Originally posted by svtstang:

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Toshiba's latest foray into the HD market may be futile, but hey, at least it gives us options.

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Originally posted by peac3:

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Now that there is no competition and all people are depending on this format - will the price for BD movies go up or down?

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Originally posted by nobrainer:

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I just hope that this Toshiba's offering will be pro consumer, as with the phone home ability that FOX has already stated that they will utilise with Blu-ray, and laws like the new "Controversial intellectual property treaty being drafted in secret" becoming the norm thanks to the MPAA/RIAA i fear that even a home movie will get your door kicked in by the FBI and your home confiscated and yourself locked behind bars simply because you wanted to play a film or an mp3 on another bit of your equipment.

And the phone home ability of Blu-ray is.............. thanks MPAA/RIAA for this proposed law, you really do care about letting the consumers have choice with their own media, its the YOU ARE GUILTY measure me thinks, i think i really will just stick with DVD and if Toshiba can offer something between the two formats without tracking our every move i can see it being the next format of media players. The MPAA should have never been allowed to dictate to us all hardware restrictions but this is the world of capitalism, and all we can do is boycott anti-consumer.

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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So everyone should boycott BR because they are trying (and failing) to create a net enabled DRM for film?

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Originally posted by svtstang:

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Why do threads like this always end up it total conflict? The bottom line is, more options for the consumer = lower prices for everything. I could spend an hour writing how I feel about BD+ and the like, but in all honesty, why? Been there, done that....100 times over. Toshiba's latest foray into the HD market may be futile, but hey, at least it gives us options. Until all this fuss is resolved, I will happily use my upscaling dvd player :)

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People seem to forget that the moment you pay for an item, you own it, and they have no right to police you when using your purchased goods

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Originally posted by error5:

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Originally posted by svtstang:

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Toshiba's latest foray into the HD market may be futile, but hey, at least it gives us options.

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Just wondering here. When DVD was the only disc-based format available, were people complaining that they didn't have options?

Originally posted by peac3:

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Now that there is no competition and all people are depending on this format - will the price for BD movies go up or down?

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Similar question here. When DVD was the only option and had no competition - did prices on discs and players go up - or did they go down?

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Originally posted by ematrix:

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Let's go to the simplest of all DRM, which is Regional Coding, which is part of their price fixing control scheme.

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Originally posted by ematrix:

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Let's go to the simplest of all DRM, which is Regional Coding, which is part of their price fixing control scheme.

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Here's a website with info on region-free BluRay discs:

http://bluray.liesinc.net/

It's useful info if you're in the US and want to import from the EU or Asia, or if you're from the EU or Asia and you want to import from ther US. Notice that practically all Warner releases are region-free.

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Originally posted by blueroad:

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lol man seriously who would buy warners garbage..(wanted 2 use other word)

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If these players can somehow add an upscaling engine more powerful then the ones in Toshiba's current HD DVD player lineup, the quality should be outstanding and worth looking into.

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Originally posted by ematrix:

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the inclusion of Cell processors wasn't contemplated at that time.

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Originally posted by juankerr:

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Actually, the SpursEngine in the laptops used in the youtube video is based on the Cell processor. It's a scaled down Cell with 4 SPE's instead of 8.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpursEngine

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Originally posted by dblbogey7:

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I guess a Cell-based system could do it but considering the fact that your source is a regular DVD with MPEG2 compression I have my doubts, so to speak.

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Converting DVD into HD DVD

Nestares says that the algorithm is written to scale to the number of cores that it runs on: the more cores available, the more the processing gets divided up. "Different regions [of the video] are assigned to different cores," says Nestares. Using this method, it would take about 150 cores to convert DVD video into HD DVD in real time, he says.

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Originally posted by SDF_GR:

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Toshiba is on the way to another failure.
They failed with a media as powerful as BD, with players cheaper than DVD's,movies cheap as the DVD's.

Now that the BD hardware is dropping, the FULL HDTV's dropping too, BD having P2.0 and most of the staff that HD-DVD had and BD being still unlocked.....They expect that with an inferior media/format than HD-DVD and more expensive , to beat BD? wtf?

+ HD-DVD was supported by universal, paramount, MS/360. who TF will support this format??

and at the bottom of this....
who will trust them now??? more than one million people saw there money fly away when WB said BD only, are they gonna trust them again?

It looks like a Titan size failure.

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Originally posted by atomicxl:

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Well, i'm assuming the video quality looks like what your typical HD torrent looks like: Worse than a Blu-Ray, better than upscaled DVD. I'm also assuming it'll do upscaling thats at least as good as the PS3. I think the players should also play back a wide variety of media formats so that its got value beyond just purchased discs. I think this format only has a chance if it can compete successfully in two ways:

1) Price. It needs to be cheap. I think $200 would even be too much. They basically need to be selling for clearout HD-DVD Player prices of like $99.99-149.99. I think that over $200 will have people just putting the money aside for a Blu-Ray player. Not only that, but the media needs to be cheap. If the DVD sells for $14.99, this needs to be like $17.99 max.

2) Studio support is critical. If none of the big companies are putting out content its pointless to own one.

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Originally posted by nopcbs:

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Reality check...this is for existing DVD's. Works with everything Joe Consumer already owns. Don't need to replace any disks. Don't need to bribe any studios to drop the competing format. Don't need to pay ridiculous Blu ray disk prices or replace DVD's you already have.

Can you say "soiled panties over at Sony" IF it is nearly as good as Toshiba says.

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Well, i'm assuming the video quality looks like what your typical HD torrent looks like: Worse than a Blu-Ray, better than upscaled DVD. I'm also assuming it'll do upscaling thats at least as good as the PS3. I think the players should also play back a wide variety of media formats so that its got value beyond just purchased discs. I think this format only has a chance if it can compete successfully in two ways:

1) Price. It needs to be cheap. I think $200 would even be too much. They basically need to be selling for clearout HD-DVD Player prices of like $99.99-149.99. I think that over $200 will have people just putting the money aside for a Blu-Ray player. Not only that, but the media needs to be cheap. If the DVD sells for $14.99, this needs to be like $17.99 max.

2) Studio support is critical. If none of the big companies are putting out content its pointless to own one.

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Toshiba explained to the assembled press at today's event that their technology would "add resolution", and "fill in the gaps", providing stronger colours and clarity where it was missing. They showed two TVs both displaying the same content, one at standard definition, and one using their upscaling device, and whilst the latter did look more impressive, it would pale in comparison if shown next to a true HD source. Which Toshiba obviously didn't do, as they're no longer endorsing HD DVD and will never support Blu-ray.

After receiving some far from publishable questions and insults from the assembled journalists ("fanciable nonsense" was one of the kinder remarks from a journalist during the Q&A session), the representatives, including Emily Shirley, Head of Product Marketing at Toshiba Europe were obviously getting irate.

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Originally posted by eatsushi:

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Toshiba's SRT Demo'ed In London: Described As "FANCIABLE NONSENSE"

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Toshiba explained to the assembled press at today's event that their technology would "add resolution", and "fill in the gaps", providing stronger colours and clarity where it was missing. They showed two TVs both displaying the same content, one at standard definition, and one using their upscaling device, and whilst the latter did look more impressive, it would pale in comparison if shown next to a true HD source. Which Toshiba obviously didn't do, as they're no longer endorsing HD DVD and will never support Blu-ray.

After receiving some far from publishable questions and insults from the assembled journalists ("fanciable nonsense" was one of the kinder remarks from a journalist during the Q&A session), the representatives, including Emily Shirley, Head of Product Marketing at Toshiba Europe were obviously getting irate.

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Originally posted by eatsushi:

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Toshiba's SRT Demo'ed In London: Described As "FANCIABLE NONSENSE"

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After receiving some far from publishable questions and insults from the assembled journalists ("fanciable nonsense" was one of the kinder remarks from a journalist during the Q&A session), the representatives, including Emily Shirley, Head of Product Marketing at Toshiba Europe were obviously getting irate.

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