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3 Flashing red lights!!!
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ajf725
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19. February 2007 @ 06:36 |
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Hey. I have a modified xbox 360 console with xtreme firmware. I was in the middle of playing a game when my video froze and sound went out. I immediately shut down and rebooted. got back into the game and it happened again. rebooted again and now i get nothing but the 3 red lights. I have no error code for I have no video or sound. After freaking out i realized that other appliances have been reset as well. Ive come to the conclusion that my 360 had a power surge. Microsoft wants 139.99 to repair it. WHAT SHOULD I DO? HAS ANYONE EVER SENT A MODDED 360 TO BE REPAIRED? Any suggestins would be appreciated!!
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19. February 2007 @ 07:21 |
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i wouldn't do that...to me that seems like nothing but trouble.
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ajf725
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19. February 2007 @ 07:41 |
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I know the 3 lights is an a/v problem. i will try a new cable to see what happens. if that doesnt help maybe im better off just selling it for parts on ebay
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Pride1
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19. February 2007 @ 10:06 |
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i'm with monteca, it would seem nothing but trouble
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19. February 2007 @ 11:11 |
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im afraid this is bad news for your xbox...this is now becoming quite a common problem with xbox 360's which are just outside their 1 year warranties. the 3 red lights indicates a fatal hardware error which costs £80 to fix (unless you have a warranty) :( but since your xbox is modded the warranty is already invalid so the only options are to buy a new xbox or cough up the money to repair it
believe it or not this just happened to my friend yesterday and he is in the situation where he has 3 red lights on the front and cant even turn his xbox on - and guess what, his 1 year warranty ended 1 month ago
Currently on my 7th PS3 and 4th Xbox, gotta love technology.. This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 19. February 2007 @ 11:14
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dargo30
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21. February 2007 @ 07:21 |
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Hi, just to let you know this problem can be fixed a lot cheaper than that. My 360 had the same problem and I got it flashed and the 3 red lights fixed for £70. That was abot 5months ago, and it is still going strong!!
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caliph
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21. February 2007 @ 08:02 |
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OR you could take the other way..........
Some people who have bricked their xbox 360's(when trying to flash it), returned it to walmart and exchanged it for a new one. Since walmart doesnt ask for a recipet, i guess you could try exchaning a messed up 360 for a new one.
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21. February 2007 @ 08:52 |
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Uh oh, this sounds like trouble.
I'm in the UK and it was in fact only today that my mate mentioned this problem with the 3 red lights just outside of the 1 year warranty...
Does anyone know if this problem applies to 360's outside of the US? I've had mine since January 2006 and I'm rather worried :(
My mate actually said the fault was an in-built feature put in by Microsoft purposefully to cash in even more money from all the busted up 360s they'd need to repair.
I hope my 360 doesn't count as a potential brick like others, I don't use it that often really, maybe once a week.
Does anyone else know anything about this problem? Microsoft have got some nerve trying this if they actually did...
Sorry about your 360 ajf725, I suppose chips are just pot-luck and have the potential to ruin consoles. I hope you can get that sorted; I do tend to agree with caliph, though. If you can convince walmart you bought it from them you could be in luck. Just a shame there's nowhere really like that in Britain... it's no receipt, no refund everywhere.
Good luck.
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21. February 2007 @ 08:58 |
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yeh xithon its a shame ther's no place like walmart in the uk lol
i doubt a company with a high a profile as M$ would DELIBERATELY make 360's break but it does seem that this is quite a common problem
my friend who i mentioned up there ^^ made a really stroppy phone call to M$ and now he's getting his fixed for free!
Currently on my 7th PS3 and 4th Xbox, gotta love technology..
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21. February 2007 @ 09:13 |
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Ha! Too right he should!
Well ok, maybe suggesting Microsoft would deliberately do this is a little extreme, but to be fair, it was them who made the console and if there's been reports of a lot of them failing to function after a year, it just goes to show they didn't test it enough or used a cheap component or building process here or there.
It really is disgusting that they should ask for 80 quid to repair our £300+ machines: us thinking from the start that for cash like this, it should have top quality build and parts.
Although I'm not a heavy user of mine, if it actually does go bust in the next few months, I'll be giving Microsoft a piece of my mind.
This all seems very familiar to me, though... Does anyone remember all the hassle people had when they bought their original Xbox'es around the release date? They caused fires because of the ridiculous heat the transformer gave off, even when the Xbox itself as not in use. Sure, Microsoft were gushing, offering Xbox owners free fixed transformers, but another possible serious fault with the 360 as well...
Come on MS, sort yourselves out!!
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David360
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21. February 2007 @ 09:24 |
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There are several reasons for the "3 red light" faults...poor heat dissapation and poor input power that I know of. I can create "3 red lights" on my 360 everytime just by wiggling the plug at the back of the unit. That is why the Nyko intercoolers are bad...because they don't securely fasten to the 360. Also make sure that the 360 is plugged directly into the wall outlet, no power strip. Last, keep it in an area with good air circulation and best to stand up vertically to free up the most space to dissapate heat. FYI: I bought both of my premium 360's on ebay for $150.00 each, both claiming the "3 red light" fault but haven't experienced the fault first hand myself while playing. Just my two cents. I have heard over and over how people send their 360's in for repair only for the fault to happen again...which leads me to believe its not just the fault of the 360 but also how it is cooled and powered.
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21. February 2007 @ 10:31 |
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Wow, 2 360s?!
I actually had all 4 lights on my 360 go red a few minutes ago, due to the fact I forgot to plug in the video out cable.
Thanks a lot for the heads up david, and I'm sure ajf725 will be glad to hear that. I know how dodgy the power lead going into the 360 can be because of the unique connector and the fact it has to go in all the way so it clicks.
As for heat dissipation, I'd recommend getting a well rated cooling dock if you enjoy using your 360 a lot. I wouldn't benefit from it as much obviously because of my short usage.
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dargo30
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21. February 2007 @ 12:19 |
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I cant say I know what the 3 red light fault is exactly, but like i said previously i had mine fixed and chipped 5 months ago, and it is still good. I dropped it off in Manchester and picked it up the same day. So dont think that the three red lights are the death throws of your xbox 360, because they are not!!! If your M$ warranty has run out there are plenty of people out there that will fix it for a decent price.
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paulbrem
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21. February 2007 @ 12:44 |
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Spooky
The 3 red light thing happened to mine this morning........
my console was bought in january last year so its one month out of warranty. But I got a new console from microsoft about 4 months ago because I sent mine back for repair and they game me a new one.
Both were modified firmware, oh well what shall I do next :-s
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ajf725
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21. February 2007 @ 12:54 |
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guys thanks for all the help I appreciate it. I will try my 360 with a friends console to see if the power brick is just messed up. if not ill give walmart a try. I didnt know they didnt need receipts good tip! Ill let everyone know what happenes.
Thank to everyone!
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raysuave
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21. February 2007 @ 23:10 |
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Does anybody know which 360 versions (firmwares? or DVD drive models?) which is most likely to get the three rings. First I had an ms25 I bought in Dec. 05, and got it replaced four months ago with an ms28 because I started to get the white screen with all the languages a lot. I modded the ms28 last month and haven't had any problems. Are these issues more common with the first shipments of 360's or is it just random 360's without any type of pattern?
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ajf725
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22. February 2007 @ 11:52 |
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I have a first wave ms-25. Im not sure which fw i have because someone i had someone do it for me. Im pretty sure its 3.0 at least. it was done in mid-october so whatever the latest fw was back then, thats what i have. Is it possible i just need to re-flash to a newer firmware? i was thinking about upgrading anyway.
Thoughts?
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22. February 2007 @ 16:27 |
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now that i think about yea my xbox did the same thing after a power surge throught out the house but when i started it back up it played just fine but wow i would have been pissed if my xbox got jacked up
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paulbrem
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22. February 2007 @ 16:29 |
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I flashed my xbox to 4.0 (latest at the time) and got open tray error messages. I reflash to 3.3. then all was fine.
the red three rings appeared yesterday (see my previous post above) and I have just reflash back to my original firmware, still the 3 red rings error :-(.
I flash using my motherboard and even with the consoles dvd drive connected to the pc the 3 red rings flash.
anyone any thoughts (besides microsoft or skip ;-)
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paulbrem
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22. February 2007 @ 17:26 |
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sorry look at next post.
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paulbrem
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22. February 2007 @ 17:29 |
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Over on another forum they listed how to decipher what your Xbox360 is trying to tell you when you get the three rings of light. There is a code that will flash if you hold down the "Synch" button (White button near the memory slot) and press the DVD Eject button. You will notice the quadrant of lights illuminate and each time you press the eject button you will get a different code.
It breaks down to this:
All four lights illuminate = 0
One Light = 1
Two Lights = 2
Three Lights = 3
Example:
Turn on your "dead" xbox. Wait for the 3 red lights. Once you get them hold the "Synch" button and the eject button down simultaniously. All four lights flash. (0) Press the eject button again and only one light (1) press again and all four light up (0) press again and two lights (2). Error code is 0102. compare this code to the table below to find out what is wrong with your X360. Is it overheating? Power Cord? Hardware?
The Code I got is 0102 which means the computer does not know the problem as it is not hardware or heating or anything like that. Could be dust, loose solder or static! I use a can of compressed air and my X360 IS BACK!!!!!! I do not know for how long but I played last night for several hours and had not one Hiccup. This after a whole week of the dreaded RINGS OF DEATH!!
Here is the list ( Thank You to KILLTACULAR for posting this!!)
0001 power supply problem
0002 power supply problem
0003 (not yet known)
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0010 over heating
0011 over heating
0012 over heating
0013 over heating
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0020 (Not yet known, possibly overheating)
0021 (not yet known)
0022 GPU Error / GPU Overheating
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0101 (not yet known)
0102 unknown error - literally means the console does not know what is wrong. Possibly a short or cold solder joint somewhere (2 reports of people repairing this, one was removing moisture build up inside the console, the other used a hot-air rework to reflow the BGA Ram chips)
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0110 Memory Error / Memory Overheating
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1003 Hard Drive Error... It could be a problem with the Hard Drive itself or a problem with the internal connection to the hard drive, Try removing the hard drive and playing without it
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1010 Hard Drive Error, Can be caused buy a currupt or missing Eprom.
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1013 (not yet known)
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1020 (not yet known)
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1022 AV cable error... There is a problem with the AV cable, try using a different AV cable. (could also be a problem with the encoder chip)
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1030 (not yet known)
Here are some other codes they posted!!
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Sections 1, 2, 3, and 4 are flashing red
- The AV cable cannot be detected
THINGS TO TRY
Make sure that the AV cable is correctly connected to the Xbox 360 console.
Disconnect the AV cable from the Xbox 360 console, and then reconnect the AV cable to the Xbox 360 console.
If the four flashing red lights continue to flash, try wiping the metal area of the AV pack with a dry cloth. The metal area is the end that plugs into the console. Wipe the metal area thoroughly, and then try the AV Pack again.
If the AV cable is correctly connected but the four red lights are still flashing, substitute a different AV cable if you have one available.
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Sections 1, 3, and 4 are flashing red
- General Hardware Failure
Check the secondary Error Code per the instructions in the section below
THINGS TO TRY
Try restarting the console.
If restarting the console does not resolve the behavior, follow these steps:
Turn the console off.
Unplug all the power and AV cables from the console.
Unplug the power cord from the wall socket.
Firmly reconnect all the cables.
Turn on the console.
If these steps do not resolve the behavior, turn the console off, remove the hard drive, and then turn on the console. If the 3x Red LED error light is no longer displayed, turn the console off, re-attach the hard drive, and then turn on the console.
Also examine the lights on the power supply. When you turn on the console, the power supply light should illuminate green even if the three lights on the RoL flash red.
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Sections 1, and 3 are flashing red
- Overheating
THINGS TO TRY
Let the Xbox 360 console cool.
Note You may have to wait several hours for the console to cool enough. Do not turn on the console when the console is hot.
Verify that the console has sufficient ventilation and that the fan is operating. For more information about ventilation, see the "More Information" section.
PREVENTION SUGGESTIONS
To try to prevent this problem, use the following precautions:
Do not block any ventilation openings on the Xbox 360 console.
Do not put the Xbox 360 console on a bed, on a sofa, or on any other soft surface that may block ventilation openings.
Do not put the Xbox 360 console in a confined space, such as a bookcase, a rack, or a stereo cabinet, unless the space is well-ventilated.
Do not put the Xbox 360 console near any heat source, such as a radiator, a heat register, a stove, or an amplifier.
DO NOT EVER PUT YOUR CONSOLE IN THE FREEZER OR OUT IN COLD WEATHER
Some people think that doing this might help "fix" an overheating console, in fact doing so could cause even bigger problems. Electronic devices like your console are made to function at and around room temperature, extreme cold temperatures can often cause just as many problems as extreme warm temperatures (such as overheating). Also if the console is located in a dramatically cold area while running, the difference in temperature between the hot console and cold air can create condensation which in turn will short out your console making the situation far worse. Condensation will happen more quickly if your console is overheating due to the greater difference in temperature. In short... DON'T DO IT.
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Section 4 is flashing red
- Hardware Failure
The Specific Type of hardware failure can be determined by the error code displayed on the screen.
If the screen is blank or you would like additional information follow the instructions for determining the secondary error code in the section below
E64: (not yet known)
E65: DVD Drive Error.... DVD Timeout, Wrong firmware, dvd is without f/w chip, etc.
E67: Hard Drive Error... It could be a problem with the Hard Drive itself or a problem with the internal connection to the hard drive, Try removing the hard drive and playing without it
E68: Hard Drive Error... It could be a problem with the Hard Drive itself or a problem with the internal connection to the hard drive, Try removing the hard drive and playing without it, This can also be caused by a Hard Drive Eprom Error.
E69: Hard Drive Error... It could be a problem with the Hard Drive itself or a problem with the internal connection to the hard drive, Try removing the hard drive and playing without it
E71: (not yet known)
E73: (not yet known)
E74: AV cable error... There is a problem with the AV cable, try using a different AV cable. (could also be a problem with the encoder chip)
E76: (not yet known)
E79: Hard Drive Error... It could be a problem with the Hard Drive itself or a problem with the internal connection to the hard drive, Try removing the hard drive and playing without it
Shame I'm classed as a neewbie cos I wasnt allowed to edit this post until 3 minutes, lol ;-0
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caliph
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22. February 2007 @ 17:32 |
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3 possible solutions to fix the 3 red lights of death(altough i dont guarantee these to be permanent fixes, they should work temoporarily)
1. towel method- wrap a towel around the 360 while its on for about 10 mins so it can cool off. then turn off the console and remove the towel.
http://thexboxdomain.net/2007/01/15/the-towel-trick-fixes-360s
2. perhaps "syching" your xbox 360 - http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=717200
3- using a heat gun to fix it altough i wouldnt recommend it altgough many people have reported it as being successful- http://youtube.com/watch?v=T5nfmJTQJr8
4- the good old fashion way- HITTING IT lol- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIARuzFOExc&eurl
All of these are some ways you could possibly fix your 360. Honestly, if i were you, i would first test some of these methods. if none of them work, do not send it to microsoft! ive heard so many bad stories about their shipping and overcharging to fix your xbox. You should give it walmart and excahnge for a new one. that way, you get a new 360 same day, rather than paying for shipping and however much you would have paid to get your 360 fixed.
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23. February 2007 @ 14:58 |
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I'm probably sure alot of people have already heard of this, but I've just learned in statistics something called the "bell" curve. The curve is a curve to illustrate at what point in time an electrical appliance will break down. The curve shows that the majority of appliances will break down within the first year, and after that 1 year period, it is very unlikely to break down for another couple of years. However loads of people are complaining about 360s after the year warranty, which does make me think that microsoft has been intentionally making these 360s to live out the warranty and then break.
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tabletpc
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23. February 2007 @ 15:43 |
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wow my 360 has had no problems and my 1 year warrenty is up with no problems most of the problems come from paeople who have modded there consoles or worse got consoles when they first came out and where produced by the chinese company that got sued for assembling the 360 wrong and causeing all sorts of failures
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johnblaze
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23. February 2007 @ 16:34 |
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Originally posted by EzyDuzIt:
However loads of people are complaining about 360s after the year warranty, which does make me think that microsoft has been intentionally making these 360s to live out the warranty and then break.
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My mate actually said the fault was an in-built feature put in by Microsoft purposefully to cash in even more money from all the busted up 360s they'd need to repair.
There is no reason for MS to do this, their goal with the console is to get it into the hands of the consumer, most consoles sold during the first year are sold for less than they cost to make and MS has just now reduced the cost to make under the retail price, the reason for this is because they make a TON of money off the software, they get a percentage of each game sold and dev's also get charged for they're development cycle if they choose to publish a game, so MS really has no reason to intentionally break a console, since the risk of the consumer not rebuying would far outweigh the profit of selling another console.
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