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Question bout ALL safedisk
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AmPaRo
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28. August 2003 @ 08:33 |
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I'm kinda confused with this, in alcoholer, you can see that safedisk 2.4+ till 2.8(not included) uses EFM patterns lvl 2, s.8 included basic pre-gap, and 2.9 EFM patterns lvl 3 and pre-gap variable size , my quiestion is, my burner, a NEC ND-1300A has no sheeps :_(, it is new, but it is a present so i couldn't choose what one i wanted, the one i had before couldn't even read subchannel. but i can perfectly backup safedisk till V 2.8, the question is: how could i burn it without EFM encoding but the protection needs EFM encoding lvl 2??????
Thks.
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Praetor
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28. August 2003 @ 08:39 |
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AmPaRo
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28. August 2003 @ 08:56 |
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So the thing is that with no NEC you can burn safedisc rite?
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Praetor
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28. August 2003 @ 09:57 |
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Well I dont know about your specific NEC but in general without even a 1-sheeper, burning almost any protection scheme is how shall we say, "difficult". Given that you dont even have a 1-sheeper your task will be even more daunting if not possible. Give that 1-sheeper guide a go maybe that can help but odds are you will not be able to do the more recent SD2 protections.
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AmPaRo
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28. August 2003 @ 10:47 |
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But for securom EFM encoding isn't needed rite?
At least i could perfectly backup W3: the frozen throne
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Praetor
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28. August 2003 @ 10:52 |
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eeew i dont think you will be able to do WC3 with a 0-sheeper hehe
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AmPaRo
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28. August 2003 @ 10:55 |
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it's 0 sheep in elby's list in EFM encoding, but in subchannel it has 2, the fact is that i backed up the frozen throne and works, just in the reader not in the writer, but still works.
Mayb it's that my burner isnt 0 sheeps :D
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Praetor
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29. August 2003 @ 02:47 |
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Perhaps it is a repackaged burner (or just a freak case of that model)
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AmPaRo
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29. August 2003 @ 04:29 |
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When i hear things like that i love to say this: MANDE??? it's spanish :P, i dont understand you ¬_¬.
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Praetor
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29. August 2003 @ 07:41 |
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What I mean is that some burners are made by one company and marketed as another.
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AmPaRo
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29. August 2003 @ 08:13 |
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well, yes, it was supposed to be a Freecom, but it isnt ¬_¬
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Shoey
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29. August 2003 @ 11:10 |
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the one i had before couldn't even read subchannel. but i can perfectly backup safedisk till V 2.8, the question is: how could i burn it without EFM encoding but the protection needs EFM encoding lvl 2??????
All cd burners write EFM encoding (Eight to fourteen modulation). Some burners write "regular bit patterns correctly (2 sheep) some burners write regular bit patterns almost correctly(1 sheep). The ability to backup Safedisc 2.8-2.9 (pre-gap) is not only 2 sheep hardware dependent, but also the abilty of the "rom" (DVD\CD\CDRW) to read "pre-gap". One can use Paddus DiscJuggler and read (dump) the image of a Safedisc 2.8-2.9 image and burn to a cdrw to determine if the "rom" has the abilty to read "pre-gap". Well known brand names that can read "pre-gap": Toshiba, Plextor& Asus. So you backups of Safedisc 2.51 played in a dvd\cd-rom& your burner without the aid of emulation? EFM encoding isn't a issue backing up SecuROM cd protection, however, your "reader" must have the abilty to read sub-q channel data. Most cd burners nowadays do.....
Shoey :) ____
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AmPaRo
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29. August 2003 @ 11:15 |
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Yeh, not onlly in my pc but in a friend's who hasn't got any kind of cd-r hiding stuff like alcohol or clonecd. sounds strange doesnt it???, bcuz safedisck 2.8 doesnt work, just if i play the cd in the direct exe, not the autorun ¬_¬
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Shoey
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29. August 2003 @ 11:20 |
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Yeh, not onlly in my pc but in a friend's who hasn't got any kind of cd-r hiding stuff like alcohol or clonecd. sounds strange doesnt it???,
No as backups of Safedisc 2.8-2.9 are played in a dvd\cd-rom drive m8. Only way to play the backup of Safedisc 2.8-2.9 in a cd burner is to use some type of emulation or the aid of ATIP tool (ignore media type\hide cd-r). I'm talking about "true" Safedisc 2.8-2.9 images, not internet downloads .
Shoey :)
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AmPaRo
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29. August 2003 @ 11:23 |
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hey man, i'd never talk bout warez here, i do not dl games of inet bcuz my bandwith is really poor 56k, the games i try to backup are original ones, well not common ones, but originals. ¬_¬
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Shoey
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29. August 2003 @ 11:36 |
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hey man, i'd never talk bout warez here, i do not dl games of inet bcuz my bandwith is really poor 56k, the games i try to backup are original ones, well not common ones, but originals
I (nor anyone else) am not accussing you about warez m8, just the facts . Now you know why (or anyone who reads this thread) why they "may" encounter install\play errors when backing up Safedisc 2.8-2.9. The ability of a "rom" to read "pre-gap" is very helpful....
Shoey :)
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AmPaRo
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29. August 2003 @ 11:39 |
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K m8, i felt bad for seconds :P, but, why did u asked if my safedisk 2.51 backups worked w/o emulation???
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