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Blu- ray Sux!
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Adamontar
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13. January 2007 @ 23:08 |
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I live in Australia so I have been waiting a long time to see blu- ray. Finally its been released here. So I went with some friends to a local TV shop to see a preview of Blu-ray movie compared to DVD. The 1080p Tv showed one side of the picture in HD 1080p and the other in Dvd, I was not impressed the picture was not that much beter than DVD. The only thing they did in the preview was just degrade the DVD picture to make it look crap against the HD. They also showed a movie fantastic Four on the Blu- ray, with a 1080p TV, I swear people thought it was a normal Dvd. When I looked closely I could say honestly the picture is just about 10% better than Dvd not any more. I also checked the blu- ray movie discs, obselete. I thought they would use gold on the reflective layer of the disc, but it looked like alluminum. If the data layer is just 0.1mm from the surface and they use alluminum its very likley to get oxidised compared to 0.6mm in HD-DVD and dvd, even if they use silver. I dont know maybe HD-DVD is better, but I have not seen that one yet.
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silver112
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14. January 2007 @ 01:17 |
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yeah i saw a bluray movie at best buy and i said the same thing.
only thing its good for is more capacity (50 GB) on the disc for ps3.
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error5
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14. January 2007 @ 04:06 |
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I don't think you can judge a format from a few minutes of viewing a demo disc at your local tv store. I suggest finding a friend with a PS3 or a standalone and a decent HDTV and trying one of the recent releases with good marks for PQ such as Tears of the Sun, Kingdom of Heaven, X-Men - The Last Stand, Ice Age 2 or Superman Returns. It would also help if you had a good surround sound system to try the lossless audio on a couple of these discs.
Just a suggestion.
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HmongKEE
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14. January 2007 @ 14:41 |
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Adamontar
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15. January 2007 @ 00:41 |
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The Preview that I saw was on a pure 1080p Tv with digital connection. Besides previews always have better quality than movies, as they are introducing and advertising new technology it has to look good. I also watched a real movie fantastic four which is not that old, their is no reason for the picture to be inferior to the other maybe better quality movies.
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error5
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15. January 2007 @ 03:01 |
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The Preview that I saw was on a pure 1080p Tv with digital connection.
I also watch BluRay (and HD-DVD) on a 1080p display with a purely digital HDMI connection and I still disagree with your assesment. I have to add that my Sony 1080p LCD was ISF calibrated so it has an advantage over the displays at your local TV store.
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Besides previews always have better quality than movies, as they are introducing and advertising new technology it has to look good.
The BluRay demo that came out last year here in the states was a very poor hodgepodge of MPEG2 encoded clips. The only good clip was a short scene from the animated film Chicken Little. There is a general consensus that it looked markedly inferior compared to the VC-1 encoded HD-DVD demo especially when seen side-by-side at a retailer.
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I also watched a real movie fantastic four which is not that old, their is no reason for the picture to be inferior to the other maybe better quality movies.
The age of the film has nothing to do with picture quality. A lot has to do with the codec used and the skill of the encoder. Here's an accurate review of the picture quality aspect of the BluRay release of Fantastic Four which I happen to agree with:
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/fantasticfour.html
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The Video: Sizing Up the Picture
Unlike the first two Fox Blu-ray launch titles I've reviewed, 'X-Men: The Last Stand' and ' 'The Omen,' 'Fantastic Four' is the first not encoded in AVC MPEG-4, but rather MPEG-2. It is also a BD-25 single-layer disc, which doesn't leave much wiggle room. Yet despite these limitations, I was generally pleased with this 2.40:1 widescreen and 1080p transfer.
Clicking around various web reviews of the standard-def DVD of 'Fantastic Four,' many reviewers complained of a lack of detail and in particular video noise marring that release. I found no such problems with the Blu-ray version. The source material is in excellent shape, with not a visible speck of dirt or the like. Blacks are perfect throughout, and contrast consistent across the entire grayscale. The image is also not overly harsh, and contrast is a bit hot at times, but nothing unusual in today's world of computer-enhanced blockbusters. Detail is also strong, with a nice sense of depth, even in long shots. The image is rarely flat or two-dimensional, so all in all, this is a nice win for Blu-ray.
However, I did personally have a couple of problems with the overall visual look of the film. I have no way of knowing whether this was intentional or not, but the transfer looks a bit dark to my eye, with the fall-off to black quite steep, hampering visible detail in dark scenes. And colors, while stable and clean, are somewhat oversaturated for my taste. Fleshtones too, often look too pasty, if still the proper shade of orange. The movie could have looked more natural and film-like had these tweaks been reduced a bit, but again, this all could very well be intentional, and my personal taste is not shared by all. So, setting aside my own aesthetic nitpicks, I'm still giving this one a healthy four-star rating.
Just to prove my point that the age of the film has nothing to do with transfer quality, here's the PQ review of the 1981 film Superman II:
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/supermanii.html
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The source material has really been rehabbed nicely. Blacks are rock solid -- I did not detect very much in the way of wavering or washed out shadow areas, even with the old effects scenes. Color reproduction is strong, too. Blues, reds and greens are especially vivid, and vastly improved over any previous video versions I've seen, even the previous theatrical cut of 'Superman II' on standard-def DVD. However, the mix 'n' match footage does suffer from some wavering. Colors sometimes will drop out for a frame or two, and fluctuations in solid backgrounds appear randomly. It is nothing severe, but it certainly won't go by unnoticed by more critical viewers.
Even more impressive is the lack of grain and dirt visible. I expected 'Superman II' to be a blemish-fest, with lots of screwed up old matte shots and the like. Though some of the new CGI is pretty phony and obvious, on the plus side there are no sequences that otherwise stand out incongruous with the rest of the film. Note, however, that like its predecessor, Donner and his director of photography Geoffrey Unsworth made extensive use of soft filtering throughout 'Superman II.' What looks like a fine mist permeates the entire movie, so while this transfer is sharp, it certainly does not have the super-smooth, ultra-clarity of a modern film. However, I did review 'Superman II' using the Blu-ray player in the PlayStation 3, and so far I've found it outputs a bit smoother, less harsh image than the Samsung BD-P1000. That said, depth is just as impressive as the HD DVD transfer, and the film really does look quite three-dimensional. Color me impressed.
Read the other BluRay reviews on highdefdigest.com to separate the good from the bad.
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Adamontar
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15. January 2007 @ 12:46 |
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Whats ISF calibrated?. The demo here was a mixture of nature scenes such as mountains and rivers, canyons, and also some high tech actions scenes from movies, I think one was from lethal weapon. Do you think that VC-1 encoding is better than MPEG-4 used in Blu-ray?. What about the discs the data is only 0.1mm from the surface?
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error5
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16. January 2007 @ 03:59 |
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Whats ISF calibrated?.
ISF is the Imaging Science Foundation. They oversee training and certification of professionals who come into your home and use a combination of specialized hardware and software to adjust your display settings for optimum viewing and dramatically improve picture quality. See dblbogey7's posts here:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/429199
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Do you think that VC-1 encoding is better than MPEG-4 used in Blu-ray?.
Some BluRay discs already use VC1 and these are the ones that usually get good marks for picture quality. Examples are The Ant Bully, Corpse Bride, and Superman Returns. MPEG2 can look good too - see the reviews for Tears of the Sun and Ice Age The Meltdown. The AVC/MPEG4 releases are also good PQ-wise such as The Wild and X-Men The Last Stand.
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What about the discs the data is only 0.1mm from the surface?
All BluRay discs have some form of proprietary hard coating technology usually by Sony, Panasonic or TDK ("Durabis"). I've rented several BluRay (and even HD-DVD) discs from Netflix and despite obvious scratches and smudges they've played through without a hitch.
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mark3349
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16. January 2007 @ 17:55 |
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21. January 2007 @ 13:10 |
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If you want to bash Blu-ray then go do it in the HD-DVD forum. Posting crap like this here has no other purpose than to start a flame war.
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