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Reason NOT to look forward to a hack
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ziggi_83
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23. September 2007 @ 06:36 |
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I ,and im sure there are many others, hope there will never be a hack for the PS3 and if there will be the user will get banned from PSn, while it would be great to have free games saving ££ or $$ there are major -ves.
Reasons?
1- PS3 will almost certainly know that your playing a copy, and will ban you from PSN, so would you really want a ps3 without online play?
2- When backups are available people find ways to put cheats in the backup and cheat online f***ing up the whole of the psn and online play
3- Game developers will not make enough money and stop producing our favourite games because of cheap people
4- Like Jhlfit said in a different thread, the cost of backups modding etc is very expensive so your better off having a clean ps3 and original games.
Who agrees and disagrees and why.
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ziggi_83
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23. September 2007 @ 06:39 |
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double post
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23. September 2007 @ 09:59 |
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You're kinda right.
Still, having modded less-secured consoles (Wii,PS2) can be very good as these have many good games and are easy to mod + you won't get banned.
I have a modded Crystal Chip PS2 SLE and it rocks. Plays every game, online or offline. Does everything i want it to.
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StilDeath
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23. September 2007 @ 11:34 |
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I like hacked boxs shows what they can really do and normally they wont let u see that yay for hacks!and im sure theyll keep making games no matter what
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23. September 2007 @ 16:24 |
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Originally posted by StilDeath:
I like hacked boxs shows what they can really do and normally they wont let u see that yay for hacks!and im sure theyll keep making games no matter what
Can you say dreamcast?
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D3DAiM
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23. September 2007 @ 16:57 |
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Take your propaganda with you and GTFO.
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23. September 2007 @ 17:03 |
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DC didn't take a lot of effort though ;) No chip, No CFW, No flashing... Just burn the damn game and play, lol. Consoles that are harder to crack, but are still crackable to those willing to go through the effort, have a better chance to succeed.
There will be people that don't know about cracking the console that buy the games.
There will people that know about cracking the console but are too lazy/scared to crack it that they won't bother. (I know many people like this)
Then there are the people that know about it and do it.
I personally feel that in the video game industry the console that wins the war is the console that is cracked. Right now that would be 360 and Wii... hence the reason PS3 is last in sales.
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NinReznor
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23. September 2007 @ 18:09 |
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Originally posted by Joshewah:
I personally feel that in the video game industry the console that wins the war is the console that is cracked. Right now that would be 360 and Wii... hence the reason PS3 is last in sales.
im sure game developers would want to make money rather then lose it to a hacked console and torrent downloads of there games, which makes me more certain in the end that the more secure system will come out on top in developers eyes, less so to the consumers.
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23. September 2007 @ 19:32 |
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Originally posted by NinReznor:
Originally posted by Joshewah:
I personally feel that in the video game industry the console that wins the war is the console that is cracked. Right now that would be 360 and Wii... hence the reason PS3 is last in sales.
im sure game developers would want to make money rather then lose it to a hacked console and torrent downloads of there games, which makes me more certain in the end that the more secure system will come out on top in developers eyes, less so to the consumers.
They'll still make money from the people that buy the games and don't run cracked copies. Most of the people that run cracked games wouldn't have bought the game regardless if their system is cracked or not.
So to that person (the one with the cracked system) the developers aren't losing money, because if his system wasn't cracked he wouldn't buy their game and if does have a cracked system he still won't buy it... You know what I mean right?
No matter what, that one person isn't buying game regardless of a cracked system or not.
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ooZEROoo
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23. September 2007 @ 20:31 |
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I'm looking forward to a hack. I'm not worried so much as to playing backups, but I'm looking forward to some good homebrew. Linux doesn't cut it. You are right though, a hack will lead to all of those cheating f***s that mod a backup and go online with it(look at Socom for instance). If PSN is moderated like Sony claims then we shouldn't have that problem. I'm not sure if the network will be able to tell if you are using a backup. I have several ps2 backups that I can get online with and nothing happens to me(with the exception of socom 3 or socom ca). Only time will tell. I will mod my cosole if a good hack does appear, but that is even far fetched. Many smart people have failed countless times over the course of this past year.
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NinReznor
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23. September 2007 @ 21:35 |
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Originally posted by Joshewah:
Originally posted by NinReznor:
Originally posted by Joshewah:
I personally feel that in the video game industry the console that wins the war is the console that is cracked. Right now that would be 360 and Wii... hence the reason PS3 is last in sales.
im sure game developers would want to make money rather then lose it to a hacked console and torrent downloads of there games, which makes me more certain in the end that the more secure system will come out on top in developers eyes, less so to the consumers.
They'll still make money from the people that buy the games and don't run cracked copies. Most of the people that run cracked games wouldn't have bought the game regardless if their system is cracked or not.
So to that person (the one with the cracked system) the developers aren't losing money, because if his system wasn't cracked he wouldn't buy their game and if does have a cracked system he still won't buy it... You know what I mean right?
No matter what, that one person isn't buying game regardless of a cracked system or not.
but if the system can't be cracked in the first place, then the person would have no option other then to buy the game they want to play, if i didn't have or know about swap magic or mod chips i would of went out and bought the game.
i don't think the ps3 will be cracked for a long time to come and really i would only want a mod that could run ps2 backups and homebrew applications, ps3 backups in my opinion would be too expensive (blu ray burner and discs) and i wouldnt see a return on my investment for a long while, or until the disc price comes down.
As for Linux i don't think sony would have put an open source OS, thats well known for being the best platform to exploit/hack on their system without covering system security, taping up their anus from fear of getting fucked in layman's terms! ;)
but then again theres always a bigger dick out there...
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23. September 2007 @ 21:56 |
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Originally posted by NinReznor:
Originally posted by Joshewah:
Originally posted by NinReznor:
Originally posted by Joshewah:
I personally feel that in the video game industry the console that wins the war is the console that is cracked. Right now that would be 360 and Wii... hence the reason PS3 is last in sales.
im sure game developers would want to make money rather then lose it to a hacked console and torrent downloads of there games, which makes me more certain in the end that the more secure system will come out on top in developers eyes, less so to the consumers.
They'll still make money from the people that buy the games and don't run cracked copies. Most of the people that run cracked games wouldn't have bought the game regardless if their system is cracked or not.
So to that person (the one with the cracked system) the developers aren't losing money, because if his system wasn't cracked he wouldn't buy their game and if does have a cracked system he still won't buy it... You know what I mean right?
No matter what, that one person isn't buying game regardless of a cracked system or not.
but if the system can't be cracked in the first place, then the person would have no option other then to buy the game they want to play, if i didn't have or know about swap magic or mod chips i would of went out and bought the game.
i don't think the ps3 will be cracked for a long time to come and really i would only want a mod that could run ps2 backups and homebrew applications, ps3 backups in my opinion would be too expensive (blu ray burner and discs) and i wouldnt see a return on my investment for a long while, or until the disc price comes down.
As for Linux i don't think sony would have put an open source OS, thats well known for being the best platform to exploit/hack on their system without covering system security, taping up their anus from fear of getting fucked in layman's terms! ;)
but then again theres always a bigger dick out there...
No. Thats just it. Some people will not buy a game no matter what... Not matter what they will not buy a game. Now if a cracked version happens to land in their lap then they will play... but either way they are not paying money.
Some people will not play a game till they can get it dirt cheap buying it off of a friend or a used games store (where the devs see no money from the person buying used). If these same people play a copied version its just the same as if they didn't buy it.
Don't you get it? The people playing copied games wouldn't have bought those games in the first place so no sales were lost anyway cause they wouldn't have bought it, don't you see? They wouldn't be playing the game at all if they couldn't play a copied version.
Its a simple concept but I feel like I'm having trouble explaining it.
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ziggi_83
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23. September 2007 @ 22:49 |
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Originally posted by D3DAiM:
Take your propaganda with you and GTFO.
if thats aimed at me i think you mean "GTFO and take your propaganda with you". I dont need a 5 year old tellling me what to do, YOU GTFO your opinion aint wanted you f***er
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ziggi_83
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24. September 2007 @ 01:08 |
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Originally posted by ooZEROoo:
I'm looking forward to a hack. I'm not worried so much as to playing backups, but I'm looking forward to some good homebrew. Linux doesn't cut it. You are right though, a hack will lead to all of those cheating f***s that mod a backup and go online with it(look at Socom for instance). If PSN is moderated like Sony claims then we shouldn't have that problem. I'm not sure if the network will be able to tell if you are using a backup. I have several ps2 backups that I can get online with and nothing happens to me(with the exception of socom 3 or socom ca). Only time will tell. I will mod my cosole if a good hack does appear, but that is even far fetched. Many smart people have failed countless times over the course of this past year.
Yeah i see what you mean but isnt the PSn for ps3 different to ps2- like it will have different security etc..The hack wont be as bad if people cant find a way to put cheats in games for online play i guess- but thats my main concern.
>Josewah
Yeah i get your point, but that wont always be the case
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Laxington
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25. September 2007 @ 00:04 |
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No Hack or ModChip means your console will die sooner or later!!! You want an example? Here you go: Nintendo Gamecube!
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26. September 2007 @ 11:32 |
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Originally posted by Laxington:
No Hack or ModChip means your console will die sooner or later!!! You want an example? Here you go: Nintendo Gamecube!
NGC has chips and hacks. Take a look in the NGC forum.
...or did you mean that those solutions arrived too late in the NGC scene?
EDIT: Lack of 3rd party support is what killed the GC in my opinion.
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Laxington
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26. September 2007 @ 12:59 |
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@joshiwah: sorry, yes i did mean that the chip came too late. and the lack of 3rd pary support was because of the late chip, let me give you an example:
1. nintendo is no 1 on the console market with NES and SNES
2. games are very expensive
3. sony brings psx onto the market
4. you can get a modchip and copy teh games
5. every real gamer and pc enthusiast buys sony because you can backup games
6. they sell millions of consoles
7. therefor 3rd party produces more and more games for sony
sorry for my bad english, i hope you understand what i mean or try to explain.
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Laxington
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26. September 2007 @ 13:05 |
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and i know many people who bought nintendo wii only after they broght the modchip. if the modchip wouldnt have been released - the sure wouldnt have bought the wii.
and besides that: we all know that nintendo was almost dying (because of the gamecube) they did such a great work on securing it (it was uncrackable) and that almost killed thems. now they have learned of their mistakes and the wii was much faster to hack.
hey come on, i dont think that people are that stupid to think that any hacking group could have cracked the gamecube or the wii if they havent had hints from nintendo itself. (this is my opinion i dont intend on insulting nintendo or someone else)
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StilDeath
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26. September 2007 @ 19:12 |
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nothings "uncrackable" time cracks all if it can be secured it can be taken apart just need the right minds n time, props go to the ppl that do it, for backing up games or homebrew or just cool tweeks it lets u take ur console one step further
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27. September 2007 @ 07:54 |
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Originally posted by Laxington:
@joshiwah: sorry, yes i did mean that the chip came too late. and the lack of 3rd pary support was because of the late chip, let me give you an example:
1. nintendo is no 1 on the console market with NES and SNES
2. games are very expensive
3. sony brings psx onto the market
4. you can get a modchip and copy teh games
5. every real gamer and pc enthusiast buys sony because you can backup games
6. they sell millions of consoles
7. therefor 3rd party produces more and more games for sony
sorry for my bad english, i hope you understand what i mean or try to explain.
I understand completely, and if you read my first few posts I said nearly the same thing. We're on the same page. :D
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D3DAiM
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27. September 2007 @ 10:43 |
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Originally posted by ziggi_83:
Originally posted by D3DAiM:
Take your propaganda with you and GTFO.
if thats aimed at me i think you mean "GTFO and take your propaganda with you". I dont need a 5 year old tellling me what to do, YOU GTFO your opinion aint wanted you f***er
I considered your sentence structure, but doesn't sound as direct.
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ziggi_83
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27. September 2007 @ 13:21 |
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Well thats too bad
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