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DVD Menu problem when playing the copy
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MavLy21
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8. December 2006 @ 13:03 |
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Hi there all.
First post here.
So.......I've backed up a few DVDs already, and haven't seem to have a problem that I couldn't find a solution for until now.
First of all. I started out using DVD Shrink with my Nero. That was cool until I ran into problems where sometimes I had to have AnyDVD running in the background (Problem solved). Then I ran into problems backing up another DVD....can't remember which one, but I found the guide here to use DVDFab, VobBlanker, then DVDshrink.
Now......I just got M:I III. Burned it easily with DVDShrink + Nero. But when I play the backup DVD.....it stops playing everytime I try to access the menu. I even burned it a second time using the DVDFab-->VOBblanker-->DVDshrink method, and still the same problem.
I am playing the backup DVD on my computer with PowerDVD. The original DVD plays fine. I go to chapters in the movie, and it plays fine. It just stops playing when going to the DVD menu. I tried this out on my DVD player in the living room, and when it stops playing at the menu.....it tells me Incompatible disc.
Can anyone help? Do I need to do a different method of backing up my DVD? Or is there something I can tweak with my current method.
I searched and couldn't find someone having the same problem. If there is a thread already......could someone post a link to it for me. Sorry if there is one already.
And also.......what is the best way to backup/copy DVD? Is it just a matter of preference? Or is there really one best way?
Thank you in advance for any help I get.
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MavLy21
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9. December 2006 @ 12:23 |
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*bump*
No solution? Or is it that the pros haven't signed on yet? :)
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9. December 2006 @ 14:03 |
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What type of disk are you backing up to? There are certain settings that should be set on different programs. Let me see if I can walk you through it. First off you should be using good quality DVDs. I use TY's but they can be hard to find. Try to only use DVDs that are made in Japan. The second thing that you need to know is what to set your maximum output to. I would suggest 4400 unless you are using good quality disks. I have mine set to 4460. The reason for this is because if you burn all the way to the end of the DVD you may have problems.
Since you have AnyDVD the perfect decrypter for you to use is DVD Decrypter. You can download it by clicking here.
Now it is important to have your setting set up correct in this program. Click Tools -> Settings... and make sure that the following tabs look as the pictures bellow.
The next thing that you want to do is create a folder for your movie and a folder within that folder called VIDEO_TS.
Now you should be able to get a good decrypt from the original DVD. Normally after I decrypt a DVD I run VobBlanker before I run DVD Shrink. That is up to you how you want to proceed. Make sure that if you use DVD Shrink to change the settings on it. The picture bellow is old, but you can see where to make the changes.
Another key thing to remember with DVD Shrink is that you can do a thorough analysis of you movie before it shrinks. This picture is also old. I now have mine set to Maximum Smoothness.
To top everything off, I think that the main problem you are having is because of not using good quality DVDs and burning too close to the edge. I hope that this information helps you.
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MavLy21
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10. December 2006 @ 14:29 |
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Hmm...thanks for the help.
So I see that I haven't provided enough info, but here are some answers in response to your reply.
I am using right now.....a Memorex brand DVD+R DL......I can't see any more info than that. There might have been more on the wrapper I threw out. It's the cheapest ones I found at Fry's, but still at about $2 per DVD. I guess this is not a quality media eh? Haha.
Also...when I'm burning something old or a comedy DVD. I just burn it on this Staples brand DVD+R 4.7GB. This is bad media too? I just use this because I already had these from somewhere I can't recollect at the moment.
I will try what you have suggested.
I do have some questions. First, with VobBlanker.....I load up everything as one of the guides I ran across says. Then I click process all, but I don't see any windows pop up like the guide has. Is that bad? Or does it just mean it didn't have to fix those things?
Also at the end with your DVD Shrink suggestions....when you show me the settings to change with the Custom Target DVD size. Is that what I put for single layered disc? What do I put for dual layered?
Also....I'm guessing I don't need to Compress with maximum smoothness if I'm burning onto a dual layered disc, correct? Since I am not shrinking it at all.
So yes....I did try to burn Mission: Impossible III onto a dual layered disc. Does that change the situation? Well, I will try and backup this DVD again with the method you have suggested.
Thanks.
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11. December 2006 @ 08:31 |
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I never burn to dual layer disk. Some people on this forum do, and they would be able to give you a little more information than I can. I tried burning to dual layer once and found that it would not work properly in some DVD players. I'm not 100% sure what software is best for burning to dual layer disk.
I burned MI:3 on a DVD -R at around 72%. As far as using VobBlanker you will need to follow a guide the first time or two. Alkohol wrote a guide to get you familiar with it. Link
After you use VobBlanker a couple of times you will get the hang of it. Good luck.
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MavLy21
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14. December 2006 @ 22:13 |
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Hmmm....so I took the precentage of a single layered DVD to use.....and applied it to a dual layered.....and did a custom setting to not burn on the edges of the DVD.
Still did not work......
Is there any reason that it might work on a single layered? I'll probably try it tomorrow some time.
Also.......I noticed a screen in the menu at the top of the list that says "This player is incompatable with the region marking of this disc." all on a blue-ish background. This is found in the menus sub-folder that I saw when the VIDEO_TS is opened in DVD-Shrink. Could this be the thing that is stopping the DVD when trying to access the menu?
Wait....syxguns....you said that you burnt this particular DVD fine. I know u did it on a single layered.....and you are using good quality media to burn on. BUT.....other than that.....are u doing anything different then me? So I use DVD Decrypter to take the DVD onto my hard drive. Then I run VobBlanker, and load the video_ts files and choose an output folder. Then I click Process all. After that...I open up DVD-Shrink and I burn it onto a dvd-rom.
I don't remove anything. Is there something I have not done that I need to do? Seems so wierd that I had no troubles for other DVDs until this M:I III dvd.
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15. December 2006 @ 07:49 |
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MavLy21-
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I don't remove anything. Is there something I have not done that I need to do? Seems so wierd that I had no troubles for other DVDs until this M:I III dvd.
What do you mean by, "I don't remove anything"? Do you mean that you processed the video through VobBlanker without removing anything?
With VobBlanker I strip and or blank FBI, Ratings, some if not all previews, and other annoying stuff on the DVD. By doing this is saves space for a better quality shrink.
Did you set up DVD Decrypter the way I showed you? AnyDVD with DVD Decrypter will allow your disk to play. What is your region? Are you burning to +R media? What version of Nero do you have?
I do not use Shrink to burn with Nero. Some people like to burn ISO files, and you can set your output to ISO with Shrink. I burn the VIDEO_TS folder.
I burn to -R media, but if you are burning to +R media you should make sure that you have your setting to burn to [-ROM]. Give me a little more information about how you are proceeding to burn step by step. If I have a little more information I can help you get the job done as long as you are burning to DVD-5. Like I told you before, I don't burn to DVD-9. I have the capability and if I can not get the compression down to where I like it, then I probably will sometime!
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15. December 2006 @ 08:46 |
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I found another thread about burning DVD-9 video. You can check it out if you like. Click Here!
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15. December 2006 @ 09:09 |
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@MavLy21
MI3 shouldn't be hard to rip and backup. DVDFab Decrypter should be able to handle that easily. I backed up mine as my usual method: DVDFab to rip, process and Blank out all junks through VobBlanker, transcoded via Nero Recode and burn with Nero Burning Rom. Backup came out perfect and it played flawlessly.
Sounds like buddy "syxguns" has already covered everything so far. Just to add here, for future reference if you're interested to use VobBlanker to "delete/blank" unwanted junks (i.e. FBI Warnings, Rating Logos/screen, Previews/Trailers/Advertise, etc.)
Here's a Basic Blanking & Deleting guide for VobBlanker. I made that basic guide for "blanking & deleting" unwanted junks. Simply go through some of them useless VTS, then Delete or Blank them and you'll gain more quality in result.
Latest VobBlanker here http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=898541#post898541
Latest DVDFab Decrypter 3.0.5.0
Best of luck!!
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15. December 2006 @ 10:15 |
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It sounds like you are having region problems with the disc. At least that is what the one message sounded like. Are you trying to play a PAL disc in an NTSC player or vice versa?
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MavLy21
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16. December 2006 @ 03:59 |
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Alright. Sorry to confuse you guys. The region screen thing is just a screen I saw in the menus subfolder after opening the VIDEO_TS file. I'm not actually getting that screen when trying to play the back-up copy.
What the problem is I burn the DVD just like I usually do. But on this back-up copy of M:I III. It stops playing when going to the title menu. I can play the movie if I tell it to specifically go to Title 1, Chapter 1.
Ok...so I have backed-up movies before on single and dual layered discs. And everything has been fine. Except for M:I III and now I found out my Stars Episode I back-up does the same. It just stops playing the DVD when going to the menu. Both have been burned to dual-layered DVD+R. Again...I will try to re-burn M:I III On a single layer and see if it works.
Anyways.....I load up AnyDVD, and use DVD Decrypter like you showed me syxguns. Then I load up VobBlanker.....and Process All without blanking out anything. Is this a useless step if I don't blank out anything? After that. I load it up on DVD Shrink, and burn it. This is what I have been doing for all my other DVDs that do work fine........well except for the Decrypter part since I just got it recently.
I don't think I have the same problems with the thread in the DVD-9....but I will try to burn it with a diff software to see if that helps. Again....it burns without errors, and it had worked on other DVDs. It just stops playing when going to the DVD menu (where you click Play movie, Settings, Chapter selection, bonus features, etc.).
I will definately try a single layered disc. THen I will try to burn it on a dual layered via the method mentioned in the thread you gave me. Although...I think I need to figure out how to actually burn with decrypter.
Again, thanks for the help. It's wierd....I guess I'm the only having this exact problem.
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16. December 2006 @ 12:52 |
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MavLy21-
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Anyways.....I load up AnyDVD, and use DVD Decrypter like you showed me syxguns. Then I load up VobBlanker.....and Process All without blanking out anything. Is this a useless step if I don't blank out anything? After that. I load it up on DVD Shrink, and burn it. This is what I have been doing for all my other DVDs that do work fine........well except for the Decrypter part since I just got it recently.
Yes it is pointless to run VobBlanker if you are not going to blank, delete, or strip anything. In this thread a little above my buddy alkohol suggested following his guide. There is a lot of information on that M:I III that you do not need. It is truly useful to get rid of this kind of information if you want a high quality backup on a DVD-5.
Now if you are going to burn to a DVD-9 you do not half to remove the information, but I still would. Do you need FBI warnings, rating symbols, the area after the credits that says who the DVD was created by. You can also in many cases remove Tri-Star, Columbia, and other 45 second trade marks.
Basically I use VobBlanker for everything. I tried using CloneDVD2 but did not find it as useful as being able to see everything and blank items that I did not desire. Take for example previews. There may be a few of them that you want to keep on the DVD, but there may be a couple that are pointless. Another thing to remember is that sometimes the 1 preview may be on the disk 2 or 3 times. Do you need it taking up that much space? Read that guide by alkohol. It is a great basic guide for beginners to follow. After you use VobBlanker a few times you will get the hang of it and feel like you can't live without it.
The thing you mentioned about the disk freezing before the menu could have something to do with a cell in that folder. If you view a cell that has nothing on it, then do you need it? VobBlanker will put a blank cell in its place so that the DVD will still play properly. Maybe there is a cell in M:I 3 like that. I don't remember, it has been a while since I made my backup. But read that guide and blank some undesirable material from the disk and see if it works. You should be able to burn to a DVD-9 if you desire to. Just use another program besides Nero to do it. And another thing to remember is that if you are burning to +R media to burn it as a [-ROM] format. This gives the disk the advantage of being able to play on multiple machines.
Good luck and let me know how it goes.
Edit: to fix error
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MavLy21
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16. December 2006 @ 14:03 |
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Will do. I think I'll try to blank out unneeded stuff. I really do think it is a cell and not my burning methods since other DVDs I have burned seemed to come out fine.
If that doesn't work, then I will continue down my list of things to try. Haha.
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16. December 2006 @ 18:20 |
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Yes it is pointless to run VobBlanker if you are not going to blank, delete, or strip anything.
Totally agree!! Especially if it's a Sony DVD, Sony loves to throw in bunch of useless Previews/Ads, Warnings, Rating logos/screens, uselss tiny cells, etc.
@MavLy21
Simply use my basic "deleting & blanking" guide for beginners. After 2 or 3 times, you'll get the hang of it and once you've mastered all VobBlanker's techniques, you can tell what VTS, PGC to "delete/blank" easily.
I usually "blank & delete" nearly everything, except "Main Movie + Menu" to gain more quality on my backup in result. Furthermore, I even go as far as "deleting some useless menu" sometimes and keeping what's necessary only.
Come to think of it, do we really need all those useless junks (i.e. FBI Warnings, rating logos/screens, Advertisement/Previews/Trailers, Extras, games, tiny useless cells/vts, etc.)? With VobBlanker, you can even go as far as "stripping out the end credits or certain unwanted scenes" something silimar to "start & end frames" with DVD Shrink.
However, I won't go in too much detail because it looks confusing/complicated, but in reality it's not. Once you get the hang of "blanking & deleting", then you can try out more and see what VobBlanker is capable of to the extreme.
Best of luck!!
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MavLy21
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16. December 2006 @ 18:51 |
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Man. I can't wait to try and see if deleting some cells will work. But now that I'm done with some of my errands....it's off to a party and drink. :)
Thanks for the help. I will definately be deleting those warngins and what not. You've convinced me, and I too don't see a reason to keep them except for just keeping everything in it's original form.
Another thing....I could google this, but what the heck...what does VTS and PGC stand for? :)
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16. December 2006 @ 19:22 |
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Man. I can't wait to try and see if deleting some cells will work. But now that I'm done with some of my errands....it's off to a party and drink. :)
NOTE: I highly recommend turning off (disable) AnyDVD when you're ripping with DVDFab Decrypter or when processing with VobBlanker.
Have you tried the latest DVDFab Decrypter 3.0.5.0 to rip into your HD? To be honest with you, I've never come across any DVD/movies that I can not rip or backup using DVDFab + VobBlanker (to process and blank out unwanted junks).
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Another thing....I could google this, but what the heck...what does VTS and PGC stand for? :)
VTS = Video Title Set
PGC = Program Chains
Best of luck!!
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17. December 2006 @ 05:27 |
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alkohol,
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Come to think of it, do we really need all those useless junks (i.e. FBI Warnings, rating logos/screens, Advertisement/Previews/Trailers, Extras, games, tiny useless cells/vts, etc.)? With VobBlanker, you can even go as far as "stripping out the end credits or certain unwanted scenes" something silimar to "start & end frames" with DVD Shrink.
I couldn't have said it better myself. Hopefully MavLy21 will follow the directions in you guide and will be off to the races! If I didn't mention it before, your guide is a great guide for beginners to start to get the hang of using the power of.....
VobBlanker!
Pssst, I bet you thought I was going to say voodoo.
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MavLy21
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19. December 2006 @ 08:19 |
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Alright....so.....I tried again.....with everything being the same....except I actually used VobBlanker like it was suppose to be used.
I blanked out all the copyright/fbi/warnings crud. And blanked out everything that had nothing when I clicked the play for preview. I only left one and that was because I got some message about it might be needed to play the menu correctly.
So I finished burning with my fingers crossed, and once finished..the dvd played fine. I'm guessing it had some nonsense in the warning stuff that stopped the DVD backup when going to the menu. Whatever. I'll be removing that stuff from now on, and maybe the occasional bad movie trailer.
I actually kept all that stuff so that it would be an exact back-up, but eh....who needs it especially when it could ruin the back-up process. Haha.
One question though......I suppose it is the same...but I want to make sure. Is the "Blank" button equal to the "Delete" button? I'm thinking yes, but what does this noob know? :)
Wait....I got another....so I know for media...I look for Made In Japan. And this is for quality? And longer usage? Or no? Or more reasons? I searched around and that's the impressin I'm getting.....anyways. Here is the real question.......what's a good Dual Layered media I can pick up in person here in souther california? Or is the only avenue I have to purchase good media just online? Bah. I suppose I should have made a new thread, but these questions aren't too important and I'm still hungover. lol.
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19. December 2006 @ 15:12 |
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Originally posted by MavLy21:
One question though......I suppose it is the same...but I want to make sure. Is the "Blank" button equal to the "Delete" button? I'm thinking yes, but what does this noob know? :)
Wait....I got another....so I know for media...I look for Made In Japan. And this is for quality? And longer usage? Or no? Or more reasons? I searched around and that's the impressin I'm getting.....anyways. Here is the real question.......what's a good Dual Layered media I can pick up in person here in souther california? Or is the only avenue I have to purchase good media just online? Bah. I suppose I should have made a new thread, but these questions aren't too important and I'm still hungover. lol.
The first question you asked about blank being equal to delete, well not really. The file is still there. The file has to be there for the DVD to play correctly. What the blank does is remove the information that is inside it without removing the cell itself. I hope that makes sense!
As far as media goes, yes the better the media the longer the life and you can also burn closer to the edge of better media. As far as dual layer, I don't really buy it that often. Verbatim, Ritek, and FujiFilm are good, and I'm sure that there are a few more. I personally buy Taiyo Yuden from http://supermediastore.com/. They are made in Japan and are very high quality. If you buy something from them they will add you to there news letter. You have to wait for the really good deals. The last two times I bought from them I bought quantity of 200 with free delivery and only paid like .28 or .29 cents per disk. You will also get added features. One time I got a DVD case for free and the second time I got 200 white envelopes.
I would say that most of the time, buying from them when they have a special with free delivery is cheaper than buying in the store, unless you find some on sale. I hope that answered your questions. Glad you got the movie burned.
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