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write 2x dvd-r media at 4x
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tonyl1979
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9. July 2003 @ 15:52 |
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With patches & firms and such, 1x dvd-r drives can write at 2x. Is there a way to write 2x dvd-r media at 4x?
If yes, is there a specific brand that will allow to do this?
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9. July 2003 @ 16:02 |
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Um....You will have to tell us your DVD Drive you are using. I cant read your mind. Eh...Hold on....wait a sec....Nope, definitely cant read your mind. Sorry :-(
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tonyl1979
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9. July 2003 @ 16:05 |
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Oh sorry. Currently, I do own Sony 510A and TDK 440N. If you were asking me the types of dvd drives I own, does it mean that there are drives / or / 2x medias out there that can perform at 4x?
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10. July 2003 @ 09:47 |
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Hello
From what I am aware of you can use firmware patches, but you will need to use the correct discs. What I mean is writing at 4X, you should use 4x certified discs. Otherwise you can get write errors as the disc is not meant for that speed. It's mainly a dye issue. Some drives will recommed using 4x for 2x drive or 2x discs for 1x drives. As they write faster, as my Toshiba SDR6012 actually writes at 1.5x and needs 2x disks even though it is only reported as 1x drive.
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tonyl1979
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10. July 2003 @ 12:52 |
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Yes.... I do know you have to use 4x media to write at 4x........... I'm saying, for example, 12x certified cd-r media can burn at 24x easily. And I was wondering if there are medias (2x certified) that can burn at 4x without any problem (combination of firmware/specific drive+media, etc.) because 2x dvd-r medias are cheaper than 4x.
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11. July 2003 @ 08:58 |
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I have never actually tried that. But as DVD are still really new (Dye technology atleast) you may have to buy more expensive 2x that may be the same price as cheaper 4x DVD`s. I would tryp Verbatim first as they seem to have really good dye. Good Luck.
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tonyl1979
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11. July 2003 @ 12:43 |
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Verbatim, Maxell, Sony, etc..
They are all nothing but branded, manufactured by major dominated companies such as Ritek, CMC, etc. (Samething for CD-R media). They are no different from OEM no branded, manufactured by the same company, except branded ones are just more expensive cause they have a brand on top. I don't look at the branded brands, I look at the manufactur. Usually B braded ones are manufactured in United States, which it's sole purpose is to ship out to South America (and this gets shipped back 'due to the laundry' to North America and gets sold for cheaper price). All major manufactures are in Taiwan and I do know one of the major Ritek stockholder. I was just asking if anyone found a way (could be combination of the DVD-R Drive+Firmware+Software+Media (Manufacture)to accomplish this. I have seen so many people moan about how their drive is not compatible with whole list of brand. For example, people might say "oh sony drive sucks, so many problems, just get pioneer" or oh just get "creative, it's better than Sony" when they don't know that Creative uses Sony and LG drives because they do not manufacture themselves. This goes same to DVD-R Media. Maxell, Verbatim, etc. They do not manufactur any of the media. Bah, I just wanted to say something many people here don't seem to understand the most essential stuff..
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11. July 2003 @ 14:06 |
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Sorry for making you blow up. Good rant though, I like reading it. I am aware that many companies are the same company. I am not too familar with which and who owns who. An example is 3M, you would be amazed at how many millions of companies they own and names they have. I recommended Verbatim to you, as have heard very few problems associated. this may be owned by even Princo (I don`t know), but as so many few problems associated it may be the high end and may work for you. With some companies the good stuff is under their name and the crap stuff is under an other name. To use 3M again if you want the best tape it must say Tarton (spelling not exact), thats the street that the Canadian head quarters is on, not where made. All tape made in same building on Oxford street. I worked for 3M, so I am strong supporter.
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12. July 2003 @ 02:18 |
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Um...most of us members/senior members and addicts would be well aware of that here. If you know all that you mentioned there, you should be aware that DVD's are a lot more Susceptible to writing speeds than CD's, basically because the pits are nearly 4.5 times smaller than that of CD-R. Since the dyes used are organic, it is not wise to try to write faster than is stated on the disc or you will end up with disc blemishes.
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tonyl1979
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12. July 2003 @ 14:51 |
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Thanks, I wanted to know some specific facts, like what you stated. That really helped a lot.
Thank you.
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12. July 2003 @ 19:46 |
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No problem, glad you found that a help ;-)
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14. July 2003 @ 05:50 |
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Tonyl1979 said.. Verbatim, Maxell, Sony, etc..
They are all nothing but branded, manufactured by major dominated companies such as Ritek, CMC, etc. (Samething for CD-R media).
Sorry but this is not true for DVD media manufacturers the companies you mention (Sony, Verbatim, Maxell) make for themselves... Sony wouldn't let anyone else make their media - think of the problems for their brand name if some media was dodgy they just couldn't afford to have the brand name sullied!!! Having said that some DVD manufacturers do have their discs made by outside manufacturers - names like Philips, Ricoh, TDK, Pioneer are not made in house... I think Tonyl1979, you were just particulary unlucky with the names you chose to say didn't make for themselves!
A good example is as follows -
Ricoh don't make their own discs (they have them made for them by Ritek) any Ricoh discs which are not printed correctly are then overprinted with another brand (Arita)... so Ricoh only make +R and +RW discs - Arita is the same disc as the Ricoh but reprinted.
I am selling loads of the Arita discs at the moment and getting back to the main point of this thread I sell a hell of alot of Arita 2.4x to people who buy them and are writing these discs at 4x...... how is this possible? what happens is 4x discs are manufactured but if they are not quite 100% quality they are downgraded to 2.4x... thats not to say if everything is correct with your system you can't write it at 4x just that the average bod can only expect to achieve 2.4x or above.
Hope this helps!_
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14. July 2003 @ 06:21 |
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That is interesting. However, this would be probably not be a standard issue with most 1 and 2x discs, would it? FOr example, a 2x Ritek is not likely to be a less than 100% cause and so writing at 4x wouldnt be advised. Is this right Simon? I am really not sure
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MrYang
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14. July 2003 @ 06:30 |
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It's a very interesting point but I couldn't believe it either when I started getting customers saying "we love those 2.4x Arita I have been writing them at 4x"... I even checked the batch numbers with Ritek but they were indeed only 2.4x rated discs.
You are 100% correct in saying it's not recommended but since when did any of us do what we are told! Some crazy boys start recording these discs at 4x and get them to work and playback OK then I say leave them to it! Bottom line with Ritek is this "If they are not 100% happy with the quality of the discs for whatever reason they will downgrade the discs to 2.4x)... there is a difference here between the -R and the +R standard. The +R is alot more flexable, -R 2x is 2x and that's it, thats why you shouldn't use a 4x disc -R in a 2x -R burner but you can get away with in with the +R.
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14. July 2003 @ 12:52 |
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Sorry but this is not true for DVD media manufacturers the companies you mention (Sony, Verbatim, Maxell) make for themselves... Sony wouldn't let anyone else make their media
Actually that isn't true. *Most* Sony media is OEM'd by Lead Data in Taiwan. Indeed, there is significant cross-pollenation and I've seen a lot of LD media with Sony lead-in and vice-versa.
Likewise Verbatim/Mitsubishi have long-standing relationships with CMC and MBI. Much Verbatim Datalife Plus DVD media is made by CMC.
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names like Philips, Ricoh, TDK, Pioneer
Errr... Pioneer *do* make their own media, as do TDK!!! Not 100% in TDK's case but they do manufacture their own media.
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any Ricoh discs which are not printed correctly are then overprinted with another brand (Arita)...
I find this difficult to believe -- the Arita media I've seen has *not* been overprinted. Ritek/Ricoh's position is similar to Lead-Data/Sony's.
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The +R is alot more flexable, -R 2x is 2x and that's it, thats why you shouldn't use a 4x disc -R in a 2x -R burner but you can get away with in with the +R.
That's true, although another way of looking at it is that the +R media has inferior disc checking. There is no reason why a 2x DVD-R disc shouldn't work at 4x. After all, the vast majority of 1x discs burn at 2x with no issues.
It's a firmware issue. The Optorite burner can burn 1x DVD-R media at 4x. I've heard reports of knackered old 1x Bulkpaq media working at 4x on it, and the results being more than acceptable. There's no reason why a good drive with good firmware shouldn't write at higher-than-rated-speed to DVD-R media.
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tonyl1979
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14. July 2003 @ 15:11 |
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I wasn't going to put an another thread about other major brands, being manufactured by other manufacturers, such as Sony but someone already proved it and thank you. I only wanted to know if anyone has experienced or know about certain hardware + software+firm+media, etc. compability to write 2x, 1x at 4x, etc.
I have received a ritek dvd-rw and will test it today.
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14. July 2003 @ 15:44 |
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Funny how quickly we can get off topic.
By the sounds of it, this may be possible with DVD+R but not so much with DVD-R, if I read all the posts correctly.
If I were you I wouldn`t bother, the difference in time between 2x and 4x burn is not that much compared to the time we all spent here argueing over Company names. If you can wait 15 to 20 mins extra for a burn, just do it before eating or cooking dinner. Or while doing something else. I am still blown away by DVD 1x in only 60min. My old CD writer was only 4x. It took me 80min to just burn 700Mb!
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tonyl1979
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14. July 2003 @ 16:17 |
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Uh.. if you have time to cook and not burn cds, I wouldn't mind but if you burn over 7 dvds a day, it would matter a bit more than you think. Having the right knowledge about the manufacturers, etc. makes the buyers more aware of what type of media to purchase and what are compatible and not compatible with certain writers.
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MrYang
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15. July 2003 @ 02:57 |
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Jase, lets not argue over who makes for who? Yes what you say is true for CDR media but not DVD and it's DVD we are talking about isn't it? Sorry to be blunt but when was the last time you had a meeting with the european director of Sony consumer media products? Mine was last week. Anyhow lets not argue save to say I know what I'm talkin about when it comes to who makes what for who and where! Rant over!
As for your "The Optorite burner can burn 1x DVD-R media at 4x. I've heard reports of knackered old 1x Bulkpaq media working at 4x" .... knackered old bulkpaq at 4x? Perhaps you could get us some more information on the exact setup used by whoever achieved this magic trick as they could revolutionise the DVD media industry overnight!!!!
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jase
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15. July 2003 @ 08:28 |
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Well, my info on Lead Data comes from (1) an official DVD-R press release from Lead Data themselves; (2) Claims put out by E-Net Distribution when the "One" Lead Data DVD-R media was first released (I acknowledge that if it comes out of Datasafe's mouth it's probably bogus mind you lol); (3) discs I have here -- Sony branded media carrying the Lead Data lead-in, and "Accu" Lead Data media with a Sony lead-in.
No, I haven't spoken to Sony UK but something is obviously amiss here because I think my findings are pretty compelling..... ;)
As for the Optorite ... it's a known fact that it is capable of writing several brands of DVD-R media at 4x when they are not 4x rated. The Bulkpaq media I was referring to was the fake-TDK 2x (which is in reality a 1x Princo disc): these discs are confirmed writing at 4x to the same standard as 2x (ironically properly-stamped Princo discs don't burn at all!!!)
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16. July 2003 @ 00:03 |
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Mr Yang, does Ritek make TDK, or did they used to, sort of remember hearing that.
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16. July 2003 @ 02:36 |
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4am Oriphus I am impressed ... must be still waiting for those last few copies to finish!
TDK do shop around but don't think Ritek make for them at the moment, may well have done in the past.
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16. July 2003 @ 02:55 |
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lol - just have a messed up sleep pattern at the min. I've be geting up around 7am this past while for god knows why.
Your img u want to include in ur signature. Put the url http://www.dvd-and-media.com/yang.jpg in between these [img] (put a / infornt of the next img inside the straight bvrackets[img] like this:
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MrYang
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16. July 2003 @ 03:30 |
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Here we go to see if that works.
Just a little bit of information I found out today from Princo, they told me they have currently got a big problem with people copying their discs in Hong Kong and to beware any serials starting M or before that look to be at a very cheap price.
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16. July 2003 @ 11:01 |
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Yeah, that doesnt sound good. I just got 25 of your Clone Disc through i mate who bought them and swapped them with unbranded ones - lol.
Here Simon, is there enough of a difference between the price in the Princo 4x and the Ritek 4x, considering the performace difference, which i feel is quite a big one. Im also testing the new Datawrite Ritek discs and will send you the test results so that you can compare them to your Clone Disc Riteks. I am expecting yours to be the favourable discs in terms of the performance and no coasters. However, i think the price of the Datawrites is about 15p cheaper.
What are your thoughts on the quality of the Datawrite Ritek new discs? I have been assured they are grade A but have read that thy may be grade B. Any ideas?
Chris
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