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Difference between Imgburn & Decrypter
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lauzzie
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12. October 2007 @ 21:26 |
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Can someone tell me if there is any difference between Imgburn & Decrypter and which one I should be using along with DVD Shrink for ripping and burning from original to disc. Thanks in advance.
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PacMan777
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12. October 2007 @ 21:40 |
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DVD Decrypter is a combination program. It rips and burns. ImgBurn is the updated burning software from DVD Decrypter, by the same author and much improved. Unless the Shrink exe file is changed or the call for ImgBurn changed, Shrink won't directly support ImgBurn. If a burner isn't supported, files need to be saved to the HD and burned from there. Nero, DVD Decrypter, and Copy2DVD are the original supported burners for Shrink. Shrink can be modified to support ImgBurn.
DVD Decrypter used by itself as a ripper is obsolete. It hasn't been updated in the longest and we've gotten a lot of new copy protections for decryption software to cope with. For a manual ripper similar to DVD Decrypter, get the free DVDFab HD Decrypter from DVDIdle. It's updated regularly, as needed.
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14. October 2007 @ 12:38 |
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14. October 2007 @ 12:49 |
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PacMan777
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14. October 2007 @ 13:54 |
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Just so the novices here will know, the zip file for DVD Shrink with the ImgBurn isn't the installation files. It contains the DVD Shrink exe file that needs to replace the original in the DVD Shrink program folder. With DVD Shrink installed, copy and paste the DVD Shrink exe file from the zip into the DVD Shrink program folder, C:\Program Files\DVD Shrink
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21. October 2007 @ 21:24 |
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21. October 2007 @ 23:16 |
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Thanks Pacman,
I can re-write the Read_Me_First.txt file or rename some of the folders if that would help. It's still somewhat confusing.
The way I have it set to work now is like this:
1. Install ImgBurn.
The Read Me First .txt instructs to download and install ImgBurn before proceeding. It won't work right unless this is done first.
2. Download the DVD_Shrink_3_2_b_w_IB zip folder.
3. Extract..
4. Open..
5. Three items appear:
6. Got Shrink?
If a person does not have Shrink installed, they may need to run the DVD Shrink 3.2.exe next and get regular Shrink installed. You can skip this step if you have it already.
I've tried installing Shrink with ImgBurn without having regular Shrink installed first and it seems to work. If it doesn't, install the regular Shrink first and then install the one with the ImgBurn feature in the same directory as the original. It will overwrite it, adding the new feature.
7. Install Shrink with ImgBurn.
Open the DVD_Shrink_w ImgBurn Feature folder and run the .exe found inside. That will add the "Burn with ImgBurn" feature.
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22. October 2007 @ 08:09 |
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Another excellent write-up Frank. Thanks again for keeping this version of this program alive.
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PacMan777
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22. October 2007 @ 19:25 |
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Fasfrank
You're welcome.
Installing the modified exe file for Shrink, into the DVD Shrink Programs folder is just a matter of housekeeping. Plus it's very easy to simply copy and paste into the C:\Program Files\DVD Shrink folder. The alternative is to extract the DVDShrink.exe to the desktop and use the program from there or place it in a directory and create a shortcut. If Shrink is already installed, you still have that version with the desktop shortcut. Also, I was using a program that calls on DVD Shrink, RI4M, and it has the default location preset. I know how to reset it, but that's more of a learning curve for novices. Unless there's a reason, I usually leave programs set to their default locations. Also, if anyone cares to look the DVD Shrink Help files still work. A lot of questions could be answered if the Help option was clicked. Those come from the files installed in the Programs Files and most of the links are still good. The 3.2 exe if installed alone will call for help files, but if the needed files aren't in the default location, it's a lost function. Still images for use in DVD Shrink are also located in the files. That's another reason to keep the DVD Shrink program files located in the default folder and copy in the replacement exe. Another perc is the shortcut will already be set. I simply find it easier and simplest to copy and paste as mentioned.
Here's how I would write and order the Installation and ReadMe first text to maintain full functionality. I'll put the suggestions in red and my comments in black. I'd have a Read Me text with the first five steps along with the zip file. I suspect the person getting the download would follow the first 4 steps automatically, but just in case. If having opened the zip file, the user has already done 1-4. No need to tell them if they've already done it. This is a common flaw I see in a lot of ReadMe First texts. We have to remember, an archived text file isn't usually read until it is unpacked. Looks a bit like the question, which came first, the chicken or the egg. This one is a bit easier to figure out. ;)
Instructions text file should accompany zip file, not be part of it.
Instructions, ReadMe First.
Do all steps in order given for best results.
1. Download the DVD_Shrink_3_2_b_w_IB zip folder.
2. Extract..
3. Open..
4. Three items appear:
5. Open the ReadMe First file
Just a note here: The read me first text should start with the steps following. The previous steps would be redundant because the archived Readme text is included in the zip file.
ReadMe First Text.
Do all steps in order given for best results.
1. Install latest version of ImgBurn, if not already installed.
2. Install DVD Shrink 3.2.0.15 (installation program) if not already installed.
3. Copy and paste the DVD Shrink 3.2_w_IB exe file into the DVD Shrink Programs folder, C:\Program Files\DVD Shrink .
(With only the modified Shrink exe from the zip file loaded the program will work, but some functions are lost. Use of stored Still Images and the Help files rely on installation files in Program Files.)
4. Click DVD Shrink shortcut on Desktop to open DVD Shrink.
5. Open a DVD, Disc Image, or Files and select Backup.
6. Select Target Device,
7. Under Select backup target:, in the dropdown window select Create ISO Image file:, ISO Image File and burn with ImgBurn .
8. You're now ready to use DVD Shrink with support for ImgBurn.
(Remember to set output drive and and burn speed in ImgBurn.)
As for the installation of programs. I don't see how they would malfunction as long as all the parts are installed. The modified Shrink_w_IB exe is looking for the ImgBurn exe at C:\Program Files\ImgBurn. It's looking there irregardless. It just wouldn't have anything to use if ImgBurn wasn't already installed. As soon as ImgBurn is present, it would execute from DVD Shrink_w_IB. Without the DVD Shrink being previously installed, the Shrink_w_IB would need a location to be saved to and if not the Desktop, a shortcut created. As mentioned having the DVD Shrink already installed in Program Files has that covered, plus maintains full function of the program. If you notice, there's a bit of method to my madness. LOL
Just another note. If a person wanted to, they could create a folder (name it DVD Shrink Old) and drag the original DVD Shrink exe folder into it. That's only needed if a person thinks they might want to change back to the original Decrypter supported program. Then paste the DVD Shrink_w_IB exe into the DVD Shrink folder with the other files. The current shortcut is going to look at the location C:\Program Files\DVD Shrink.
The only difference I've been able to see is that the newer modified Shrink_w_IB looks for ImgBurn exe in the ImgBurn folder instead of DVD Decrypter exe in the DVD Decrypter folder. As we know, the way to work around that before was to do some file swapping and renaming between those locations (LOCOENG mentioned that earlier). Other than that, the modified exe file works like the original Shrink 3.2 when installed in the original Shrink folder with the program files.
Edit: Excuse the edits. Poor spelling and puntuation. I wanted to clean it up to make it a bit more clear. Fasfrank, if anything looks useful, go ahead and use it. I noted the differences with the modified Shrink_w_IB and the original. There is a difference. You'll only see it though if the original 3.2 isn't installed.
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22. October 2007 @ 20:35 |
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thats pretty interesting now to use imgburn instead of decrypter.
so is it possible to have shrink and nero progam
then also have another copy of shrink with imgburn?
then i could be burning 2 different movies to disc at the same time using it
would the 2 shrink program interfere with each other?
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PacMan777
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22. October 2007 @ 20:57 |
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Notice the options in the Backup window under Target Device. The Nero option is still there and you can select any of the options. Burning with DVD Decrypter will no longer be an option. You changed support from DVD Decrypter to ImgBurn. Nothing else is changed. One thing a user will only know if they read or are told, CopyToDVD from VSO is a supported burner. It's only listed if the program is installed. You'll only need the one version of DVDShrink. If you want to make a change between Nero and ImgBurn, simply make it in Backup when you open your files. You have to go through there anyway.
I may have misuderstood the question a bit. I don't know about running 2 instances of the program at the same time. Shrink can be something of a system hog the way it is. Give it a try and let us know what happens. ;) You'll have to install the second version in a different folder and have a different shortcut. Naturally you'd have to have different temp files and output files or drives set in the different programs Also, I've not tried burning 2 discs at the same time. I don't know how that would work out. You're talking about a very heavy CPU load as well as using a lot of RAM. That's 2 system hungry apps working at the same time. I have a good dual core system and I don't care to try it.
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22. October 2007 @ 21:10 |
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thanks pacman
i occasionally burn at the same times using shrink and nero for D drive and clonedvd in E drive
have not noticed any problems in play back or in scan tests.
its justs a tad slower doing 2 at once...
saves me from trips up and down those stairs
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PacMan777
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22. October 2007 @ 21:33 |
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Originally posted by born2ride:
thanks pacman
i occasionally burn at the same times using shrink and nero for D drive and clonedvd in E drive
have not noticed any problems in play back or in scan tests.
its justs a tad slower doing 2 at once...
saves me from trips up and down those stairs
If I'm doing a bunch of backups I normally use Batch mode in RB. All the ISOs get stored in a folder and I can burn them later.
While running the programs, have you noticed any time savings or would it be just as good to use the apps separately?
With 2 instances of Shrink, if your system can carry it, there should be no problems as long as you aren't reading the same optical drive or trying to use the same temp files or output files. It should work just as well as using any 2 different programs at the same time. Just don't get them crossed up on the same files.
Just for the heck of it. I hooked up 2 versions of Shrink and have them running at the same time. It's noticably slower though.
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22. October 2007 @ 21:52 |
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it really depends on the compression needed. if its alot then the times are longer. and its probebly better doing them individualy.if theres not much compression then i think its the same or just a tad longer..
mostly i do them by themselves. overnight sometime i will set 2 app and let them run..
i could image running 2shrinks one is a hog. i still like to see if my pc can handle it.
what are you spec?
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PacMan777
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22. October 2007 @ 22:01 |
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AMD dual core @ 3GHz with 2GB RAM. I built just before the new C2Ds came along. Besides the 2 instances of Shrink, I've got a few other windows open. I'm surfing, posting here at AD, and keeping up with Monday night football. LOL That slows things even more. Plus I've got all the quality settings checked.
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22. October 2007 @ 22:19 |
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this has the Core 2 Duo E6600 @2.4ghz 2gigs ram
its a dell xps 410. i bought it fairly cheap on the Refurbished list.
its been good so far.
i think it could use a bit faster cpu. she lags when mce is recording and other apps are running.
edit is a nice upgrade from what i had...
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PacMan777
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22. October 2007 @ 22:40 |
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I doubt it's the CPU as much as the rest of the system. It's a work PC and then you can't adjust your processor due to a fixed BIOS. Up till the latest C2Ds came out, the 6600 was the choice for a lot of performance builds. When you start talking faster CPUs, you may as well build a custom system to get the performance out of what you have. New case, PSU, HSF, and mobo and you could speed up the CPU you have. That's talking a few hundred for parts, but a lot of performance. Depending on how far you go determines the usability and dependability of the PC. It's called overclocking. This PC is mildly OCed and has worked flawlessly for over a year with no overheating or crashing. It would improve your encode times. LOL
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PacMan777
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22. October 2007 @ 23:13 |
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In answer to some of Born2ride's questions on dual versions of Shrink running at the same time. Works just fine and seems to work faster together than separately. Even multitasking I could see a difference. Of course I'd have to use the same files (different folders) to make it a real comparison and then run it with both Shrinks running and compare that to the time of 1x2.
I already had my sources on the HD, 300 Spartans, older version with Richard Egan, and the fairly new Serenity. Compression was about 54% for Spartans and 50% for Serenity. All Quality settings in use, including deep analysis. 300 Spartans ISO finished in about an hour and Serenity finished about 25 minutes later. I started Serenity a bit later, so times aren't exact. But that's 2 videos at high compression transcoded in less than 1 1/2 hrs. I could have set output to my 2 burners. There wouldn't have been much time added because the burns would have been staggered and about 10 minutes at 6X.
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23. October 2007 @ 22:09 |
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Pacman,
Thanks for the suggestions on getting that bit re-ordered.
PM on the way.
Frank
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PacMan777
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24. October 2007 @ 03:38 |
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You're welcome. I hope I didn't bore everyone to tears. LOL
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