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GameSpy82
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2. August 2007 @ 00:03 |
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Ok, so I have a 7.94GB ISO Image File of God Of War 2 saved to my Hard-Drive already, but the thing is that I only have 4.7GB Blank DVD Rom Discs. So I sit here and ask myself, "Why do they make Dual-Layer DVD Rom Discs that have a Larger Capacity to hold data due to the Double-Layer Technology, when it would just be much simpler to Create a certain type of ISO Image Layering and File-Cutting Software that would cut any type of ISO image file down into increments of any type of percentage so that any part of the data contained in the ISO Image file itself could be incremented by the user of that file depending on his or hers needs, so that the data could then be transferred onto not one Dual-Layer Disc of a higher capacity, but just One Single Normal 4.7GB Disc, the very same as the certain software types that cut DVD File Types by certain increments due to their particular capabilities? Is there any such Software that can Cut or Split an ISO Image File of any File-Size by any chance already invented or created by anyone perhaps? I just believe that it would be more convenient for many to save onto 2 smaller discs in the case that they either 1.-Don't want to do what was first stated in this forum by person #1 Stang, which is very strenous and tedious by all means, 2.-The User would like to create a 2-Disc Game, or 3.-For the convenience it would bring to a game-user by not having to rummage all over the place trying to find the almighty Dual-Layer Discs when they can't be found in your particular area at all and for much higher prices than regualr DVD-Rom's. Does anyone know of such ISO Image Cutting or ISO Image File Splitting Software at all by any chance that could help me with this problem? Because I can't seem to find any Dual Layer Discs for sale in my area at all.
~AK~
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2. August 2007 @ 08:58 |
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It's called rebuilding an iso or also known as ripping, and people have been doing it for many years. When the game came ouyt people found ways to shrink it to fit a single layer DVD.
Just do a search on the game title and i am sure you can find instruction here in the forums. A tool used for this is called Gnie Expert.
If your looking to split images and fit them on several single layer DVD's then all i can say is, good luck with all that. Because it is not going to happen. Shrinking them you are just taking out parts that are not needed like bonus video's and such. But the game and it's structure stay in tact the way it has to be.
And with online stores pretty much anybody can get DVD9 discs these days. Yes they cost a bit more but what would you expect when they hold twice as much information.
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GameSpy82
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4. August 2007 @ 01:13 |
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Yes, this much I already know about the ripping and ripping for years, for I too have been ripping for years and dealing with ISO images and image files etc as well. And I hear that Apache 3 works well with Re-Building ISO Image Files. Although I have not used it. That and also Sony's CD/DVD Gen & IML2ISO etc.
I just never knew about Shrinking Down Larger DVD9 GB DVD Game Discs over the size of 8GB etc in order to fit them onto the 4.7GB DVD5 Rom Discs, but I have used DVD Shrink to desecrate the holy crap out of a few movies such as TROY, which is a 3 hour movie or so, onto a 2 hr single 4.7GB DVD+R. Turned out just like the original with Dvd Shrink even after compression and everything else involved.
Anyhow, I've searched the Game Title of God Of War 2, although instead of going through a whole re-building process I'd like to try and shrink the sucker down in size and cap-size it with this GNIE Expert V. 1.5 (The new version with the bugs worked out), although I've been having a hard time finding it around here on the site with an adequate working download for some reason. For I can't seem to use www.rapidshare.com because it does't seem to work properly, when I use rapid-share links to download the software programs, such as: "paddy's" links he has in his post they come up asking for user-name and password, and I join, and I get no e-mail for confirmation to join the place at all. I have no idea what's exactly up with all of that. But it sure seems like a hassle to me just to download some software to use anyway.
So I'm wondering, if you perhaps know a link to the GNIE Expert V. 1.5 that will actually work properly and correctly for a download of the software Steimy by any chance tha doesn't involve that of rapid-share and allucard etc, because those do not seem to work and are quite rather mis guiding and discouraging so it seems?
And yes, I know that DVD9 Discs (Dual-Layer) Discs cost more money, but they do hold twice as much information than regualr DVD5 Discs, which is good for 7.9GB-8.5GB Games of any sort, for most DVD9 Discs are 8.5GB in capacity and data-size. And as long as you have a PS2 with a MatriX Infinity Mod-Chip* and DVD9 Dual-Layer Discs, you can burn the ISO Image Files after burning them with ImgBurn (The alternate to DVD Decrypter by LIGHTNING UK) and play just about any Over-Sized PS2 Game. The MatriX Mod-Chip seems to work Fantastic for all games in my personal opinion. Loads Games Fast Too it seems. And with a Slim Fix+V3 it helps to keep your system cool and running smoothe as ever.
But yes, if you could help me with a good-working download link to the GNIE Expert V. 1.5 (preferrably), or any other older versions of the GNIE Expert Software, I would very much appreciate it Steimy. Thanks so much for your hard efforts and for your time Steimy.
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4. August 2007 @ 01:51 |
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gnies tool is no good for this game,all that tool does is remove any false lba
and apache is just used for extracting the games files so you can gain access to the files you need
you need gnies expert 2 tool
it is possible to rip this game onto 2 dvd-5,cant quite remember how,my memory has shot it
personally i rippped it to a single dvd-5 disk,but that was before the 2 disk method was found
i just checked my rls, its still all over the net :)
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GameSpy82
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4. August 2007 @ 02:23 |
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I do believe that DVD Decrypter & ImgBurn Softwares really could use a good nice tune-up if you ask me, by adding the last touch-up feature including a different type of style which involves not only just being able to create a whole entire ISO Image File from a DVD Rom Disc, but another feature as well which would enable you to also limit your partitions to Image-type portions such as enabling you to select the sectors from the Disc you wish to create to ISO File, thus giving you a nice and practical ability to save the certain parts of any certain type of ISO Image to File for burning, which has nothing to do with shrinking or compression by any means, just involving splitting/splicing/and cutting methods. A ISo Image File should be like a regular picture with writing on it, in real life it's able to be cut or torn in half, so if those 2 Softwares had that capability, there would be no need for DL Discs again, and there would also be no need for putting data on 2 different DVD5 discs either at all. Just a single regular DVD5 is all that one would need really, which you can find virtually anywhere at all. Sounds quite simple doesn't it? Yes, it sounds that way, but the involvement of creation when it comes to software technology is something else in it general entirety.
As to any constellation, I shall keep searching, I may just find something that can help me in this endeavor somewhere around here on the great inter-web perhaps. If not though, I'll be awaiting new features added to some sort of software one of these days. If I can't find anything on the net though, suppose I'll just order some online DVD9 Discs pretty much. I have a MAtrix Infinity mod chip, so I know it'll work on a DVD9 Disc with that anyhow. Seems much simpler anyway doesn't it? But you know me, I like to think about what could be, and not what is. ;)
Thanks for your response Hursty, it is much appreciated.
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GameSpy82
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4. August 2007 @ 02:49 |
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I know what I'd really just LOVE to see. Wanna know what it is? I wanna see DVD Decrypter & ImgBurn not only with new splitting/cutting/ & new splicing methods, but also with new Compression and Shrinking features as well all in one software. Well see, let's take ImgBurn for example, we add the ability to tear an ISO Image file anywhere we want by splitting it into parts through our own user-friendly selected sector layers, any sector area we want, more advanced that way, then say we cut an 8GB ISO image File into 2 parts with the new added tool to ImgBurn, which enables us then, with new Compression Optimization and Shrink tools added, to be able to then not only Compress, but to also shrink both of those portions of the ISO Image file down more easily due to their smaller sizes because they've been reflected and cut into halves, so that it is quicker to Shrink the two parts down that have been split into two halves, and then after that joining the 2 ISo Image Files that have been split/compressed/and shrunk back together with a new re-add re-join ISO Image add feature through the interface options menu. Even without a re-joining option, either way, you'd still then be able to put a 8GB and MUCH larger GB Disc onto a single DVD5 Disc by all means, wiping out the need for creation of DVD9 for all of eternity. Why not make our software simply more powerful than our disc-creators? hehehe. It's nice though isn't it? How we spend all of this time making things hard on ourselves, only to make things much easier on ourselves in the very end? hehehe I like to call that "Thriving to adapt" But what do I know anyway. lol But yes, either way, with the ability to cut/compress/and shrink added to the already powerful ISO Image burning software, you have a Real MONSTER right there, with the capabilities to do all things pretty much with a single software, now that's what I call BAD-BOY SoftWare!!!! Cut, automatically compress to make the values of the sectors more free to shrink, then shrink automatically taking out all un-needed and un-necessary dummy this and dummy that, blah blah junk, and all bonus junk as well, to make yur item run smoothe as it ever was. Clean as a new shiny coach's silver whistle ;)
Now wouldn't that be nice?
~AK~
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4. August 2007 @ 03:27 |
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would be kinda tricky on some dvd-9 ps2 titles,some of them use data from the 2nd layer at an early stage of the game,so you could be playing the game in the early stages,and then find the game crashes,as there is no second layer for the game to continue
I think rogue galaxy was like this,the game was split onto 2 dvd...but there were certain parts of the game that would cause it to crash when selected
the game used a teleportor,thus was switching back and forth to the first layer
might be wrong,and it might have been sorted,cause like i say,my memory is not what it used to be,,,hehehe
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5. August 2007 @ 01:02 |
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Obviously games are a bit more complex than movies. Movies can be re-encoded to lesser quality relatively easily and extra content such as foreign-language soundtracks can be removed. With games, some of the data, like for example, the actual game engine cannot be reasonably compressed nor can certain portions of it be removed without rendering the game inoperable. Also as hursty alluded to, unlike video or sound you cannot simply arbitrarily split/splice games up as they are composed several parts that depend on each other and are required to be at a specific location... I'm sure someone else can give you a more technical answer, but you get the idea.
This is a HORRIBLE analogy but let's say you have a TINY box, you can scrunch up a piece of paper so that it fits in it, and yet you can take it out of the box, straighten it out and have it readable. On the other hand with a hamburger or a watermelon, you scrunch it up to fit in the tiny box, you fuck it up. In this case, the paper is analogous to a movie or audio file, while the hamburger/watermelon to a game.
Better yet, think of this of it in this way: If you have sex with a 19 year old its but if its a 17 year old you will go to jail in some states. In Alabama 13 is ok but only under certain circumstances.
On second thought, this is probably a better way to think of it: Two eleven year olds doesn't make a 22 year old woman.
In any case, I'm not saying it's impossible to create software that does what DVD Shrink does movies, for games, but for reasons previously mentioned it is much more difficult to accomplish. :)
So really as you already know, your two options are
1) Rebuild the game to fit on a standard DVD5 disc (not difficult as you say, just time consuming, but hey you probably didn't pay for the game did you?)
2) Buy a dual-layer disc (not that expensive, $5-$10 bux for a 5-pack and inevitably you will come across other DVD9 games)
And it appears you are too lazy to do #1 and too cheap for #2. So I guess you're out of luck, huh :P
oh, btw, latest version of Gnie's ExPERT Tool is v2 and can be found here: http://files.filefront.com/xpertrar/;6408626;/fileinfo.html (password: xpert2xmas)
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5. August 2007 @ 01:27 |
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Originally posted by GameSpy82:
...we add the ability to tear an ISO Image file anywhere we want by splitting it into parts through our own user-friendly selected sector layers, any sector area we want, more advanced that way, then say we cut an 8GB ISO image File into 2 parts with the new added tool to ImgBurn, which enables us then, with new Compression Optimization and Shrink tools added, to be able to then not only Compress, but to also shrink both of those portions of the ISO Image file down more easily due to their smaller sizes because they've been reflected and cut into halves, so that it is quicker to Shrink the two parts down that have been split into two halves,... Cut, automatically compress to make the values of the sectors more free to shrink, then shrink automatically taking out all un-needed and un-necessary dummy this and dummy that, blah blah junk, and all bonus junk as well, to make yur item run smoothe as it ever was. Clean as a new shiny coach's silver whistle ;)
For some reason I get the feeling you don't know what the hell you are talking about or you are just deluded enough into thinking you do. Or simply you are just naive/ignorant.
Also jesus christ you are wordy--quite a bit of rambling going on, it would be easier to to comprehend (not to mention easier to read) if you wrote in a more succinct fashion.
Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to attack you, but go ahead flame me back if it makes you feel better :P
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