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Analysts forecast a Blu-ray victory for next year... Probably
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article published on 21 December, 2007
Yet another group of industry analysts is predicting that next year will almost certainly see a single dominant HD disc format emerge next year. Unlike recent speculation from Screen Digest, however, the report from Understanding and Solutions includes predicting which side it will be. In their analysts' estimation Blu-ray will emerge as the victor in 2008.
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camaro17
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21. December 2007 @ 23:50 |
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yeah i knew they were gonna have to admit blu-ray is gonna win.
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21. December 2007 @ 23:54 |
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blah blah blah all over again
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21. December 2007 @ 23:59 |
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Originally posted by sk8flawzz:
blah blah blah all over again
lol, yeah man, i recall a news feed a couple of months ago with analysts predicting both format to be around till 2011, do you remember that?
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22. December 2007 @ 00:01 |
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Regular dvd quailty is good enough for me.
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22. December 2007 @ 00:02 |
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Originally posted by sk8flawzz:
blah blah blah all over again
lol, yeah man, i recall a news feed a couple of months ago with analysts predicting both format to be around till 2011, do you remember that?
Peace
I think I do, but most, no wait ALL of what these analysts say I don't really believe or remember.
I want one format (either) in the end, but a stalemate for a few years ought to be great for us
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22. December 2007 @ 00:10 |
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Suck a di*k "analysts"
Mind the key four letters in that word "Anal"............as in taken up the...
I wish I had a job as an 'guesser'. Kinda like the frakkin' weatherman. The ONLY job in the world where you can be wrong 95% of the time and still retain your job.
3 words.................F off 'anal'ysts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DONE!
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22. December 2007 @ 00:29 |
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One more thing; I totally welcome having two formats. I mean, who gives a shizzy anyway? Does a consume REALLY care if their DVD player plays both formats. It's not like the price is any different. Competition means lower prices and better quality...........plain and simple. So long as is doesn't adversely affect me. Because frankly .............. I'm all that matters..........HA HA just kidding.
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22. December 2007 @ 00:35 |
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Originally posted by area_51:
Regular dvd quality is good enough for me.
Word, who really gives a sh1t anyway, I mean in a few years blu-ray and hd-dvd are gonna be obsolete anyways..just like tapes , cd's came after that , now is mp3,itunes,ogg, the list goes on.. progress is inevitable.. If tupac or metallica made 8 tracks I would buy em.. all I care about is what is on them regardless of what they are on..
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22. December 2007 @ 04:53 |
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DVD is the winner because HD-DVD and Blu-Ray sales are pittyful, and will take 5+ years to gain momentum by that time hopefully solid state will be the format.
i wish these MPAA PR fools would stop predicting the rise of their chosen format of orwellian propertarian DRM lock out choice.
Blu-Ray = anti consumer DRM lock down with added price fixing region codes!
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22. December 2007 @ 07:08 |
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They should have waited for all of the Q4 numbers to come in.
In a few weeks we'll see Warner speaking at the HD DVD conference at CES.
There are going to be some analysts and forecasters with a lot of egg on their faces!
LMAO.
They should have seen this first before making such big claims -
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/12241.cfm
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Originally posted by nobrainer:
DVD is the winner because HD-DVD and Blu-Ray sales are pittyful, and will take 5+ years to gain momentum by that time hopefully solid state will be the format.
i wish these MPAA PR fools would stop predicting the rise of their chosen format of orwellian propertarian DRM lock out choice.
Blu-Ray = anti consumer DRM lock down with added price fixing region codes!
the DRM is no worse than HDVD at this time tis been cracked and BD+ the great evil DRM has been sold off to macrovision which garrents it bing breakable and mroe consumer friendly since sony has step away from it.
hughjars
http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/07/warner-could-join-blu-ray/
if they go exclusive to one format it could be a sign of the end.
With BR losing its teeth and HDVD gaining some grit 51GB and region coding there is no longer a diffrance in the formats the war is over they cloned themselves to much now all that matters is one stepping away from the consumer market so that the one thats left can replace DVD and the price war on that should be nice, 80-200$ players and no more than 25 a movie they can do it they just refuse to at this point in time.
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roger32
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22. December 2007 @ 09:49 |
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Originally posted by hughjars:
They should have waited for all of the Q4 numbers to come in.
In a few weeks we'll see Warner speaking at the HD DVD conference at CES.
There are going to be some analysts and forecasters with a lot of egg on their faces!
LMAO.
They should have seen this first before making such big claims -
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/12241.cfm
Hughjars,
You should check your sources before you use them as fact. The site you listed states "Blockbusters such as 'The Bourne Ultimatum' and 'Harry Potter and the Order of the Pheonix' on HD DVD are reversing a long running trend by outselling their Blu-ray equivalents."
The Bourne Ultimatum wasn't even released on bluray. Which is why HDDVD is beating it LOL.
Bluray will win the format war!!!
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
the DRM is no worse than HDVD at this time
- No that's not correct Zippy.
AACS has been cracked twice now (and the word is that with the 2nd crack it has led to them understanding the hows & whys and it can only get easier every time from now on).
Both HD DVD & Blu-ray use AACS and because of this there a total of about 600 high def of both flavours movies available on the net.
BD+ is unique to Blu-ray - and they use a hardware based watermarking system.
Contrary to the rumours has not been cracked & neither has the watermarking.
We keep hearing a crack is imminent but it has yet to happen.
We do not know yet (cos it hasn't been broken) what the result will be of any changes to BD+ if the 1st version is broken - but bearing in mind it has been specifically designed from the outset as a variable security system intended to be changed if it ever is broken it also means we do not know whether breaking it will lead to easier future breask or whether things go right back to square 1.
But it's simply not true to say both HD DVD and Blu-ray have equal DRM and that that this DRM has been broken.
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
With BR losing its teeth and HDVD gaining some grit 51GB and region coding there is no longer a diffrance in the formats
- Zippy mate where are you getting this idea that HD DVD is region coded?
It is not.
The only region coding that applies is to the SD DVD side of it (although there is now a hack out for some of the HD DVD players on that one).
HD DVD itself is not region coded and has never been coded.
In theory they could introduce it but that would require industry agreement that is highly unlikely.
Why would they bother with it now when it is clear that the lack of region coding is a major HD DVD plus point?
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22. December 2007 @ 09:59 |
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Lol I just went to my local Wal-Mart and they had one Giant Blu-Ray stand with a whole bunch of Blu-Ray movies and no more then 10 HD-DVDs on it. I guess we know what my Wal-Mart prefers :P
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Originally posted by roger32:
You should check your sources before you use them as fact. The site you listed states "Blockbusters such as 'The Bourne Ultimatum' and 'Harry Potter and the Order of the Pheonix' on HD DVD are reversing a long running trend by outselling their Blu-ray equivalents."
The Bourne Ultimatum wasn't even released on bluray. Which is why HDDVD is beating it LOL.
- You should learn to read properly.
The article does not at any point claim that Bourne (a Universal HD DVD release only) is out on anything other than HD DVD.
Originally posted by roger32:
Bluray will win the format war!!!
- Deny the truth all you like but like I said weeks ago, if Sony's head Blu-ray BS'er Stringer is prepared to publicly say he sees a stalemate in this 'war' then you can bet it's much worse than that for Blu-ray
(which is what we're going to be seeing very soon).
Warner sid they were going to be watching Q4 sales very closely.
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix was a like-for-like release on both formats and it's looking highly likely that despite the approx 10:1+ lead in players that Bu-ray has they have either lost to HD DVD or only just barely beaten HD DVD.
That's the sort of thing that moves studios - especially when they know even cheaper HD DVD players are only a few months away.
PS3 simply doesn't sell enough movies.
But you continue in your day-dream all you like.
By mid 2008 this will all be over and the fanclub will have to content themselves with Blu-ray being little more than the PS3's proprietary format with a little standalone & PC burner activity tacked on.
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22. December 2007 @ 10:28 |
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Originally posted by roger32:
You should check your sources before you use them as fact. The site you listed states "Blockbusters such as 'The Bourne Ultimatum' and 'Harry Potter and the Order of the Pheonix' on HD DVD are reversing a long running trend by outselling their Blu-ray equivalents."
The Bourne Ultimatum wasn't even released on bluray. Which is why HDDVD is beating it LOL.
- You should learn to read properly.
The article does not at any point claim that Bourne (a Universal HD DVD release only) is out on anything other than HD DVD.
Originally posted by roger32:
Bluray will win the format war!!!
- Deny the truth all you like but like I said weeks ago, if Sony's head Blu-ray BS'er Stringer is prepared to publicly say he sees a stalemate in this 'war' then you can bet it's much worse than that for Blu-ray
(which is what we're going to be seeing very soon).
Warner sid they were going to be watching Q4 sales very closely.
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix was a like-for-like release on both formats and it's looking highly likely that despite the approx 10:1+ lead in players that Bu-ray has they have either lost to HD DVD or only just barely beaten HD DVD.
That's the sort of thing that moves studios - especially when they know even cheaper HD DVD players are only a few months away.
PS3 simply doesn't sell enough movies.
But you continue in your day-dream all you like.
By mid 2008 this will all be over and the fanclub will have to content themselves with Blu-ray being little more than the PS3's proprietary format with a little standalone & PC burner activity tacked on.
The only reason why this "war" is happening in the first place is because Microsoft has allowed it to continue. The fact that they had to pay around 150 million for two studios to switch to their format is enough evidence that the HDDVD format is on its way out. An interesting fact that you should think about is that Microsoft doesn't even care if the HDDVD format wins this is clear in their lack of incorporating the format into their consoles. The PS3 is a really good push for the Bluray format and will likely help the format overtake HDDVD in 2008.
The other point you make in regard to the cost of HDDVD players is mute. It has already been stated that the cost of high definition players is not as important to retailers as the cost of HDDVD players already has reached $100 with little change in the HDDVD sales.
As for your argument regarding the Harry Potter movie, do you really think that that one movie is going to change the outcome of the war? Don't forget that Bluray has DISNEY and that alone is enough to end this war once and for all. Imagine if Disney re-released all of their older movies remastered.
Your just in denial because you probably invested several hundred dollars in your player and don't want to see it become obsolete. I understand your feelings, but blame it on MICROSOFT for extending this out longer than it had to just so that they can have more time to work on their HD movie download service with their XBox Live.
Even if Microsoft perfects an HD movie download service, people still prefer to have hard copies of their movies.
As I said earlier, Bluray will win.
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22. December 2007 @ 11:11 |
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Why would Warner switch to HD-DVD if it's been selling less then Blu-Ray the entire year or so? Like, where does that come in? Common sense is to go with the better selling product, with more players. It doesn't matter that HD-DVD has BS features that no one cares about. I'd cry if Warner switched to Blu-Ray at whatever in January. Even if the production costs are more expensive, the sales so far have made up for them seeing that they've held about 70% average of sales every week.
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Originally posted by roger32:
The other point you make in regard to the cost of HDDVD players is mute. It has already been stated that the cost of high definition players is not as important to retailers as the cost of HDDVD players already has reached $100 with little change in the HDDVD sales.
As for your argument regarding the Harry Potter movie, do you really think that that one movie is going to change the outcome of the war? Don't forget that Bluray has DISNEY and that alone is enough to end this war once and for all. Imagine if Disney re-released all of their older movies remastered.
Countless members has been telling him this but he just don't get it cheap players does nothing if your media cost more than BD & don't have the majority share of the Big studio's.I'm pretty sure a lot of people going to be upset when they unwrap there 99 dollar HD-DVD player & see that they can't get BD movies or vice verse & HD-DVD movie costing more than BD.High return value after christmas
EX:
300[Widescreen Dubbed Subtitle AC3] - HD-DVD List Price:
$39.99 Our Price:Our Price:$34.99
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?...duct&id=1653420
300[Widescreen Dubbed Subtitle AC3] - Blu-ray DiscList Price:
$34.99 Our Price:$29.99
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?...duct&id=1653420
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Quitters never win. Winners never quit. Those that never win and never quit are stupid. The score is 52 to 0.
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22. December 2007 @ 12:22 |
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Typical Blu-ray/PS3 fanclub behaviour.
Snipe with one ill-informed comment; get shot down; ignore that and move on to try and cast up another ill-informed comment.
Too easy.
S'funny how no-one is now predicting the once claimed 'easy' win for Blu-ray.
But don't let that interrupt your worship.
The Michael Bay line is just laughable; we don't have the necessary bandwidth & speed of connection (and won't have anything like enough of them in time) to affect this particular disc battle.
The comment about the wave of coming $100 HD DVD players is not moot (mute!? lol).
We've only seen the HD A2 (gen 2) player sold as a season special at that price (and they sold all they had).
That's not the same as a player which is gen 3 and at a regular $100 price.
The point about the Harry Potter film is that it was exactly that kind of like-for-like release that Warner are looking at
(and more to the point it's exactly the sort of thing that they said they were going to be looking at).
Disney alone is not enough (jeez is that the level of desperate delusion the Blu-ray.com clan have talked themselves into!?).
But if you don't know Disney actively supported the new 51gb TL HD DVD when it went through the DVD Forum and was recently approved.
(instead of the usual abstention the BDA members of the DVD Forum do these days).
What will the excuse be when Disney go neutral, huh?
The truth is that despite the wholly expected boost PS3 gave Blu-ray it has been a rather weak boost; as HD DVD standalone numbers grow so too the gap closes.
The problem is that Blu-ray has to see a disproportionate number of PS3s shifted and they aren't selling enough of them and those they do sell don't shift enough movies.
(and we already know Blu-ray is an expensive pain in the a$$ to work with thanks to Paramount's comments)
I see the usual lie has been dragged out & dropped into this (Jeez talk about lame & desperate reaching) to whine that HD DVD movies are expensive compared to Blu-ray.
LMAO
Here's the first page of HD DVD discs using the search of Amazon USA, it's pretty typical.
It is as good as anything to expose the typical & usual Blu-ray.com lie about HD DVD disc pricing.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_nr_i_0?ie...20dvd%2Ci%3Advd
3 box sets and then 6 x $19.95; 2 x $24.95.
The Blu-ray search turns this up -
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_d/103-...eywords=blu-ray
4 boxsets and 1 x $15.95; 1 x $22.95; then 4 x $23.95; then 1 x $24.95 & 1 x $29.95.
(Just cos Best Buy can't compete. :P )
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We could really go at this all day. The bottom line is that there are far more PS3 and standalone Bluray players in the market than there are HDDVD players. Furthermore, there are presently more movies out in the Bluray format and as a whole they are outselling HDDVD titles. Show me one creditable source that is not a .com stating that the HDDVD will win the war. I really think that anything that anyone can say is speculation at this point.
Bluray will win the war!!!
Oh, by the way, I really could care less if there is a winner to the format war. I have a PS3 and even if HDDVD wins I still can play my PS3 games in HD and I can just go and pick up a $100 player for HDDVD titles. You on the other hand have much more invested in this than I do.
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Originally posted by roger32:
The bottom line is that there are far more PS3 and standalone Bluray players in the market than there are HDDVD players.
- No, that's only part of the actual 'bottom line'.
The bit the PS3/Blu-ray fanclub love to leave out is how poor the sales lead that Blu-ray has had is compared to those so few HD DVD players.
That's why attachment rates do matter & why this is just a matter of time; as HD DVD sells more and more the owners buy far more movies.
Originally posted by roger32:
Furthermore, there are presently more movies out in the Bluray format
- No, that's plain wrong.
Thanks to HD DVD being region free every time you can source movies from anywhere and it means there are in fact more HD DVD movies available and there are more exclusive HD DVD movies available too.
Originally posted by roger32:
and as a whole they are outselling HDDVD titles.
- No-one has disputed that.
The PS3 generated a wholly expected short-term lead. The only surprise was how poor that lead was and how quickly it is being closed down.
The point is that the gap has closed and is going to be closing still further.
Originally posted by roger32:
Show me one creditable source that is not a .com stating that the HDDVD will win the war.
- LMAO, so a handful of old (and now very out-of -date) forecasts are your last hope then?
As I said before, we've gone from just about everyone starting this by writing off HD DVD as the underdog and saying Blu-ray would win easily to comments about stalemate and no clear winner.
Give it time.
Having pulled back away from their early 'easy win' forecasts and pondering over their non-committal current 'stalemate' forecasts (which even Sony top Blu-ray BS'er Stringer agrees with - so you know it's really much worse) it's only a matter of time until the reality of $100 HD DVD has them all changing their tune, again.
Originally posted by roger32:
I really think that anything that anyone can say is speculation at this point.
- Mine might be speculation, but at least it's informed by events & actual reality.
Those Chinese brands are a fact, they are coming.
'HD DVD China' is the same as 'our' HD DVD except for a mere firmware & a case logo.
The mainstream a/v mass-market is also far larger than the game console market
(which PS3 has not done especially well in either, being stuck firmly in 3rd place, despite slightly improved sales in the last month or so).
Originally posted by roger32:
Bluray will win the war!!!
- Dream on.
Blu-ray cannot now actually win.
It can co-exist but it will not actually win, not without Universal & Viacom/Paramount et al.
Originally posted by roger32:
You on the other hand have much more invested in this than I do.
- Yeah, whatever. Maybe it's a lot to you, it isn't to me.
My HD A/EP35 - which will always play my collection of HD DVDs & DVDs or even CDs if I choose - was about 1/2 the price of a PS3.
So perhaps not such a big "investment" (LMAO) or a lot of cash afterall.
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The more times I see these boring "Analysts predict" topics.. the more my eyes settle on the Anal part...
People get paid for this crap??
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Originally posted by hughjars:
It is as good as anything to expose the typical & usual Blu-ray.com lie about HD DVD disc pricing.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_nr_i_0?ie...20dvd%2Ci%3Advd
3 box sets and then 6 x $19.95; 2 x $24.95.
The Blu-ray search turns this up -
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_d/103-...eywords=blu-ray
4 boxsets and 1 x $15.95; 1 x $22.95; then 4 x $23.95; then 1 x $24.95 & 1 x $29.95.
(Just cos Best Buy can't compete.
As always i got to come on here & cleanup the red ants fud thats been spread.
Report: Best Buy Sells Most Blu-ray, HD DVD Titles
According to a new research report, Best Buy is America's high-def disc leader, outselling both Wal-Mart and Amazon.com by what's being described as "a wide margin.".
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/H...DVD_Titles/1045
Amazon don't sell as many HD format discs as Best buy so wheres your PR spin on this? Once again you ranting & raving & have no clue what you talking about.
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looks like blu ray might win tho figuring alot of movies are blu ray only but hopefully they produce movies in both formats so my hd dvd player isnt a waste of space as well.
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