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Steve Jobs calls Zune and Blu-ray failures
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article published on 18 January, 2008
Apple CEO Steve Jobs was recently interviewed by CNBC's Jim Goldman and he had a few bold statements to make. For one he called rival Microsoft's Zune media player a "failure" as well as proclaiming that although Blu-ray may have won the format war over HD DVD it had most likely lost the HD content distribution battle.
When Goldman asked Jobs if he had heard Microsoft executive Robbie ... [ read the full article ]
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hughjars
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18. January 2008 @ 18:59 |
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It took Apple 3 months to pass Blu-ray's movie sales numbers with it's download service.
Their customers obviously couldn't care less about the Apple movies being 720p & not having that bloated waste that is uncompressed audio.
So much for those who claimed downloads wouldn't be big.
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18. January 2008 @ 19:20 |
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He is a cocky bastard thats for sure. How can you call the Zune 2 a failure when it offers more that the iPod for the same price. Even the Zune 1 was not half bad in term of what it offered over the iPod. There is a horde of other MP3 player that are better than the iPod. Apple better study what happened between AMD and Intel carefully if they don't want M$ to do the same thing to them.
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18. January 2008 @ 19:35 |
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i never really liked anything from apple. only exceptions are macs,which i think are ok, but i would still prefer pcs. Apple ipods are only on the top of the music players because they advertise it. There are hundreds of better alternatives than ipods that offer more and are cheaper.
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18. January 2008 @ 19:36 |
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hughjars' post needs some clarification.
Although Apple TV is capable of 720p output, the movies on iTunes store are still only DVD quality. (I personally prefer the 720p content from XBox Live.)
Jobs revealed at Macworld this month that a new HD movie "rental" service will become available LATER this year for your Apple TV box. You can "rent" HD movies for $4 for catalog titles and $5 for new releases. You have 30 days to view the movie but once you start it you have 24 hours to watch it as often as you want. After that it's deleted from your box.
I see download services such as Apple TV as direct competitors to the large rentral chains such as Netflix and Blockbuster. (This is why Blockbuster's stock dropped on Wall Street when the new Apple TV services were announced.) Downloads won't be competing with actual disc sales but against movie rentals.
There are people who still want the physical media in their hands. These people prefer not to have their rights to watch a movie stored in a server somewhere.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/15/more-...vie-hd-rentals/
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It wasn't exactly crystal clear during Steve's keynote today, but apparently, there's a fair bit of red tape attached to these movie rentals. First off, since the Apple TV hardware is remaining the same, users can still only expect 1,280 by 720 resolution on the high-end, and although 100 HD movies are reportedly ready to be viewed, not a single TV show can say the same. Furthermore, a note at the bottom of the Apple TV's revised tech specs points out that "Dolby Digital 5.1 surround sound is not available with all HD rentals," so there's that. We've also learned that HD movie rentals will be available exclusively through the Apple TV, and considering that only rentals made from iTunes can be moved to other devices, any downloads originating from the Apple TV (including everything in high-definition) won't be making their way onto your iPod, iTunes library, etc. Depressing, we know.
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18. January 2008 @ 19:55 |
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Funny thing is ZD net has an artical relating to this...
[url=http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=959&tag=nl.e622][/url]
Its a big piece of crap. Who wants media that is not on some sort of hard copy... disc or any other format. I don't want to DL purely digital video, I want a hard copy. Same reason totally digital software DL's havent completely taken off. People want that extra insurance of an actual item in hand.
F*ck these guys I'm tired of thier rants about pure digital DLed media.
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aj123
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18. January 2008 @ 20:32 |
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Originally posted by Gehnma:
Funny thing is ZD net has an artical relating to this...
[url=http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=959&tag=nl.e622][/url]
Its a big piece of crap. Who wants media that is not on some sort of hard copy... disc or any other format. I don't want to DL purely digital video, I want a hard copy. Same reason totally digital software DL's havent completely taken off. People want that extra insurance of an actual item in hand.
F*ck these guys I'm tired of thier rants about pure digital DLed media.
you can just download the media onto a usb drive, or something simialr.
also, its better then the hassle of having and taking care of hard copies.
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18. January 2008 @ 20:35 |
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What a completely unjustifiable statement. For him to claim that the Zune and Blu-ray are failures is quite ironic too. I mean, first, who is he to talk about the Zune?! I have had a 6Gen iPod for just a little while and I've already had problems with it not playing songs or skipping after playing partway. Also, it turns out that this is by no means an isolated incident. Apparently, MANY people have had this problem even with songs purchases FROM iTUNES! It turns out that the problem is the song file itself and the only way to fix it is just get another copy of the song. And yet, the official Apple support forums says many times that you should check that you have updated iTunes and firmware, format and re-copy everything back to it, etc. For the several hundred price tag, the thing should be PERFECT. Instead, it just seems to be an extremely overpriced piece of hardware that is flawed just as the next piece. Then, he claims that Blu-ray is a failure. I would like to know what successful HD media he has put out. I mean, for him to be bashing on what he thinks sucks, where's his physical product? Sure he has less than perfect downloadable content, but where is his physical disk medium?
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18. January 2008 @ 20:40 |
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Then, he claims that Blu-ray is a failure. I would like to know what successful HD media he has put out. I mean, for him to be bashing on what he thinks sucks, where's his physical product? Sure he has less than perfect downloadable content, but where is his physical disk medium?
His physical medium is Blu-ray. Remember, Jobs is the largest single stockholder of Disney, which backs Blu-ray.
So if Jobs didn't like Blu-ray, he sure didn't show it with Disney fully backing it and shutting HD-DVD out. Probably did it just to stand against Microsoft.
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18. January 2008 @ 21:31 |
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Originally posted by Gehnma:
Funny thing is ZD net has an artical relating to this...
[url=http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=959&tag=nl.e622][/url]
Its a big piece of crap. Who wants media that is not on some sort of hard copy... disc or any other format. I don't want to DL purely digital video, I want a hard copy. Same reason totally digital software DL's havent completely taken off. People want that extra insurance of an actual item in hand.
F*ck these guys I'm tired of thier rants about pure digital DLed media.
you can just download the media onto a usb drive, or something simialr.
also, its better then the hassle of having and taking care of hard copies.
dude hoe many people will be smart enough to transfer hd content??
i guess not much cuz let's be honest most ppl when it comes to tech need a manual every step of the way
what could u do use a external hd? or some big flash drive? and then what u don't connect a Hard drive to a Tv, face it hard copies are way better when it comes to enjoying them
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18. January 2008 @ 22:13 |
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Originally posted by hughjars:
Their customers obviously couldn't care less about the Apple movies being 720p & not having that bloated waste that is uncompressed audio.
I wonder how you could make such a sweeping statement at this time.
The high def 720p movie download/rental service for Apple TV was just announced at Macworld on the 15th (3 days ago) and the software upgrade to access this service won't be available for another 2 weeks.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/15/live-...e-jobs-keynote/
You're comparing a digital download service that hasn't launched yet to an HD medium that has been selling for more than a year.
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19. January 2008 @ 00:27 |
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Ugh, now we have Apple haters to add to the MS, Sony, etc...
I've owned 3 different iPods, including the Mini, Nano 2nd Gen and Video. (First 2 were for working out and the other for holding ALL of my music.)
I think the biggest problem with the iPod is the learning curve, which is awkward, but not steep. It does not offer your typical volume or on/off buttons, but once the consumer "learns" how to use it, there's no going back. Apple typically find the best way to mesh hardware with software, and the iPod is a rousing success BECAUSE OF iTunes.
Of you that own a Zune, how do you like the WMP11 ripoff ZunePlayer? I'm a MS fan/defender of software, but WMP and ZunePlayer are just to cumbersome compared to iTunes, which thinks for you.
And the Zune cannot compare to the iPhone/Touch models. Over the holidays an uncle of ours got a Nano for the kids and Touch for himself so he could listen to his music and browse the web with WiFi. The experience went something like this: "How do you turn this on? Oh... How do you unlock... *slides finger on "button"* Oh... wow, that is really neat. Hey check this out everyone..." and the learning experience grows and grows. He's never ripped a CD in his life, but in minutes, he popped one in his PC, fired up iTunes and had it on his iPod with no hassle at all.
I'm not totally knocking the Zune, as it is a clever little device with nice features, but there are lots of other junk players out there, and when it comes to 3rd party accessories, you're going to have a tough time finding them for anything but the iPod. The other uphill battle for the Zune is the rabid Apple loyalists who will buy anything Job's can slap into metrosexual-looking, contemporary packing. In that regard, Steve can be as conceited as he would like to.
(Leaves floor open to Blu-Ray fanatics to take over.)
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19. January 2008 @ 00:42 |
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Originally posted by hughjars:
Their customers obviously couldn't care less about the Apple movies being 720p & not having that bloated waste that is uncompressed audio.
I wonder how you could make such a sweeping statement at this time.
The high def 720p movie download/rental service for Apple TV was just announced at Macworld on the 15th (3 days ago) and the software upgrade to access this service won't be available for another 2 weeks.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/15/live-...e-jobs-keynote/
You're comparing a digital download service that hasn't launched yet to an HD medium that has been selling for more than a year.
I'm not sure but I thought he was being sarcastic. Doh!
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19. January 2008 @ 00:42 |
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Originally posted by SProdigy:
Ugh, now we have Apple haters to add to the MS, Sony, etc...
I've owned 3 different iPods, including the Mini, Nano 2nd Gen and Video. (First 2 were for working out and the other for holding ALL of my music.)
I think the biggest problem with the iPod is the learning curve, which is awkward, but not steep. It does not offer your typical volume or on/off buttons, but once the consumer "learns" how to use it, there's no going back. Apple typically find the best way to mesh hardware with software, and the iPod is a rousing success BECAUSE OF iTunes.
Of you that own a Zune, how do you like the WMP11 ripoff ZunePlayer? I'm a MS fan/defender of software, but WMP and ZunePlayer are just to cumbersome compared to iTunes, which thinks for you.
And the Zune cannot compare to the iPhone/Touch models. Over the holidays an uncle of ours got a Nano for the kids and Touch for himself so he could listen to his music and browse the web with WiFi. The experience went something like this: "How do you turn this on? Oh... How do you unlock... *slides finger on "button"* Oh... wow, that is really neat. Hey check this out everyone..." and the learning experience grows and grows. He's never ripped a CD in his life, but in minutes, he popped one in his PC, fired up iTunes and had it on his iPod with no hassle at all.
I'm not totally knocking the Zune, as it is a clever little device with nice features, but there are lots of other junk players out there, and when it comes to 3rd party accessories, you're going to have a tough time finding them for anything but the iPod. The other uphill battle for the Zune is the rabid Apple loyalists who will buy anything Job's can slap into metrosexual-looking, contemporary packing. In that regard, Steve can be as conceited as he would like to.
(Leaves floor open to Blu-Ray fanatics to take over.)
Wow, so many comments filling head... gonna... explode. I guess I'll just leave it to I have had a very bad experience with iTunes. The whole "thinking for you" is extremely annoying to me because it just doesn't do what I want it to do. Not to mention it locking up every time you connect/disconnect your iPod. Furthermore, the mindset that the iPod is an extension of your library is the exact opposite of my mindset. The reason I have an iPod is so I can put all my stuff on the iPod without having to let it take up space on my computer. The thing is that I just expect more from the product that cost way more than other players of the same quality. iTunes just seems to expect the user to do what it wants to do. Sure nothing is perfect, but I just don't like Jobs acting like his whole line of products is superior to everything else.
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Do you even know anyone who owns a Zune?
Nope... My friends don't even know what a Zune is. They all have iPods,even the guys that don't listen to music :S
Zune isn't going to get anywhere unless they start advertising like Apple(on a bigger scale). They gotta get "the word" out better.
I myself have a 30GB Video and it was a little odd ad first, but now it's all I know. They aren't cheap but it's not like they're crap. I really like mine anyways(except for the HDD part, oh well). I need a bigger one now :P
Oh, and if you're going to use iTunes, use it on OS X if ever possible... On my Mac partition it runs very fast and stuff and on all of my PCs including the other half of my iMac it runs like gabbage. They've never been able to get it right, for me anyways. I'm pretty sure you all knew that by now though right?
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Apples "HD" content still looks like crap compared to bluray on my tv so unless they can magically make movies in 1080p that would be a decent size for downloading, i wouldnt call bluray a complete failure.
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I'm not totally knocking the Zune, as it is a clever little device with nice features, but there are lots of other junk players out there
lol. love that great "back-handed" compliment.
Seriously, though, I received a Zune for Christmas, and I'm totally enjoying it.
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19. January 2008 @ 04:31 |
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DL=DRM'd crap. Anyone touting this as "the way" needs their heads checked. But then again Jobs and his minions(fanboys) only want this because they have no other way to compete. Then again why are they trying to compete? They're nothing more that a greedy middle man who provides you with nothing more than LIMITED content.
JOBS STFU and go make me an apple pie. I can't wait till I read the headline that Amazon.com over takes itunes.
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Meh I love my Zune 1, people ask when they see it if it is an Ipod, I just say no it's like an Ipod, does all the same stuff but at half the price :P
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Those peeps who want to rent actual discs do you like to watch and listen skipping films and sounds too? I wouldn't like to rent a movie and see how the disc is destroyed with scratches.
For a downloadable movie it doesn't matter if the movie is rent like 200 times it's still in same mint condition it was in the first place.
It's also cheaper and faster too for instance if you need a car to rent movies.
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19. January 2008 @ 07:18 |
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Downloading things has a limit. My computer doesn't only hold videos, it also holds files, music, picture and programs. Meaning I wouldn't have enough space for HD movies, well yea I can buy a new HDD, but that like $250 for a 500gb, and HD movies have pretty BIG sizes. Plus the videos also have prices. An I don't know what is the average size for 1080p videos, but I'm sure their above 4gb. To me thats pretty big.
And how LONG will it take to download something that big? 4-6 hours if you have internet connection as fast as japan. An average person would rather have a hard copy. And blu-ray has a scratch proof surface,so it won't get damage that easily. And I only know one person that has a zune, I don't really like the design of it. Rather stick to an ipod.
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Why back either? Their both absolutely horrible portable media players in my opinion.
One one hand you get an overpriced, over styled, typical piece of Apple hardware that tries so hard to be different it falls flat on its ass. It costs twice to threes more than an equivalent player from iRiver or Creative yet has a 20% failure rate among most models, horrible battery life, insanely overpriced and useless accessories and pointless capacities like 80Gb-160Gb.... ?? Who honestly needs to carry around with them that much music?
Couldn't see a use for that unless your planning to circumnavigate the Earth in a wooden raft.
On the other hand MS go out and design a proprietary Mp3 player which technically sounds a lot better than Apple with wireless syncing, wide codec support and a decent price, but then they give it a typical "MS makeover" and load with so much DRM, proprietary software and nonsense that your swimming in bloatware. Apparently you can't even use the Zune as a USB storage device...
Their both so overhyped and ridiculously pointless I don't see why everyone makes such a big deal out of them.
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Originally posted by rainofire:
Downloading things has a limit. My computer doesn't only hold videos, it also holds files, music, picture and programs. Meaning I wouldn't have enough space for HD movies, well yea I can buy a new HDD, but that like $250 for a 500gb, and HD movies have pretty BIG sizes. Plus the videos also have prices. An I don't know what is the average size for 1080p videos, but I'm sure their above 4gb. To me thats pretty big.
And how LONG will it take to download something that big? 4-6 hours if you have internet connection as fast as japan. An average person would rather have a hard copy. And blu-ray has a scratch proof surface,so it won't get damage that easily. And I only know one person that has a zune, I don't really like the design of it. Rather stick to an ipod.
add the fact that not all pc's can actually play an Hd file, so stevie what where u saying? blu ray get the player pay a monthly fee watch as much movies as u want :0
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According to George Ou over at ZDNet low bitrate 720p downloads come with a caveat:
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The only time 4 mbps 720p will look better than 8 mbps 480i is when the video on the screen is almost entirely stationary or it?s a low-complexity video such as animation movies. Under most normal circumstances, the low bit-rate 720p so-called ?HD? video will be inferior though many companies are betting that consumers won?t know any better...
...consumers must be aware of the fact that they?re slightly worse than a 1080p up-converted DVD.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=959&tag=nl.e622
So it's up to you to decide:
$230 for the Apple TV box
$4 - $5 for a movie that you can watch within a 24 hour period then it's deleted from your box.
Picture quality that's inferior to upconverted DVD and inferior to broadcast HD.
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According to George Ou over at ZDNet low bitrate 720p downloads come with a caveat:
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The only time 4 mbps 720p will look better than 8 mbps 480i is when the video on the screen is almost entirely stationary or it?s a low-complexity video such as animation movies. Under most normal circumstances, the low bit-rate 720p so-called ?HD? video will be inferior though many companies are betting that consumers won?t know any better...
...consumers must be aware of the fact that they?re slightly worse than a 1080p up-converted DVD.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=959&tag=nl.e622
So it's up to you to decide:
$230 for the Apple TV box
$4 - $5 for a movie that you can watch within a 24 hour period then it's deleted from your box.
Picture quality that's inferior to upconverted DVD and inferior to broadcast HD.
Very informal post i'll choose either HD format before i choose Apple.
juankerr
Thxs for cleaning that up,Great info also.
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Okay, so you release a laptop as thin as a sheet of paper and an 8GB phone (technology which has been around for over 2 years in Japan, without the touchscreen)and now you're the man? Give me a break, Apple went through 5 generations of iPods before they got it right, Zune is just starting and it's gaining popularity. As for Blu-Ray, that's starting too, who's leading in sales again? Oh, yeah, Blu-Ray! And didn't a huge company just sign on exclusively with Blu-Ray? Steve, get your sh!t straight and don't be cocky!
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