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Paramount to drop HD DVD?
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article published on 8 January, 2008
According to a Financial Times report, Paramount and DreamWorks Animation may be ready to drop support for the HD DVD format following last week's shock announcement that Warner Bros. would support Blu-ray exclusively. Viacom-owned Paramount apparently signed a contract with the HD DVD camp that included a clause allowing it to switch sides in the format war if Warner Bros. should do so.
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8. January 2008 @ 01:25 |
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i hope they don't drop hd dvd, format neutrality might not be so bad
damn its not looking good for hd dvd..the next few days and weeks should be interesting
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8. January 2008 @ 01:38 |
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My view point from 3 months ago is that HD-DVD will be gone by mid year.
By gone I mean completely no players no titles nothing like it never existed.
I would think SD-DVD as a format will probably only last for about 2 more years before going as well.
From about auguast 2007 the studios that supported both formats were dating their Blu-Ray release but simply said expect it on HD-DVD no date given or some time later or it was dated but 2 weeks to a month later.
As format HD-DVD doesn't even exist in some countries anyway, dead before it even got off the ground really.
be good now that it's simply the 1 format.
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8. January 2008 @ 01:41 |
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apparently signed a contract with the HD DVD camp that included a clause allowing it to switch sides in the format war if Warner Bros. should do so.
Whoever agreed to this contract on HD-DVD side should not have a job.Its not looking good right now for HD-DVD owner & to think all them HD-DVD players that was bought during the holiday season & less than a month there losing content..thats insane but thank Microsoft for paying the money & clouding the true picture to what was really going on behind the curtain that HD-DVD was already dieing as each week of sells showed it.
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8. January 2008 @ 01:44 |
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Pretty sure this was debunked already...
Im up for 1 format also but I dont really care I only buy blu-rays when there on sale and got most of the ones I already wanted...With warner leaving though doubt this deal will last long they got a few blockbusters coming out but blu-ray has a army coming out next year cant see hd-dvd surviving another year.
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8. January 2008 @ 02:11 |
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It would have been better if they made all Hi-Def players read HD-DVD and Blu-ray discs and let consumers decide which Hi-def format they prefer. This way nobody worries of getting stuck with a dead format in the near future.
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8. January 2008 @ 02:15 |
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Microsoft dumped hundreds of millions into this useless format. The only ones dumber than microsoft are the people that bought the players at the Toshiba $99 fire-sale.
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
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8. January 2008 @ 02:57 |
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What i like(d) about hd dvd is the dual format disks i have 5 hd dvd disks & they are all dual format! a friend got my wife an HD player cause they had an HD xbox addon that someone had gotten them, anyways so we went & got some movies & now it is goign to be useless, oh well i still have my player i am not going to throw it out in fact i may go buy HD DVD movies when the clearances hit! get the last few titles out & go buy a BLuray player & just go from there! I am just happy that i didnt spend any $ on the player. I think it sux for the people who bought the players & tons of movies but like any format war someone usualy loses!
and who ever said that SD dvd is going to be gone i highly doubt it! vhs is still around i do not use one but i know people who do. and there are still too few people with SD tv;s i think it is about 50% so why woudl they go get bluray to watch on there old 25"crt?
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8. January 2008 @ 03:07 |
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mis read a previous comment =P
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8. January 2008 @ 03:23 |
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paramount dropping out? but i thought it was cheaper to produce on HD-DVD...wonder if now people will realize how business practices work...this is great news for Blu if tru. haha.
i said i guarantee owning Transformers on Blu-ray within the next year, but this early? hopefully there is something to this story and not the usual gossip. yet again didn't paramount keep a tightlip reassuring consumers they weren't going exclusive? so i wouldn't put too much into what they say or don't say on the situation. hmmmm i feel a surprise is brewing blu's way...
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8. January 2008 @ 04:20 |
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The Pro DRM, MPAA big guns are pulling ranks and dictating ppl towards 1 format, the anti consumer, propertarian, DRM format of Blu-Ray so global price fixing can resume and hardware lockdowns can commence!
ICT anyone?
FTA: Hollywood reportedly in agreement to delay forced quality downgrades for Blu-ray, HD DVD:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060521-6880.html
Originally posted by ars link:
One of the most controversial aspects of these next-generation products is something called the Image Constraint Token (ICT), a security "feature" that allows studios to force-downgrade video quality on players that lack a special video output that was designed to thwart piracy. This "HDMI" connector standard is part of a "protected pathway" for video that was meant to combat piracy by making it impossible for pirates to tap into high-definition video output and press "Record," as it were. Many fear, however, that the only success HDMI will have is in making honest users miserable, inasmuch as consumers could be left with a product that plays at low quality or not at all if HDMI is not present on one's player or TV.
The report's claims could also shed some light on two of the more baffling consumer electronics moves as of late. Sony stunned onlookers when it announced that the low-end PlayStation 3, which will retail for US$499, will not have HDMI. This put Sony in the awkward position of downplaying HDMI as a "must have" feature for a next-generation optical disc player. Kaz Hirai, CEO of Sony Computer Entertainment of America, sidestepped the lack of HDMI by painting it as a high-end standard that wouldn't be aesthetically appreciated by many consumers.
"The only difference is HDMI ? and at this point, I don't think many people's TV's have that. The ultimate result, to my eyes anyway, is there's not a discernible difference between what you get between HDMI and other forms of high definition," he said.
On one level, he's correct. Few consumers will appreciate the difference between 1080i on a component cable (analog) and 1080p on HDMI. What he ignored is the real trade-off: without HDMI, that 1920x1080 (1080i/p) or 1280 x 720 (720p) picture, analog or not, could be rendered at a less impressive 960x540 (540p) if the ICT was present and obeyed. While 540p is indeed better than today's DVD standard, few consumers would spend $500-$1000 on a new player and as much as $10 more per movie to get it. If part of Sony's big pitch for the PS3 is "hey, this thing is also futureproof because it does Blu-ray!," then ditching support for HDMI doesn't make sense in a world where the absence of HDMI could negate much of the promise of Blu-ray.
So you purchase all their old equipment, then they flick the switch and you are left with a piece of junk that either doesn't work because of HDCP (HDMI DRM) or you have it all forcibly downgraded below current quality, WOW that's advancement, thanks MPAA!
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8. January 2008 @ 04:40 |
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uh oh. here we go again with the sony is evil, drm, i bet sony is trying to pay off paramount too, yadda yadda yadda...
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8. January 2008 @ 04:45 |
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Originally posted by jove:
uh oh. here we go again with the sony is evil, drm, i bet sony is trying to pay off paramount too, yadda yadda yadda...
if it was m$ or another company i would do the same to them but even m$ is being dictated to by the MPAA with their onslaught on crippling hardware and using ever more invasive DRM on the films we supposedly own! sony just leave themselves wide open to negative opinion because of their anti consumer tactics employed by this company!
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2007/02/sch...consumers-vista
Originally posted by above EFF link:
Why Microsoft Sold Out Consumers in Vista
Today, the PC industry needs Hollywood more than Hollywood needs the PC. Most consumers rely on traditional consumer electronics devices to view DVDs and TV content, but companies like Microsoft are betting on the converged digital home and desperately want a bigger piece of the media device market. Because of the DMCA, Microsoft has to get permission to build devices compatible with Hollywood's DRMed content. So when Hollywood demanded that Microsoft lard Vista with restrictions to access high-def DVD and digital cable content, the software giant was in a weak bargaining position.
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8. January 2008 @ 08:53 |
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Well to all of those that purchased HD DVD players it should be good to know that you still have a good upscaling DVD player.
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8. January 2008 @ 08:55 |
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Well, at this point in time, he is right. Most people do not have TV's with HDMI support. This whole war games thing that has been going on for the past year isn't to set a standard for today's consumers, but for tommorow's, like in five to ten years.
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8. January 2008 @ 10:43 |
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This is generally what happens with big companies during competitive times. If a big wig flies south others topically follow. I think to many people are making a overly big deal about DRM. It sucks but as with all encryptions they can be broken. The issue isnt really with encryption its with the cost of the units to back up your investments. Spending $400+ on a Blu-Ray burner and $20+ per disc is insane. Your better just buying the real movies and protecting them like they your kids.
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8. January 2008 @ 10:44 |
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Originally posted by ooZEROoo:
Well to all of those that purchased HD DVD players it should be good to know that you still have a good upscaling DVD player.
Yeah, a good upscaling DVD player or a downscaling HD player. The $99 HD-DVD players that were sold at Toshiba's Fire-Sale are only 1080i. LOL
Microsoft dragged Paramount into this mess. LOL
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8. January 2008 @ 11:19 |
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Originally posted by ooZEROoo:
Well to all of those that purchased HD DVD players it should be good to know that you still have a good upscaling DVD player.
Yeah, a good upscaling DVD player or a downscaling HD player. The $99 HD-DVD players that were sold at Toshiba's Fire-Sale are only 1080i. LOL
Microsoft dragged Paramount into this mess. LOL
that is pretty true.hd-dvd consumers got ripped off.i remember reading that hughjars spoke about the $99 hd-dvd players and how that wouldtip the format war hd-dvd's way.i thought that the price was great,but 1080i?
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8. January 2008 @ 11:24 |
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come on, get real, the naked eye can't even tell the difference between the two. 1080i/1080p blah blah blah...
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8. January 2008 @ 11:32 |
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Originally posted by ooZEROoo:
Well to all of those that purchased HD DVD players it should be good to know that you still have a good upscaling DVD player.
Yeah, a good upscaling DVD player or a downscaling HD player. The $99 HD-DVD players that were sold at Toshiba's Fire-Sale are only 1080i. LOL
Microsoft dragged Paramount into this mess. LOL
Microsoft can afford losing so ..., 50>30 that's the true and hd-dvd will be gone by the end of the year , i feel sorry for ppl with a hd-dvd collection (well not big but still spended a couple of hundred $ on this format)
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8. January 2008 @ 11:57 |
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Originally posted by jove:
uh oh. here we go again with the sony is evil, drm, i bet sony is trying to pay off paramount too, yadda yadda yadda...
Sony is evil. As is M$. All corporations are evil. It's just a matter of picking the lesser of the two in this case.
This sounds like a golf course handshake to me.
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8. January 2008 @ 11:59 |
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The only way HD-DVD can try and save face is if any of the big porn companies decided to back them. Just my two cents....
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8. January 2008 @ 12:03 |
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You blu-ray supporters must love Sony DRM. You know the studios went blu-ray because of BD+. They must be in denial about AnyDVD and it's ability to backup a BD+ title.
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8. January 2008 @ 12:12 |
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where's that hugejar or whatever his user name? the dude's constant hd-dvd posts got me into buying the hd-dvd add-on for the X360. i blame that fool/smartypant :(
i already got Transformers on hd-dvd, which shouldn't have if they didn't go hd-dvd exclusive (it was on my BD must list).
On the bright side, i don't have that many hd-dvds, four on hand and five in the rebate process.
Speaking of the free hd-dvds from the rebate, am i screwed? even though i don't care for them anymore, but i still want them (hey, it's free hd-dvds we're talking about here).
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8. January 2008 @ 12:20 |
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Originally posted by BludRayne:
You blu-ray supporters must love Sony DRM. You know the studios went blu-ray because of BD+. They must be in denial about AnyDVD and it's ability to backup a BD+ title.
Honestly? No, i don't like DRM or whatever Sony is trying to pull. However judging from the current life style (i.e. not a student anymore and don't have much free times), i don't do movies backups anymore, it's a thing in the past :) Selfish, but yeah, i realized i wasted good amount of time backing up movies i don't even watch (the original dvds are gathering dust too) not to mention the "older" dvd media are not playable right now (cheap blank discs to begin with), i don't give a damn anymore. Besides, backing up BDs can be a bitch... translation, more time consuming that backing up dvds, i rather actually watch a movie or play games :)
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8. January 2008 @ 12:25 |
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Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
where's that hugejar or whatever his user name? the dude's constant hd-dvd posts got me into buying the hd-dvd add-on for the X360. i blame that fool/smartypant :(
i already got Transformers on hd-dvd, which shouldn't have if they didn't go hd-dvd exclusive (it was on my BD must list).
On the bright side, i don't have that many hd-dvds, four on hand and five in the rebate process.
Speaking of the free hd-dvds from the rebate, am i screwed? even though i don't care for them anymore, but i still want them (hey, it's free hd-dvds we're talking about here).
You should blame him, for giving you false hopes for a format that is inferior to Blu-ray. All he can talk about now is the DRM issue.
Blu-ray has won the format war!!!
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