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ILO DVDR05 Anyone bought one yet???
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Rebelbg
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24. August 2005 @ 11:09 |
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What's my chances of getting a refund on my Sony +R 50 pack (minus the 2 coasters created by the IloDVDR05? (From Wal-Mart)
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Rebelbg
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24. August 2005 @ 12:58 |
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Has anyone figured out what the "BYPASS" shown on the led is???
This appears on this unit after I've formatted the disk, but haven't yet recorded. Another thing the book doesn't mention! Thanks
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soschief
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24. August 2005 @ 15:17 |
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Two questions, one kind of strange: 1. IF I decide, given the thread, to buy either a Cyberhome 1600 or ILO DVDR05, would there be a consensus which would be terrer, given neither may be really okay? 2nd: As I read it, both record DVD's much like a PC records directly, basically transferring the data/songs/avi's, etc. It doesn't "convert" a file to DVD, so would not be able to be played on any standard DVD player. Many of my PC-burned DVD's don't even play on my Samsung, while they do on my son's Sanyo. Is there some software on either machine that records and converts(when folk talk about "authoring"), like the VOB(?) files, so a program can "make" the file into a DVD? If it just "records", why would we expect it to play DVD files, anymore than ave, MPEG, etc?
(Or am I missing something completely!?)
Thanks. soschief
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24. August 2005 @ 22:21 |
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Yeah there is a firmware hack for macro protection that I found on the web.PM for more info,
Is it crap or is it memorex?
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James0823
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24. August 2005 @ 23:37 |
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soschief,
I'm far from an expert, but as for your 2nd question, the recording process might be better compared to a VCR. Computers let you do all kinds of things (record input, convert files, etc.). As I understand it, a basic DVD recorder is much like a VCR in that it basically does one thing. It takes "live" incoming video and audio signals, either from a coax connection via the built-in tuner or from audio and video inputs, and records them to a recording media (in this case a DVD instead of a tape). Some DVD recorders may have some other functions, like some editing capabilities (eg. to "delete" sections of the recording), but the basic function is to record the incoming audio and video, like a VCR. You can "convert" a tape to DVD, for example, if you connect a VCR to the DVD recorder, play the tape and record it using the DVD recorder. But the DVD recorder can't convert between different file types or anything like that.
As for compatibility, from my limited experience, a DVD recorder attempts to put the recording in the standard DVD format, so I assume that a DVD recorded on a DVD recorder _should_ be playable on DVD players in general, but it doesn't always work out that way for various reasons. At least some of that is probably media compatibility issues of one sort or another, whether it's a player that has trouble reading recordable media, in much the same way that not all CD players can read CD-R or CD-RW media, or issues resulting from the competing DVD media "standards".
Hope this helps clear things up a little.
James
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soschief
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25. August 2005 @ 17:55 |
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Thank you, James. I think I follow, but if so, it seems like we are saying something similar. Your analogy to the VCR makes sense, in that the unit (either) records exactly what is fed into it, and that's the way it is when one tries to play it on another unit. For example, my PC has software that gives a choice: 1. record as is, ie, just copy files to disk; 2 Make DVD (but only if files have already been converted to VOB files, etc).
If I want to "make a DVD" on my PC, I use "Click to DVD" software that came with PC(Sony Vaio), or a similar one from CuSoft(sp?), but can only be a compatible MPEG file, ready for DVD conversion. If the units we are discussing just copy files(any, or of a certain type), like a VCR would reproduce a movid on a second tape, then the new disk would be a DVD-disk, but not a "DVD" per se, like you would rent/purchase commercially. Is this correct? soschief(Jim)
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James0823
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25. August 2005 @ 21:26 |
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No, a DVD recorder writes to a DVD in the same format as a pre-recorded DVD and the result should, in theory, be playable in a DVD player (if the media is compatible, etc.). For example, when the DVDR05 is recording it creates "chapters" at certain points (the default is every 5 minutes). They're the same as the chapters on a pre-recorded disk. And once the DVD is complete, if you look at it on a computer you'll see the same directory structure, .VOB files, etc. as you'll find on a pre-recorded DVD.
It does not record the input in MPEG or some other format and then convert that to "DVD format" or anything like that. It records directly to the .VOB files, etc. I suppose - And this is just off the top of my head - that that may be part of the reason the process is so fragile. It's not just recording a stream of audio and video data to a single file. It's doing several things at once, updating the various parts that make up a DVD. More opportunities for things to go wrong.
James
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GoofusKAC
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25. August 2005 @ 23:02 |
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No, a DVD recorder writes to a DVD in the same format as a pre-recorded DVD and the result should, in theory, be playable in a DVD player
NO! NO! NO! Pre-recorded DVDs are in "DVD Video" format, while home-recorded DVDs are in "DVD VR (video recording)" format.
What's the difference? Not much, BUT - VR can be stopped, added to, edited, finalized decades after the first recording is put on the disc. DVD Video is a straight-shot one time only burn (like you'd buy from the store), or create using your PC.
Most VR discs are not compatible with PC DVD drives, and if the VR disc hasn't been finalized it's not compatible at all.
More info and explanations can be found here:
http://www.ulead.com/learning/general/video_04_1.htm
Ironically enough, only the handful of DVDs I finalized on the ILO-05 can be read as a 'store-bought' DVD on my PC -- yet I can playback everything I've recorded on from three different machines (showing as VR).
D.
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James0823
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26. August 2005 @ 01:35 |
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I appreciate the correction (I hate giving out bad info), although the difference doesn't seem too important in the context of the current discussion. While the format may not be exactly the same as a pre-recorded DVD, it seems to be pretty similar and, AFAICT, should be playable on at least some DVD players.
For the record, I've been assuming that we're talking about finalized DVD's only. Until then I assume the compatibility is very limited, similar to a CD that hasn't been finalized.
James
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soschief
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27. August 2005 @ 17:22 |
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I got an ad for this: Lite-On® DVD Recorder?LVW5104, for $150 after $50 rebate. Would this have same problems as the Cyberhome and/or ILO DVDVR05? Here is link: http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?cookie%5Ftest=1&catalog_nam... It's at Radioshack, if the link doesn't work.I couldn't get it to canvert into a blue link that can just be "clinked on----have to cut and paste. Jim
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coaster1
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27. August 2005 @ 21:03 |
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What brand of DVD-R or DVD+R are you having success with. I am getting really mixed results... getting really frustrated too with recording so much then having the bad disc message... tech support will not respond... i've tried maxell (about 50/50) sony (50/50) memorex (0) and a few cheap store brands (0)
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GoofusKAC
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27. August 2005 @ 23:08 |
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What brand of DVD-R or DVD+R are you having success with. I am getting really mixed results... getting really frustrated too with recording so much then having the bad disc message... tech support will not respond... i've tried...
It doesn't matter what brand of DVDs you use in these ILO05/CyberHome1600 machines -- the baddisc errors are failures INSIDE THE MACHINES THEMSELVES. I tried 10 different brands of DVDs, and now that I'm on my 5th brand of recorder (I'll name it and recommend it soon), I can safely PROMISE you that it's the recorders that are sh*t.
Personally, the ILO DVD-Rs worked the best for me on the 05 model, ironic since they're not SUPPOSED to work at all...
D.
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GoofusKAC
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27. August 2005 @ 23:13 |
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I got an ad for this: Lite-On® DVD Recorder?LVW5104, for $150 after $50 rebate. Would this have same problems as the Cyberhome and/or ILO DVDVR05?
The ILO 05/CyberHome 1600 recorders ARE NOT MADE BY LITE-ON -- that's been mentioned here about 30 times.
Lite-On made the ILO-04 model, and if you can get ANY Lite-On DVD recorder for $100-$150 I'd say DO IT! So far my 04 has been running almost eight hours a day for almost two months with limited issues and ZERO bad discs/coasters.
ZERO COASTERS. Yes, you read correctly.
D.
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jeffreym1
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28. August 2005 @ 04:39 |
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hey guys got a question here i have the 05 model and i have had no bad disk errors yet(KNOCK ON WOOD) ,however i am having a problem that jusy started a day or two ago. completing recording and finalizing my diskwith about 15-35 min left on the disk. finalizing completes successfully, but it doen't play in any other dvd machine or my ps2, but it will play in my pc. anyone with any idea what might be causing this. thanks in advance guys....or gals (whatever the case may be) "HAVE A NICE DAY" JEFFREYM1
Diamonds are forever, and so is Ric Flair
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Dargon
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28. August 2005 @ 14:31 |
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I have a ilo DVDR05zu recorder. Was easy enough to get all setup and even recorded a few things right away to test the quality. Again, everything seemed fine. I did notice a hum when playing back recordings but I have either gotten used to it or it has gone away. So far only old dvd players have rejected burns, most new ones have played just fine. I do have a problem tho and I hope someone can fill me in on whats up. I am using Maxell DVD+RW 4.7GB disks. I can not get anymore than 6 1/2 hours recording on them. I have set the general recording to 8hours and the individual scheduled recording to 8hours and on 3 different disks I can't get more than 6 1/2 hours. I have sent an e-mail to ILO service 2 weeks ago and they still haven't responded. I have several scheduled recordings that require at least 7 1/2 hours. Pushing display shows 475 minutes of recording available, but after 6.5 hours worth and the dvd shuts off, it only shows 412 minutes of total recording and the disk claims to be full. Any help?
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Dargon
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28. August 2005 @ 14:32 |
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Oh yeah.....by not finalizing the disk even though it keeps asking me to when I eject the disk (even though its an RW disk), I have had no problems playing the disk on other people's dvd players...
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daveshome
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29. August 2005 @ 21:12 |
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jbisko
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30. August 2005 @ 10:59 |
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I found a remaining inventory of brand new ILO DVDR04 units in my area (Milwaukee). I have access to about a half dozen of them. If you are interested in still purchasing an ILO DVDR04 model because of the inherent firmware advantages, let me know and I'd be happy to make arrangements to ship one out. I could post a personal BuyItNow eBay auction for you, or we could do a Paypal transaction or some other similar arrangement. I could ship UPS ground to keep costs down. Post or e-mail me if you are interested.
-jeff
jeff@bisko.com
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GoofusKAC
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30. August 2005 @ 22:10 |
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I found a remaining inventory of brand new ILO DVDR04 units in my area (Milwaukee)
Or you could call your store, find out their store number and post it here; that way, anyone interested can contact THEIR nearest Wal-Mart(s) and have them ship from store to store without having to pay you for shipping.
Are you sure these are the regular 04 units and not the HD04s? I briefly thought I found some 04s here but they were the $267 HD models...and they're almost identical that's why I ask...
D.
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jbisko
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31. August 2005 @ 07:00 |
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No, they are definately the DVDR04 model not with the hard drive. In fact I already bought one of them and may pick up another.
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soschief
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4. September 2005 @ 17:05 |
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I've asked questions about Cyberhome,ILO, and even Lite-On, andgotten good feedback---but still am apprehensive. I understand thet the recorders mainly record to lay back on themselves, and will play back commercial DVD's, but rarely will recordings made on any of them play on stand-alone DVD players, as they are DVD, not DVR (I think!). One final question, to allay apprehension, is this: As I would like to record stuff on DVD's for saving, and sometimes "w's" to watch and erase, and also use it as a player of regular DVD's, which of the three would be best? The ILO and Cyperhome are about $100-110, and the Lite-on is $200, but Radio Shack has a $50 rebate that makes it $150. Is the extra money worth it? I was also just considering buying a new external DVD-recording drive for my PC, as they now have doubled some onf the disks, but have experienced some of the same troubles many have with the DVR's, not always being compatible with stand-alones. Once againe, feedback and opinons would be appreciated. the rebaate on the Lite-On is only for another week or two. Thanks. Jim (soschief).
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GoofusKAC
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4. September 2005 @ 21:06 |
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I have yet to have a finalized, recordable DVD that didn't play back on my two standalone DVD players -- I can even play them back on my PC's DVD drive AND make copies of them on the PC that ALSO play back everywhere. The only failures I've read about here were related to the ILO-05 model, and most of those happened DURING finalization for me, leaving several useless DVDs.
Now, I'm going to make my official DVD-recorder recommendation in the next 24 hours, so lay back and enjoy the holiday (LOL). In the meantime, I'd NOT recommend trying to use any recorder you buy as a playback device as well -- it's not an issue of quality or features, but rather overall wear and tear. These home DVD recorders are very new and untested technology, that's why there are so many websites like this one where we're all visiting to find out "what the &^%$??"...
Most of us already have DVD players at home, and if you know what you're doing, finalize your recordable-DVDs correctly, and manage to find a recorder you like (that works), you won't have a problem with playback on another device. Trust me.
Official recommendation coming soon -- and it's not a unit mentioned on this site before.
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armywife2
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17. September 2005 @ 09:11 |
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Ok, I am new to this dvd recorder stuff,,so any advice at all will be greatly appreciated!! I to have purchased the ilo dvdr05, and at first was very impressed. However, I have gotten very frustrated with it over the last 2 days. I didn't notice that it says in the manual that it uses DVD+R or +rw to record, and honestly didn't even know there was a difference in them or the -rw & -r...but was using a DVD-R to record movies that we had record onto tapes and home movies as well,,and they worked great! Even played on another dvd/vcr combo that we have. But then wanted to get a DVD-RW disk so that I could use it record tv programs to watch later,,that is when it happened!!!!!!!!! The first time I tried recording a tv program I just put the disk in and hit record,,it recorded until I hit stop, the I just walked away,,I don't know if it said "bad disk" at that time or not or if it asked if I wanted to finalize the disk,because like I said, I just stopped the recording and walked away. When I checked it about an hour or so later, the disk try was popped out and when I pushed the disk back in it said that the disk was empty. Ok, "no big deal" I thought, so I tried it again the next night,,,then things got worse! Of course, basically the same thing, but this time when I pushed stop I stayed in the room and watched,,it looked like it was reading the disk (the little red circle was in the right hand upper corner turning like it does before it asks if you want to finalize the disk) but a box kept popping up say something about the quality of the disk and of course it didn't record. So, I started reading the book and that is when I noticed it saying that it used the +rw & +r to record. NO big deal, just by some later,,but meanwhile figured I could keep recording our homemovies,,,boy was I wrong! Now no matter what kind of disk I put in, a brand new one, a recorded one or a rented movie,,,NOTHING happens,,,it just keeps telling me that there is no disk! Why does it do that? Am I doing something wrong when trying to record tv programs? Why wont' it read any disk now? Did I mess it up by using a DVD-R or DVD-RW to record and not the +rw or +r? Is there something I need to upgrade this product? And if so, where do I get it and how much is it going to cost me? Please help!!! This is driving me crazy! I know it was only $100, but still that is a lot of money when you are talking about something that you only got to use 4-5 times before it messes up!! HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
armywife2
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waltham41
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17. September 2005 @ 18:44 |
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I started out using the DVD-R discs on my first 05, and had more luck than I did trying to use +R discs. The discs were not the best quality, and also the unit was acting quirky turning itself on by itself so I took it back and exchanged it for another unit at walmart.
The second unit would not recognize any of my discs that I had recorded on the first unit, and I made 4 coasters in a row with better quality discs and it smelled really hot when it was recording so I took it back and exchanged it too.
Knock on wood, this third unit recognizes all of my previous recorded discs, doesnt seem to get overly hot and using Memorex 16x (the wife picked them up by accident and its a 40 mile round trip to exchange them) I am 4 for 4 on good recordings.
Still, none of the discs I have recorded on any of the three 05's that I have had will start from the beginning of the movie on my 1 year old HP computer with DVD player / burner. it wants to start from about 3/4 of the way through the movie (on each disc I have recorded) and you have to forward to the last chapter and let the movie start over again using the repeat feature of WMP.
BTW all discs that I have made have been finalized.
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Dargon
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17. September 2005 @ 23:15 |
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Armywife, I recommend exchanging the unit you have, it sound's like it is done for. I have a iloR05ZU unit. I recommend you trying for the ZU model rather than the MU model. The only problem I have had was that it didn't want to record a full 8 hours. After 5 weeks of waiting, ILO tech support finally told me to upgrade my firmware. (from the Ilo site). I have done so and it is working just fine now. I also recommend you only use +R/+RW discs. It seems to me that people tend to run into problems when they try both types (-r and +r) on the machine. (just my opinion)
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