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Sony wants 50 percent market share for Blu-ray products this year
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article published on 7 April, 2008
President of Sony Corporation and CEO of Sony's Global Electronics Business, Ryoji Chubachi, has spoken of the corporation's plan to increase the market share of its Blu-ray Disc products dramatically. In the present, the DVD format accounts for about 80 percent of global demand for movie discs, according to Chubachi.
The Sony boss said that the company will offer Blu-ray devices in a ... [ read the full article ]
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11. April 2008 @ 09:29 |
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I suggest adding an ignore button specifically for varnull's use so he can block any thread that has anything to do with BluRay, Sony, or the BDA. Any news item that has the words BluRay, Sony or the BDA will automatically be invisible on his PC. ;)
This should also be good for nobrainer.
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Originally posted by varnull:
Actually Oner how about this. No more non-information stories about crap supposition from Sony?
We don't give a ---- what sony want or don't want, the simple fact is they are anti competition and anti consumer.
Who is we? Please varnull only speak on behalf of yourself and perhaps the rest of your pessimistic group. Unfortunately, you don't have the right to speak on behalf of everybody here at AfterDawn. There are many others here that do want to read news articles related to Sony, Blu-ray and the PS3 etc.
Originally posted by varnull:
As part of the BIG 4 music and media cartel I boycott everything Sony. That's my choice, and I think people are stupid who buy anything made by sony.. If they want to support a non-free world carry on.. Not for me to stop them being stupid and buying overpriced shoddy goods Globalcorp )engsoc) here we come.
So are you calling us stupid? Please continue to do so... So you can break the rules and get suspended!
I am in no way trying to start a social status war here but I can almost guarantee you that most Blu-ray consumers at this point in time are high end customers. These are the type of people that are successful in their career and have enough disposable income to purchase high end A/V equipment. In my opinion that nowhere near equals "stupid" status.
Originally posted by varnull:
Think in future I will restrict my comments about all these BS non news items to just that.. BS supposition and propaganda.. it's not news!
Yes please! Can you take the rest of your group with you? Hopefully then, the people that actually own a Blu-ray device can have the positive & peaceful discussions that we have every right to have. I seriously don't get this whole fiasco. If you don't want to buy something, that's fine! Of course you have every right to make that decision. Why the constant attacking towards those that do want to enjoy the benefits of that product? Don't we also retain our own consumer rights and therefore have the freedom to make up our own minds?
Originally posted by varnull:
Whereas a sub $300 laptop comes out... Revolutionary new operating system.. not a murmer.. I'm starting to think certain people are in the employ of Sony on this site, constantly pushing this non news agenda of everything this EVIL corporation spouts.
/rant off.
Thank you, I just did.
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They Have Spoketh, Varnull
On behalf of Varnull, is this not a news thread Are people not intitled to there view or opinion.
If you dont like the person's view of things then why respond just ignore it, it takes two to argue.
Unless your wierd and argue with yourself.
My final post on this thread
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11. April 2008 @ 11:54 |
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Originally posted by DXR88:
On behalf of Varnull, is this not a news thread Are people not intitled to there view or opinion.
If you dont like the person's view of things then why respond just ignore it, it takes two to argue
Actually varnull is advocating a ban on all news items remotely related to Sony or BluRay.
So you can also say: "If you don't like the news article then why respond, just ignore it..."
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11. April 2008 @ 11:58 |
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Man, where's the news article about Mitsu's new DLP LaserVue HDTV's? That's something to talk about...
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Originally posted by goodswipe:
Man, where's the news article about Mitsu's new DLP LaserVue HDTV's? That's something to talk about...
oh ya laser tv is what i'm w8ng for before i purchase a new screen, lcd and plasma suck in comparison. cheaper to manufacture, better picture, less energy to run and they don't suffer with digital smear or blocking.
what will be the finest moment is laser projectors as teh bulbs last the lifetime of the unit not limited to a few thousand hours. one of these will occupy my lounge for the long winter nights, lets hope hollywood dies a death sometime soon so real talent can produce films instead of the current trend of films aimed at 13 year old boys full of bad acting, poor scripts and just good special effects to tempt us to part with our cash. *NOTE* to hollywood; better effects do NOT make a good movie! Dr Strangelove FTW!
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Originally posted by juankerr:
Originally posted by DXR88:
On behalf of Varnull, is this not a news thread Are people not intitled to there view or opinion.
If you dont like the person's view of things then why respond just ignore it, it takes two to argue
Actually varnull is advocating a ban on all news items remotely related to Sony or BluRay.
So you can also say: "If you don't like the news article then why respond, just ignore it..."
I like the bold part myself.
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Originally posted by nobrainer:
Originally posted by goodswipe:
Man, where's the news article about Mitsu's new DLP LaserVue HDTV's? That's something to talk about...
oh ya laser tv is what i'm w8ng for before i purchase a new screen, lcd and plasma suck in comparison. cheaper to manufacture, better picture, less energy to run and they don't suffer with digital smear or blocking.
what will be the finest moment is laser projectors as teh bulbs last the lifetime of the unit not limited to a few thousand hours. one of these will occupy my lounge for the long winter nights, lets hope hollywood dies a death sometime soon so real talent can produce films instead of the current trend of films aimed at 13 year old boys full of bad acting, poor scripts and just good special effects to tempt us to part with our cash. *NOTE* to hollywood; better effects do NOT make a good movie! Dr Strangelove FTW!
Yea, I'm interested to see what they are going to charge for this technology. I'm assuming they will be cheaper then plasma since it cost less to manufacture. They did a side by side comparison between between one model and a Pioneer Kuro and hands down, the Mitsu blew it out of the water.
The sets will range from 60" to 73" and should cost anywhere from 1800 and 4700 USD - hopefully!
Goodswipe's greatest desire - HDTV's with freaken laser beams attached to em!
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wrong wrong wrong.. it is the FACT that every little utterance from sony about anything is covered like it is news.. It isn't..It is a company saying in a fantasy world what they would like to see.
Actually my view on the whole item is this.. sony bought out the providers (anti-competitive behaviour) and exterminated the competition.. very likely in direct contravention of most of the planets free trade and anti trust laws. If they only expect 50% of HD hardware and media sales by the end of the year then that is in itself an expression of how ani competetive they really are.. They really want 100% but think by stating their true aims the larger plan will become obvious to the kinds of people they don't want seeing it.. Now we have won we will dominate.. we got away with it once, so we will carry on until either the lawyers get involved or the general consumer base rumble it..
It isn't good for technology and it isn't good for consumers.
So sony employed bloggers.. who cares about consumers, freedom and the future eh? certainly not you.
I was reading back about how 90% of people in the street don't know about DRM and don't care.. Well then.. Isn't it up to us who DO know and DO care to stand up for the ignorant and bamboozled who don't understand when their expensive hardware investment from last year won't play next years disks? We have a moral obligation to stand up for fair use and the freedom to buy hardware from who we want with the sure knowledge that having a certain logo on it means it will play in some piece of hardware bearing the same logo, not at the whim of people like sony and the MPAA!!
Any less is a betrayal of the trust our friends and neighbours put in us as the "geek who knows about this s--t"
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Originally posted by varnull:
We have a moral obligation to stand up
You need to lighten up. You're taking things too seriously.
They're just discs with movies or songs on them.
Are they needed to survive? No.
If you don't buy these products will you cease to exist? Absolutely not.
Are the companies forcing you to buy them? Heck no.
They're a source of entertainment, things you use to pass your free time. Nothing else.
Save your moralizing for the really important issues - like poverty, hunger, and the lack of adequate medical care...things that can really screw up someone's life. Not the shiny little discs with movies and songs on them.
Just because someone can't buy the latest BluRay gadgets and HDTV's doesn't mean he's being oppressed. It just means he'll have to watch the movie in 480i.
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@ juankerr
globalisation and capitalism is the rot of this world. it allows the top 2% of the population to own 95% of the wealth of this world.
DRM embedded into blu-ray is anti consumer and because of stupid laws like the dmca gives the MPAA a licence to print money and region coding is their way of global price fixing. its anti consumer and should be fought at ever step to stop Orwellian, draconian laws from being passed.
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They're a source of entertainment, things you use to pass your free time. Nothing else
An EXPENSIVE form of entertainment which people who know less will ask you for your advice on before buying.
Now you may have no personal integrity towards friends, relations and even somebody you see being mis-sold a product in a shop, but sorry for having a conscience.. I have.
As a member of the FSF I have taken a stance against closed and proprietary formats, this includes all forms of DRM and commercial lockin tactics. This isn't for my benefit (though there is a little kudos attached) it is for the future. As nobrainer correctly reminds people, monopolies are bad, and monopolies who control 100% of something globally are worse.
I'm sure Sony themselves would have ben happy to keep improving their technology in the face of competition by adding features and extras which the competition couldn't compete with. As it is now all that is left is for them to keep selling exactly the same product unchanged till the end of it's life whilst attempting to prolong that life by stifling any new technology that threatens that cushy comfortable secure monopoly.
Surprise here.. It isn't the anti globalisation anti monopolies and anti drm campaigners who are making a big issue over this.. it is the fanboys who can see no wrong in denying access to bought content, and a fair choice in the market place for everybody. An elitist attitude that you will do well to look back on as it all falls apart over the next 10 years.
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Originally posted by varnull:
An EXPENSIVE form of entertainment which people who know less will ask you for your advice on before buying.
Now you may have no personal integrity towards friends, relations and even somebody you see being mis-sold a product in a shop, but sorry for having a conscience.. I have.
I tell them bluntly - If you can't afford it then don't buy it. Don't go into debt just because you want the same toys as your neighbor. If you need a high def player to cost $99 or less and movies to cost $15 or less then you're not ready to get into this hobby. And yes it's just a hobby. It's a non-essential activity and the gadgets and machines are luxury items.
...and someone like you would be the last person I'd ask for advice on high-def media and technology.
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The only problem with that is that BluRay is not a monopoly. In fact, Panasonic owns most of the BluRay patent pool.
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I'm sure Sony themselves would have ben happy to keep improving their technology in the face of competition by adding features and extras which the competition couldn't compete with
With the addition of BD-Live 2.0 to their upcoming players and to the PS3, Sony has already equalled what the competition (HD DVD) had to offer.
The competition now will be among:
>the player manufacturers - who can put in the most features for the best price.
>the movie studios - who can bring out the best releases.
Consider also: before HD media arrived regular DVD had a virtual monopoly on movie distribution after VHS was pushed out of the way. What did we see with DVD? Price drops on players as manufacturers competeted against each other PLUS price drops on discs as movies studios competed against each other.
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Originally posted by juankerr:
With the addition of BD-Live 2.0 to their upcoming players and to the PS3, Sony has already equalled what the competition (HD DVD) had to offer.
Don't forget - with onboard DTS-HD MA decoding in the Denon DVD-3800BD, and coming in the PS3 (with the 2.3 update), the Panasonic DMP-BD50 and the Sony BD-S550 - BluRay has surpassed the competition.
No HD DVD player ever came out with onboard DTS-HD Master Audio decoding.
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for the love of god what Competition.
HD-DVD is dead anyone with half a brain could tell you that.
there is no hi-def format for blu-ray to compete with, that means they already have 100% market, in there own Catagory of hi-def.
you act like blu-ray just supported DTS-HD MA from the very begining,
funny how it just came otta know where just recently.
if HD-DVD was still in active development, im sure they would have had something similiar to DTS-HD MA.
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Originally posted by DXR88:
for the love of god what Competition.
HD-DVD is dead anyone with half a brain could tell you that.
there is no hi-def format for blu-ray to compete with, that means they already have 100% market, in there own Catagory of hi-def.
you act like blu-ray just supported DTS-HD MA from the very begining,
funny how it just came otta know where just recently.
if HD-DVD was still in active development, im sure they would have had something similiar to DTS-HD MA.
eatsushi was responding to varnull's statement that without competition there will be no improvement in the product.
Next time read the previous posts for a change then you'll know what people are talking about.
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Originally posted by error5:
Originally posted by DXR88:
for the love of god what Competition.
HD-DVD is dead anyone with half a brain could tell you that.
there is no hi-def format for blu-ray to compete with, that means they already have 100% market, in there own Catagory of hi-def.
you act like blu-ray just supported DTS-HD MA from the very begining,
funny how it just came otta know where just recently.
if HD-DVD was still in active development, im sure they would have had something similiar to DTS-HD MA.
eatsushi was responding to varnull's statement that without competition there will be no improvement in the product.
Next time read the previous posts for a change then you'll know what people are talking about.
Exactly. varnull asserted that without competition Bluray wasn't going to improve their product with new features. eatsushi pointed out that that this wasn't true given the fact that they're adding new features and extras not just to the PS3 but also to the standalones (such as DivX/DivX HD certification and playback ability in the Denons and the new Panasonic).
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Originally posted by DXR88:
They Have Spoketh, Varnull
On behalf of Varnull, is this not a news thread Are people not intitled to there view or opinion.
If you dont like the person's view of things then why respond just ignore it, it takes two to argue.
Unless your wierd and argue with yourself.
My final post on this thread
What happened? I thought it was your final post.
If you did actually read my post as error5 correctly indicated that you are having trouble doing, you will see that I was asking varnull to not speak on behalf of everybody.
What I find completely amazing is any solid point that we relay gets completely ignored and instead you guys continue on with your endless anti Blu-ray rant. We rip anything you say to bits and as a retort you guys look for the tiniest little holes in what we say.
You want to know the truth, if you actually previously owned a HD-DVD player I would at least respect where you are coming from. This is why I respect goodswipe. A while back he was quite passionate about HD-DVD technology but at least he is mature enough to participate in conversations regarding Blu-ray without acting like a jealous little Child.
A true A/V enthusiast doesn't really care who manufactures the product as long is it is a high quality product that brings cutting edge entertainment into their homes.
I've already expressed my feelings to the Moderators of having a zero tolerance policy towards any posts that are of a negative or flaming nature. I sincerely hope this gets implemented in full force.
Originally posted by DXR88:
for the love of god what Competition.
HD-DVD is dead anyone with half a brain could tell you that.
there is no hi-def format for blu-ray to compete with, that means they already have 100% market, in there own Catagory of hi-def.
As I posted to you on page 3: http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump.cfm/648686/3942302
What was the alternative to DVD?
If anything, Blu-ray is faced with more competition today than DVD did in its inception. There are many other means of obtaining HD material like free to air DTV, digital Cable/Satellite TV and digital downloads etc. What did DVD have to compete with back when it was first introduced to the market? VHS, analog cable/free to air TV perhaps? I don't think this can be classified as viable competition.
Originally posted by DXR88:
you act like blu-ray just supported DTS-HD MA from the very begining,
funny how it just came otta know where just recently.
The way eatsushi spoke sounded nothing like it was supported from the very beginning. Actually, it was completely the other way around! His point was that varnull said that without competition that the Blu-ray format will not be improved any further, so eatsushi's point was that DTS-HD MA on board decoding is an "optional" feature that is currently being added to some Blu-ray players.
PS: varnull is female! I have noticed a few people calling varnull "him". If you look at varnull's profile you will notice female as the gender stated. Please excuse my off topic, personal details post.
Originally posted by DXR88:
if HD-DVD was still in active development, im sure they would have had something similiar to DTS-HD MA.
You make that sound like it's easy to develop a state of the art lossless codec, capable of replicating audio bit for bit identical to the studio original. Maybe HD-DVD would have had something like MP3-HD? LOL! Sorry, couldn't resist that one. DXR88, I honestly think that you are in over your head. You are talking amongst people that are very knowledgeable about the aforementioned A/V technologies. Please, if you are going to make points, at least give us a point of view that is worth talking about.
The truth of the matter is that if HD-DVD was still around they wouldn't be offering something "similar". They would be offering the same High Definition audio formats, which are Dolby TrueHD and/or DTS-HD (Master Audio/High Resolution Audio). Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD are the only two formats (apart from PCM 5.1) that are capable of delivering mind blowing HD audio. Dolby TrueHD is already supported on some players (including the PS3). DTS-HD MA is also already supported by the Denon DVD-3800BD. The PS3 (and other stand alones) will very soon have support for DTS-HD also.
Honestly, I don't mind opposing views. I actually welcome them. As long as they are educated, well researched and coming from an A/V enthusiast point of view. What this means is that there are no "fan boy" emotions or "hateful" annotations attached to their comments.
Look at error5's sig... You will see the type of person that I am referring to. He has both a HD-DVD and Blu-ray player, high end A/V equipment and more than enough titles (in both formats) to show that he is a "true" A/V enthusiast.
If something comes along that did truly rival Blu-ray as a format, I would welcome it with open arms.
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PS: varnull is female! I have noticed a few people calling varnull "him". If you look at varnull's profile you will notice female as the gender stated. Please excuse my off topic, personal details post.
one would Hope so, and if i did call you a him varnull. just keep in mind my brain is like a 5-inch floppy diskette only 720KB.
Alright you win im done,
But before i let you off, do you know if there is any posability
That i can put my panisonic dmp-bd30k to use. its profile is 1.1
Shout or pm me i dont care.
Now truly my last post, me thinks.
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Originally posted by DXR88:
Alright you win im done,
But before i let you off, do you know if there is any posability
That i can put my panisonic dmp-bd30k to use. its profile is 1.1
Shout or pm me i dont care.
Now truly my last post, me thinks.
So you do own a Blu-ray player?? Now that is confusing! When you say put it to use, what do you mean?
Well, instead of looking at it everynight thinking about how much you dislike it, why don't you try popping one of those shiny little BD discs into it.
Being profile 1.1 wont stop it from playing BD 2.0 titles, it just means that you wont have access to BD-Live.
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I did say me thinks,
Sigh, yeah i tried That i go to Play Movie and it just locks it self up.
Anything 2008ish it does it with sorry im not more specific,
not a help thread so shout when your done ranting.
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Originally posted by DXR88:
I did say me thinks,
Sigh, yeah i tried That i go to Play Movie and it just locks it self up.
Anything 2008ish it does it with sorry im not more specific,
not a help thread so shout when your done ranting.
Drop the attitude! Ok, my response to you was more than fair. Of course I am confused about your your position here. You do nothing but knock Sony and Blu-ray and now you want help.
Now you claim that I should PM you because it's not a help thread. Well, what sort of thread is it? I think we've already long ago diverted away from the original topic, with no effort from yourself up until now to bring it back to topic.
The fact that I even offered some level of help is more than I should of even done. I'm starting to ask myself if you do actually own that player or if you're just trying to prove some kind of anti Blu-ray point? I find it impossisible to believe that every movie you attempt to play locks up! Did you try a firmware upgrade? So yes, now please do go away.
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Now you claim that I should PM you because it's not a help thread. Well, what sort of thread is it? I think we've already long ago diverted away from the original topic, with no effort from yourself up until now to bring it back to topic.
The fact that I even offered some level of help is more than I should of even done. I'm starting to ask myself if you do actually own that player or if you're just trying to prove some kind of anti Blu-ray point?
Sounds suspicious doesn't it, Ryu77?
I myself find it extremely difficult to believe that someone who posted this last week now actually owns a BluRay player, let alone the $500 Panny BD30:
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Mwhahahahahaha. Im aware That its a disk format,Doesnt Mean i give A Rats 4$$ about it. Now do the Same survey and ask People do they Care.
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Lol yeah for one that goes thru the thread too pick out things that support His/Her idea of this guy bluffing.
tell you what Error5 butt out sorry, but i wasn't talking to you
yeah yeah its a pulic thread thats why i wanted to pm ryu, but instead id thought save a little time for myself by posting it here.
But i can see that was a mistake...
anyway Ryu sorry to bother you about this. i beleave it maybe hardware related anyway, been googletering it like crazer and nothing tells me its an isolated issue.
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but all i do is nock sony, huh. yeah let me tell you im 1000.00% anti-sony yep thats right let me tell you
ive owned every playstation console, even the ps3 till it started munching my discs.
iv got a sony trinton monitor that im typing this message through,
hell i even have a sony dvd/vcr combo, even had an old sony vio desktop.
but im 1000.00% anti-sony and yes i have an attitude now
you know what i dont want your help you can keep it. im thinking about buying the gun medal PS3 anyway
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