with in 3 weeks i got a anail mail "ticket"from Charter saying i downloaded a file which i did but it wasn't the one i was looking for has the same name as this copywritten movie.besides the fact i hated all of these horror movies and when i found out it wasnt what i was seeking i deleted it.so fine all the cyber movie cops should be happy i deleted the file.but now after installing and running PG2 i am still worried about d/ling as they say they will kill my account and the movie ppl will toss me in jail.I now use a different P2P to try to D/load TV Shows (Limewire) which brings me to another point of confussion.I pay for my cable TV which Airs these shows on it and i can watch them but if i am at work and miss half of it it makes it hard to follow them so i can in the old days tape it on vcr and watch the whole thing when i get home.so... is it still wrong(in cybercops and ISP eyes) to dload these tv shows? didnt i allready pay some hollywood exec by my payment for my cable TV?
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25. August 2007 @ 05:51 |
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Originally posted by Y2kBug: I just got back online after many years of not being here and with in 3 weeks i got a anail mail "ticket"from Charter saying i downloaded a file which i did but it wasn't the one i was looking for has the same name as this copywritten movie.besides the fact i hated all of these horror movies and when i found out it wasnt what i was seeking i deleted it.so fine all the cyber movie cops should be happy i deleted the file.but now after installing and running PG2 i am still worried about d/ling as they say they will kill my account and the movie ppl will toss me in jail.I now use a different P2P to try to D/load TV Shows (Limewire) which brings me to another point of confussion.I pay for my cable TV which Airs these shows on it and i can watch them but if i am at work and miss half of it it makes it hard to follow them so i can in the old days tape it on vcr and watch the whole thing when i get home.so... is it still wrong(in cybercops and ISP eyes) to dload these tv shows? didnt i allready pay some hollywood exec by my payment for my cable TV?
if i was you i wouldnt download anything for a long time.and try using torrent sites instead of limewire/frostwire.also even if you pay your cable bill those tv shows are copyrighted and are illegal to download.they have your number already so be cool for a while
I AM A DUMPSTER DIVER AND PROUD OF IT..
Reach Down & Grab it Or Walk in & Get Some !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!}
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Y2kBug
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26. August 2007 @ 01:26 |
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thanx neptune but just to fill the puzzle in a little more.... all i was using was utorrent since i came back onversion 1.7.0.2(or what ever the most current version is and the tracker that i was on that the violation happened was piratebay.blabla.announce.one reason i mentioned limewire tho i hate it was during the same time my son in law on his lap top was using limewire to grab a whole bunch of movies plus complete sereies of scrubs dora and the OC and nothing was mentioned in the "ticket" so i guess i asked maybe to see if they only seen me cause torrrents are theway to go yet LW users dont get looked at that much or what?anyways i have stopped to the most extent just look for old stuff now nothing new and no movies so looks like my winter will be boring. thanx alot tho i am glad i found this site and hope to be here till they cut me off or i die with my cable modem in my hands. Bug
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26. August 2007 @ 04:53 |
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Originally posted by Y2kBug: thanx neptune but just to fill the puzzle in a little more.... all i was using was utorrent since i came back onversion 1.7.0.2(or what ever the most current version is and the tracker that i was on that the violation happened was piratebay.blabla.announce.one reason i mentioned limewire tho i hate it was during the same time my son in law on his lap top was using limewire to grab a whole bunch of movies plus complete sereies of scrubs dora and the OC and nothing was mentioned in the "ticket" so i guess i asked maybe to see if they only seen me cause torrrents are theway to go yet LW users dont get looked at that much or what?anyways i have stopped to the most extent just look for old stuff now nothing new and no movies so looks like my winter will be boring. thanx alot tho i am glad i found this site and hope to be here till they cut me off or i die with my cable modem in my hands. Bug
piratebay is a public tracker try getting into some private trackers... you have less of a chance of getting busted on private trackers
I AM A DUMPSTER DIVER AND PROUD OF IT..
Reach Down & Grab it Or Walk in & Get Some !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!}
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Y2kBug
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29. August 2007 @ 22:14 |
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well i have stopped downloading totally since the first letter,installed PG2 and done very little on limewire and today got another letter prolly from the same d/l session as the first letter different file and date and differnt tracker so i guess i am not ever going to be allowed to torrent again.thanks for your help and for sure use me to tell others that public trackers are bad. very bad...p.s. any1 know of a downloaders anonomus support group chapter
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30. August 2007 @ 12:42 |
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Originally posted by Y2kBug: well i have stopped downloading totally since the first letter,installed PG2 and done very little on limewire and today got another letter prolly from the same d/l session as the first letter different file and date and differnt tracker so i guess i am not ever going to be allowed to torrent again.thanks for your help and for sure use me to tell others that public trackers are bad. very bad...p.s. any1 know of a downloaders anonomus support group chapter
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Hey, maybe you just started on the wrong foot. What kind of torrents did you dl from public trackers?
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Y2kBug
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31. August 2007 @ 04:03 |
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Mainly tvshows(older ones) and music and a few movies.It seems the movies are the ones they are spanking me for.
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31. August 2007 @ 20:04 |
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Originally posted by Y2kBug: Mainly tvshows(older ones) and music and a few movies.It seems the movies are the ones they are spanking me for.
Isn't "the movies" is some sort of software in PC? Anyway, if you are downloading the typical tv shows and music, then you chance being caught is pretty normal. Its not too risky coz I always do that. Hmm, I really don't know how you got caught but I guess luck is also part of it. Just download stuff in a private tracker
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xhardc0re
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5. September 2007 @ 08:08 |
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Originally posted by Y2kBug: Mainly tvshows(older ones) and music and a few movies.It seems the movies are the ones they are spanking me for.
i'd start using private trackers in that case. Or better yet, stop dL movies & music from public trackers. If only we all dL older shows, maybe they'd go back to making DECENT stuff. Everything these days is glorified sodomy & other crap. Disgusts me.
I noticed in a few BT progs it lets you set protocol encryption to forced. Everyone should be using PE. If your dL speeds drop by switching to that, consider the chances of being caught are not worth a few extra MB of data. Just set it to forced encryption, and spread the word.
ISPs trying to force out BT users
this quote is so true. Read and LEARN:
Quote: The truly successful P2P app will allow multiplexed up/downloads over SSL port 443. This will be encrypted and will appear like most other https applications. It will also traverse most any firewall and be stupidly simple for the user to operate. The down side is that it would require a centralized server to make it work so, it isn?t desireable...
someone needs to write a BT client that randomly changes ports between 80 & 443 (and a few others), and lets you randomly throttle the traffic every few minutes. That will force ISPs to PROVE that your traffic on their network is actually not normal web browsing. Ports 80 & 443 are both unsecure/secure web browser ports. The future looks bright for the BT programmer that does this.
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xhardc0re
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7. September 2007 @ 04:38 |
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Originally posted by Y2kBug: I just got back online after many years of not being here and with in 3 weeks i got a anail mail "ticket" from Charter
well i'm a bit more resistant to the B.S. of the movie industry, and i'd do this if you:
-take a laptop computer to a WiFi spot & dL there
-have friends dL the movies you want, and pay them like $1-$2 per movie
-share all your movies with your (very trusted & non-NARC friends)
-set up a program like DC++ that allows you to chat/xchange files with trusted friends DC++ FAQ
-or better yet, stop dL movies at all. Buy the few (oh soooo verrry feeeeww this year, LOL like they've been goind downhill for years) that are worth buying. The rest, well let them mark them down to $5 @Wally World bargain bin.
-Give a big middle finger to the MPAA/RIAA secret Internutt police
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tencows
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16. September 2007 @ 01:04 |
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Originally posted by xhardc0re:
Quote: The truly successful P2P app will allow multiplexed up/downloads over SSL port 443. This will be encrypted and will appear like most other https applications. It will also traverse most any firewall and be stupidly simple for the user to operate. The down side is that it would require a centralized server to make it work so, it isn?t desireable...
someone needs to write a BT client that randomly changes ports between 80 & 443 (and a few others), and lets you randomly throttle the traffic every few minutes. That will force ISPs to PROVE that your traffic on their network is actually not normal web browsing. Ports 80 & 443 are both unsecure/secure web browser ports. The future looks bright for the BT programmer that does this.
The only flaw with this is the assumption that it's your ISP that is reporting you to those authorities that send off those scary letters. I assure you, as a network admin of an ISP, that the ISP _does_ _not_ _care_ about your activites. The authorities track your IP, and the ISP is only involved insofar as telling the authorities which name and address matches which IP.
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tencows
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16. September 2007 @ 01:24 |
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Originally posted by Xplorer4: No one said these methods were 100% and there not. There simply methods to help decrease your risk.
Decrease your risk by practically zero. I'm just arguing PG/etc give nothing but a false sense of security. You can lower your risk infinitely more by other methods, like sharing downloads with friends (ie so that everyone downloads less, but shares with each other), downloading less popular material, or, depending on your country/ISP/their logs/your equipment, switching your IP frequently, if possible (you can force it by letting the lease timeout or switching your MAC address, which is possible with many network cards on linux, for example).
Originally posted by Xplorer4: The biggest problem with PeerGaurdian and Protowall is they block IP addresses, rather then the host itself.
This still assumes we can positively identify the undesired host. We cannot, at all.
Originally posted by Xplorer4: As for them having private access to the net not listed in any database, this is the MPAA here not a top secret government organization.
Point 1: There is nothing _illegal_ about _not_ entering valid whois data.
Point 2: There is no legal requirement of any organization (even public ones, non-profits, etc) to somewhere reveal their IPs, just as they dont have to reveal the color of their bathroom doors.
Point 3: It is very, very common to have a companies IPs listed generically under the IPs of the ISP. For example, www.fastmail.fm = 66.111.4.56, and who is this registered to? OrgName: The New York Internet Company. So how do you block fastmail.fm in this case? You can even go ahead and block _all_ of the IPs that the entire NY Internet Company owns, but you still don't know whether fastmail may have another internet connection from, say, the Connecticut Leather Company Internet Division. No central database, public or private, exists anywhere in the world, that lists all the IPs any given company/entity owns/uses.
Point 4: The MPAA/etc do _not_ do their own dirty work (IP gathering). They outsource it to other companies specialized in this stuff. These companies can do whatever they want, and frequenty do use very dirty tactics.
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Moklomi
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25. September 2007 @ 14:38 |
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I came across this guide and thank you (No, I'am not Necroing it for trolling purposes) But I was wondering what about I2P and Tor and networkds like those to furhter protect my privacy? ( Yes I know Tor is not to be used for HIGH traffic downloads and I'am not using it for my p2p protection!)
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tripplite
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varnull
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3. January 2009 @ 05:48 |
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Bog standard tripp .. they are just using the same weekly updated lists as all the others.
As stated many many times before... these blocklist things will not protect you because the methods to scan the swarms for ip's doesn't involve connecting to you any more, but in harvesting a list of ip's in the swarm from the tracker.
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danie716
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28. February 2009 @ 13:23 |
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HELLO... I AM NEW TO THE WHOLE TORRENT GAME, AND I JUST WANTED TO KNOW HOW DO I CLEAR MYSELF... IM CURRENTLY USING BITLORD...
THANK YOU
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vballstud
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28. February 2009 @ 22:32 |
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I sense a n00b getting a lashing...
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ddp
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1. March 2009 @ 21:51 |
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danie716, knockoff the caps lock as is a forum rule no no & is referred to as shouting.
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fishbulb
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10. June 2009 @ 18:54 |
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nice turorial. i've been using p2p programs for a couple of years or so but always on windows xp. now that i have vista 64 bit, i can't seem to find a good ip "blocking" program compatible with vista. the few that i have found end up having bad reviews so i don't want to chance them. and i don't want to use pg2 (even though i used it on xp and worked fine) because of the changes you have to make to get it to work since it isn't "signed." anyone have any suggestions? thank you much.
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uzuzu
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13. October 2009 @ 00:06 |
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hey rav dude i downloaded the azureus 4rm ur link but then how do u get to the tools and stuff its just a compressed folder with files inside. wat do i do????
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