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Toshiba slashes HD DVD player prices
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article published on 14 January, 2008
In response to several studios backing the Blu-ray format exclusively over the past couple of weeks, Toshiba Corp. has slashed the prices of its HD DVD player line-up by 40% - 50%, according to a Reuters report. The price cuts are in effect now, aimed at pushing HD DVD players into more consumer homes after Toshiba reported a successful fourth quarter.
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nobrainer
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14. January 2008 @ 16:15 |
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No Matter what Hd-DvD do the MPAA DRM advocates (Sony, Disney & Fox) have already decided to only back Drm-Ray because of the extra layer of security and region coding which enables global price fixing.
Bad news for Hd-DVD as the consumers have not been allowed to choose what they want, it has been decided by the MPAA already, HD-DvD is by far the most consumer friendly option of the two formats. so i will stick with DVD for the foreseeable future & not have the worry of DRM and privacy issues of phone home Blu-Ray BD+ on upcoming profile 2.0+
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14. January 2008 @ 16:29 |
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I agree 'nobrainer'. It's really an F'en shame. Big business has made yet another decision for us. I hope that BD gets the sh*t hacked out of it sooner rather than later.
In my opinion, when BD and HD-DVD players are down to below 100.00 bucks then they'll be worth buying. Sorry folks but the raw materials needed to build those are similar to that of standard dvd...........which can be bought for 80 bucks.
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14. January 2008 @ 16:33 |
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i really do think that toshiba are doing the right thing and pushing the whole upscale thing to be honest if i popped in a standard disc into my hd player people would really not be able to tell that much difference!
even on standard 576 with no upscale my toshiba hd e1 wipes the floor with my sony dav that cost £299 and with the lower prices coming in for hd dvd its a bargain
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ljbanner
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14. January 2008 @ 16:36 |
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lets rename it hd rocky dvd,
keep knocking it down and it still gets back up
your not so bad
your not so bad
your not so bad
sony threw a big ivan drago with the warner
but rock keeps fighting
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vinny13
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14. January 2008 @ 16:44 |
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Well Rocky is getting old. He lost his last match in the last movie correct? :P
Anyways, a price slash? Gee, I wonder what this is about lol
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ljbanner
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14. January 2008 @ 16:50 |
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you mean you actually watched the last one
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juankerr
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14. January 2008 @ 17:01 |
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The most likely scenario according to avs insiders involved in the actual negotiations is this:
Universal and Paramount/Dreamworks are delaying any BluRay announcements until Toshiba has a chance to sell off their existing stock of HD DVD players. Once the stock is depleted to some extent then you will hear an announcement from these studios.
Not a bad exit strategy. This is also the likely reason why Universal has not announced any new HD DVD releases since CES 2K8.
These insiders have signed an NDA or non-disclosure agreement and have requested the avsforums mods to delete their posts regarding this scenario.
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vinny13
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14. January 2008 @ 17:33 |
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Originally posted by ljbanner: you mean you actually watched the last one
Yep... I think the last one was better :P
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hughjars
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14. January 2008 @ 18:59 |
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It's not just Toshiba in this either.
Universal & Paramount are selling HD DVD movies at a lower cost too.
Despite the hype, this is far from over.
Warner don't actually do anything until the end of May and are not tied by contract to Blu-ray
(this has been done to protect Sony from US anti-trust actions as they have tried to buy the majority of the movie studios).
If Warner decide that Blu-ray sales are unimpressive at the end of the year they could easily go back to HD DVD
(and splash on an ad campaign funded by Sony's $500 mill).
With Blu-ray having nothing 'profile 2.0'
(and therefore nothing to full spec or guaranteed 100% safe with the final spec)
until God only knows when
(nevermind a decently spec'd range at sane prices)
Blu-ray really aren't going to be picking up much steam this year anyways.
The game console niche is where Blu-ray is stuck for a long time to come.
(with the added problem of 250,000+ very pi$$ed off 'profile 1.0' & 'profile 1.1' who find their kit won't work properly with 'profile 2.0' discs.....and who face the cavalier attitude of the BDA who have simply said tough luck boys, "you knew what you were getting into".
.....and to think they have the nerve to slam Microsoft as anti-consumer or to have whined about whether or not the relative handful of 1st gen Toshiba HD A1 owners might have had problems using the 3rd layer on the 51gb TL HD DVD discs.
Hypocritical fanboys, pure and simple)
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sciascia
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14. January 2008 @ 18:59 |
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Quote:
Originally posted by ljbanner: you mean you actually watched the last one
Yep... I think the last one was better :P
The last one was on par with the first 3. I liked every Rocky, but the 4th and 5th were just too much, 6th is pretty good.
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vinny13
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14. January 2008 @ 19:12 |
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Originally posted by hughjars: It's not just Toshiba in this either.
Universal & Paramount are selling HD DVD movies at a lower cost too.
Despite the hype, this is far from over.
Warner don't actually do anything until the end of May and are not tied by contract to Blu-ray
(this has been done to protect Sony from US anti-trust actions as they have tried to buy the majority of the movie studios).
If Warner decide that Blu-ray sales are unimpressive at the end of the year they could easily go back to HD DVD
(and splash on an ad campaign funded by Sony's $500 mill).
With Blu-ray having nothing 'profile 2.0'
(and therefore nothing to full spec or guaranteed 100% safe with the final spec)
until God only knows when
(nevermind a decently spec'd range at sane prices)
Blu-ray really aren't going to be picking up much steam this year anyways.
The game console niche is where Blu-ray is stuck for a long time to come.
(with the added problem of 250,000+ very pi$$ed off 'profile 1.0' & 'profile 1.1' who find their kit won't work properly with 'profile 2.0' discs.....and who face the cavalier attitude of the BDA who have simply said tough luck boys, "you knew what you were getting into".
.....and to think they have the nerve to slam Microsoft as anti-consumer or to have whined about whether or not the relative handful of 1st gen Toshiba HD A1 owners might have had problems using the 3rd layer on the 51gb TL HD DVD discs.
Hypocritical fanboys, pure and simple)
How do you know it was 500 million? I bet HD-DVD put in an offer too but they were just outbid. That's life. You learn to get used to it after buying and selling on ebay so much.
Blu-Ray is basically what more consumers have picked. It's not like it was forced on them. It's a choice that not everyone agrees with but oh well. That's what you get for buying into something so soon. It's just like the people who bought into Beta or whatever. If I didn't already have a player(my PS3) I would probably buy Bu-Ray as it has more support now and looks like a safer buy. I'm pretty sure right now that's what many new people who are getting into HD movie players are looking for, even though it just might cost a little more. That's all they need to know to be sold on it.
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error5
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14. January 2008 @ 19:32 |
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Originally posted by juankerr: The most likely scenario according to avs insiders involved in the actual negotiations is this:
Universal and Paramount/Dreamworks are delaying any BluRay announcements until Toshiba has a chance to sell off their existing stock of HD DVD players. Once the stock is depleted to some extent then you will hear an announcement from these studios.
Not a bad exit strategy. This is also the likely reason why Universal has not announced any new HD DVD releases since CES 2K8.
These insiders have signed an NDA or non-disclosure agreement and have requested the avsforums mods to delete their posts regarding this scenario.
This scenario does make sense and also reinforces your idea that all unsold HD DVD players should have a disclaimer clearly explaining the current studio situation.
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vinny13
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14. January 2008 @ 19:48 |
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Originally posted by error5: Originally posted by juankerr: The most likely scenario according to avs insiders involved in the actual negotiations is this:
Universal and Paramount/Dreamworks are delaying any BluRay announcements until Toshiba has a chance to sell off their existing stock of HD DVD players. Once the stock is depleted to some extent then you will hear an announcement from these studios.
Not a bad exit strategy. This is also the likely reason why Universal has not announced any new HD DVD releases since CES 2K8.
These insiders have signed an NDA or non-disclosure agreement and have requested the avsforums mods to delete their posts regarding this scenario.
This scenario does make sense and also reinforces your idea that all unsold HD DVD players should have a disclaimer clearly explaining the current studio situation.
Why would they put that on their stand-alones and such? Then they wouldn't sell :P
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14. January 2008 @ 20:27 |
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wow man this is bleep pathetic, i cant beleive they are trying to drag people down with a soon to be dead format, people think oh sweet look at how cheap these hd-dvd formats are, its a fire sale people. a desperate attempt to raise there numbers for one more chance. whatever.
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14. January 2008 @ 21:30 |
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juankerr and camaro17 have said everything,i'll just add that you should expect same tactic from microsoft,sooner or later they'll have to drop the price at the 360's external HD-DVD drive.
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hughjars
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Wow, way to discuss in a respectful manner camaro17; not.
It's always so amusing to see how much petty hatred & anger HD DVD simply being around gets the Blu-ray/PS3 fanclub.
Obviously their choice not to just roll over has upset some people.
Hard lines guys; they are still in this and Blu-ray has not forced them out despite umteen claims to have done so.
Hollywood remains divided with HD DVD still having exclusive support from the 2nd & 3rd largest Hollywood studios.
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hughjars
give it up, were are not trying to brag on how blue ray is winning or how we are laughing hard on your mistakes (hd dvd).
We are just trying to inform people that its a trap from a loosing format to gain one more chance for survival.
And people do we really want a format that just plays movies or a format that is used for more than just movies, more like games, cameras and whooping 25 to 50gb of data.
You should have choose to win , but you choose to loose , and now your asking y?
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14. January 2008 @ 22:28 |
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This is what it is. Toshiba has gotten ($$$) Universal and Paramont to not state their plans for HD for a few months. I wonder why they would do that? Toshiba has SLASHED their prices. I wonder whats going on?? They are just trying to give the coustomer a good deal rite??? I shur would not think that they were getting Uni and Para to hold up on their Blu anouncement untill they could sell off remaining supplies of players. I mean, Toshiba is so up standing.
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14. January 2008 @ 22:57 |
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MrMexican,
Knock off the comments towards hughjars.
My killer sig came courtesy of bb "El Jefe" mayo.
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chubbyInc
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First where's the proof that Toshiba has given up and is just selling off old stock??
There are dual format players.
I think Blu_Ray should have a warning label on it's box warn people it's not user friendly.
And whats the point in these high definition players anyways if there will be Ultra High-definition coming out in less than 7 years. My up converting player does fine for now.
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anyone reading on these forums would already know the situation and know what they're doing buying into HD DVD (and Blu-ray apparently)
but normal consumers will see these UPCONVERT players that play 'HD' DVD for prices very close to other DVD upconvert players, and if discs prices are slashed as well to DVD prices then there you go
theres still until the end of May before Warner stops putting out HD DVD, imo that's a very long time in the movie business
I already have HD DVD so I'm really hoping BD 2.0 players are released and drop in price faaaaaaast.
edit: spelling
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Originally posted by Nephilim: MrMexican,
Knock off the comments towards hughjars.
not trying to start things but if you are going to punish one you need to punish all! a few posts up Hughjars made comments towards Camaro17. he dishes it out just as much as the rest.
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15. January 2008 @ 03:58 |
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you guys realise that in every post that involveds the words blu ray or hd dvd and sony etc. you always say the very same things? have you guys run out of things to critize?? jesus christ!
give it a f'in rest already. drm this, evil sony that, the money the studio got payed, the consumer this, this that and the same... you might as well copy paste every comment from every other article and be done with it. lets keep an open mind here please!
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Amir89
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15. January 2008 @ 05:28 |
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Jeezzz.. are you people really that surprised by this decision?
Blu-Ray owning 70% of Home Video Market = Death for HDDVD
It's their last stand.
And why is everyone bashing Sony for DRM..? we all know that's going to fizzle out. Blu-Ray being the only viable next-gen optical format, DRM's heyday is over, trust me they talk tough but Sony is at the feet of consumers when it comes to their buying habits. If people don't adopt BD because of DRM, they'll change.
Look at SonyBMG, they gave up, people got pissed off, they found out about Rootkits, etc... they wanted their rights back. Sony knows when to back down.
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Originally posted by Amir89: Look at SonyBMG, they gave up, people got pissed off, they found out about Rootkits, etc... they wanted their rights back. Sony knows when to back down.
sony will never back down, the only reason they pulled xcp (rootkit) was because it was opening up ppl's pc's to attack and violating privicy with the report home facility built into it., and the legal onslaught because of this sony had no choice.
the MPAA lobby included a section into the SPY-ACT that makes rootkits legal fronted by sony so you think this isn't going to happen again?
http://weblog.infoworld.com/gripeline/ar...ct_only_pr.html
Quote: April 24, 2007
Spy Act Only Protects Vendors and Their DRM
In other words, it's perfectly OK for basically any vendor you do business with, or maybe thinks you do business with them for that matter, to use any of the deceptive practices the bill prohibits to load spyware on your computer. The company doesn't have to give you notice and it can collect whatever information it thinks necessary to make sure there's no funny business going on. And by the way, another exception provision specifically protects computer manufacturers from any liability for spyware they load on your computer before they send it to you. Of course, the exception for software companies checking to make sure you're an authorized user is the strongest evidence of what this bill is all about. After all, in terms of function, there's not much difference between spyware and DRM. Too bad for Sony this bill wasn't already the law when its rootkit-infected CDs came to light.
there is an option instead of Drm-Ray its called DvD.
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