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article published on 21 January, 2008
With Warner Brothers jumping on board the Blu-ray bandwagon, studios and consumer electronics manufacturers aren't the only ones starting to think about the end to the so-called war between the two supposed "next-gen" optical movie formats. Retailers, who have consistently said they don't expect to see a serious market as long as both formats are around, are starting to in anticipation of ... [ read the full article ]
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samshizze
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21. January 2008 @ 00:49 |
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HD-DVD should just give in. Why continue to push a format that is going to lose and become useless? Guess they dont care about the customer very much. Sucks that all those people who bought the HD player for Xbox360 will have to buy a Bluray player in the near future. Good thing I bought a PS3 instead :)
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21. January 2008 @ 01:07 |
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finally a member i can agree with, i wouldnt be suprised if HD-DVD pulled the plug in one week
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Bladerz05
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21. January 2008 @ 01:41 |
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lol and jobbs said blu-ray was a failed format not too long ago....hah how about another failed crapple product like the ipod touch. anyways thats off topic, i seriously doubt hd-dvd will become the next betamax just purely for the reason of dual format players, warner will take their side, universal will take theirs, and in the end the consumer still gets there high definition disc
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ZeusAV
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21. January 2008 @ 02:16 |
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I've noticed many retailers in my local area increasing the size of their BR shelf space at the expense of HD-DVD.
Wal-Mart has almost double the space for BR compared to HDDVD
The same is true for the Hollywood video and Blockbuster in my area
Target has double the space for BR as well
Best Buy and Circuit City still have about the same for each format
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xtago
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21. January 2008 @ 03:20 |
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I take it this is from a website that uses quotes from an interview?
Because HD-DVD is just about dead in the US market.
This week Blu-Ray did 82% sales compared to 18% HD-DVD sales the sales for HD-DVD have gone down majorly plus a lot of people who bought a HD-DVD player have been returning them in droves.
The Warner Bros market means Blu-Ray owns 80% of the retail market in the US now.
All the Studios in Germany have gone Blu-Ray.
Japan have publicly stated they are Blu-Ray only.
Australia is 95+% Blu-Ray market.
So I'd hardly say there's a format war.
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hughjars
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21. January 2008 @ 08:11 |
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That headline should read 'High St. retailers make way.....'
On-line retailers have plentiful stocks of HD DVD movies
(which, I might add and in contrast to all the 'fire-sale' BS, they are not selling off particularly cheaply either).
Oh there's a format war alright......you only have to look at the comments of the Blu-ray fanclub desperately trying to talk up their preferred format & talk over anyone else that dares say different.
(what a give-away)
Traditional shops might not have a massive HD DVD presence
(but then again it's all relative, the Blu-ray section in every shop I've ever seen with one is an extremely tiny fraction of the total space compared to the SD DVD section).
But so what?
I, like just about everyone I know (even those with a Blu-ray player) buy on-line these days and save a small fortune and buy where there is always stock of what I want available.
Blu-ray may well be the bigger presence in the old & dying form of retailing but I doubt it matters too much.
HD DVD can be found cheaper and in far wider & bigger stock on-line.
Sorry to disappoint the Blu-ray fanclub but HD DVD will be here next week, it'll be here next month & it'll be here next year and the year after that.
It isn't going away.
Some of the younger members might care to consider this;
2 years into the 1st video tape format wars VHS was pronounced dead
(and by the same people - only then it was Sony's Betamax product).....
......and look what happened there.
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21. January 2008 @ 10:20 |
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Originally posted by hughjars:
That headline should read 'High St. retailers make way.....'
On-line retailers have plentiful stocks of HD DVD movies
(which, I might add and in contrast to all the 'fire-sale' BS, they are not selling off particularly cheaply either).
Oh there's a format war alright......you only have to look at the comments of the Blu-ray fanclub desperately trying to talk up their preferred format & talk over anyone else that dares say different.
(what a give-away)
Traditional shops might not have a massive HD DVD presence
(but then again it's all relative, the Blu-ray section in every shop I've ever seen with one is an extremely tiny fraction of the total space compared to the SD DVD section).
But so what?
I, like just about everyone I know (even those with a Blu-ray player) buy on-line these days and save a small fortune and buy where there is always stock of what I want available.
Blu-ray may well be the bigger presence in the old & dying form of retailing but I doubt it matters too much.
HD DVD can be found cheaper and in far wider & bigger stock on-line.
Sorry to disappoint the Blu-ray fanclub but HD DVD will be here next week, it'll be here next month & it'll be here next year and the year after that.
It isn't going away.
Some of the younger members might care to consider this;
2 years into the 1st video tape format wars VHS was pronounced dead
(and by the same people - only then it was Sony's Betamax product).....
......and look what happened there.
dude sony won get over it
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iamgq
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21. January 2008 @ 10:21 |
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Originally posted by hughjars:
That headline should read 'High St. retailers make way.....'
On-line retailers have plentiful stocks of HD DVD movies
(which, I might add and in contrast to all the 'fire-sale' BS, they are not selling off particularly cheaply either).
Oh there's a format war alright......you only have to look at the comments of the Blu-ray fanclub desperately trying to talk up their preferred format & talk over anyone else that dares say different.
(what a give-away)
Traditional shops might not have a massive HD DVD presence
(but then again it's all relative, the Blu-ray section in every shop I've ever seen with one is an extremely tiny fraction of the total space compared to the SD DVD section).
But so what?
I, like just about everyone I know (even those with a Blu-ray player) buy on-line these days and save a small fortune and buy where there is always stock of what I want available.
Blu-ray may well be the bigger presence in the old & dying form of retailing but I doubt it matters too much.
HD DVD can be found cheaper and in far wider & bigger stock on-line.
Sorry to disappoint the Blu-ray fanclub but HD DVD will be here next week, it'll be here next month & it'll be here next year and the year after that.
It isn't going away.
Some of the younger members might care to consider this;
2 years into the 1st video tape format wars VHS was pronounced dead
(and by the same people - only then it was Sony's Betamax product).....
......and look what happened there.
What you smoking brotha!? pASS THAT bleep
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21. January 2008 @ 10:30 |
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hughjar's i have to give it to you. You have stuck to your guns on this. If nobody havent told you definitely have a future as a reporter or news caster of some sort. But on to the topic. I have been to about 7 stores over the weekend in my area and all of which have tried to sale me Blu-ray stuff. I asked 2 of the sales reps what did they prefer they all said Blu-ray. They agreed with most people on here about HD-DVD being a dying source for HD movies. I think they should stick with the plans to sell HD-DVD movies via download. Thats a market they may be profitable in if they market and sell it at a good price.
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vinny13
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21. January 2008 @ 10:59 |
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Originally posted by hughjars:
That headline should read 'High St. retailers make way.....'
On-line retailers have plentiful stocks of HD DVD movies
(which, I might add and in contrast to all the 'fire-sale' BS, they are not selling off particularly cheaply either).
Oh there's a format war alright......you only have to look at the comments of the Blu-ray fanclub desperately trying to talk up their preferred format & talk over anyone else that dares say different.
(what a give-away)
Traditional shops might not have a massive HD DVD presence
(but then again it's all relative, the Blu-ray section in every shop I've ever seen with one is an extremely tiny fraction of the total space compared to the SD DVD section).
But so what?
I, like just about everyone I know (even those with a Blu-ray player) buy on-line these days and save a small fortune and buy where there is always stock of what I want available.
Blu-ray may well be the bigger presence in the old & dying form of retailing but I doubt it matters too much.
HD DVD can be found cheaper and in far wider & bigger stock on-line.
Sorry to disappoint the Blu-ray fanclub but HD DVD will be here next week, it'll be here next month & it'll be here next year and the year after that.
It isn't going away.
Some of the younger members might care to consider this;
2 years into the 1st video tape format wars VHS was pronounced dead
(and by the same people - only then it was Sony's Betamax product).....
......and look what happened there.
How the hell could HD-DVD win when they don't even have any adds to explain wtf it is. If they had adds for the Toshiba players saying that they're only $130 I'm pretty sure people would buy them (knowing that they're just like Blu-Ray).
I think Blu-Ray is going to win just because right now it has so much support by multiple companies and studios. In 6 months once Warner is exclusive I don't see how they come back if they continue like this.
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21. January 2008 @ 11:30 |
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Originally posted by hughjars:
That headline should read 'High St. retailers make way.....'
On-line retailers have plentiful stocks of HD DVD movies
(which, I might add and in contrast to all the 'fire-sale' BS, they are not selling off particularly cheaply either).
Oh there's a format war alright......you only have to look at the comments of the Blu-ray fanclub desperately trying to talk up their preferred format & talk over anyone else that dares say different.
(what a give-away)
Traditional shops might not have a massive HD DVD presence
(but then again it's all relative, the Blu-ray section in every shop I've ever seen with one is an extremely tiny fraction of the total space compared to the SD DVD section).
But so what?
I, like just about everyone I know (even those with a Blu-ray player) buy on-line these days and save a small fortune and buy where there is always stock of what I want available.
Blu-ray may well be the bigger presence in the old & dying form of retailing but I doubt it matters too much.
HD DVD can be found cheaper and in far wider & bigger stock on-line.
Sorry to disappoint the Blu-ray fanclub but HD DVD will be here next week, it'll be here next month & it'll be here next year and the year after that.
It isn't going away.
Some of the younger members might care to consider this;
2 years into the 1st video tape format wars VHS was pronounced dead
(and by the same people - only then it was Sony's Betamax product).....
......and look what happened there.
I'm sure you can still buy Betamax tapes, cassettes, 8 tracks, mini discs, and VHS tapes online somewhere. But it doesn't mean they're are still in use or even desired. You can find alot of junk online.
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21. January 2008 @ 11:38 |
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Its kinda fun to listen to all the sony/PS3 fanboys go on about Blueray now. These will be the same idiots complaining when they can't make "backups" of their movies, or when they find out their player isn't compatible with one of Sony's latest "protection schemes." HD DVD is dead, I'll agree with them there however. Congrats guys, you picked a format that will limit your rights as a consumer.
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85:15 Nielsen/VideoScan Weekly Sales Numbers
Nielsen/VideoScan Numbers ending January 13th
http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/ques...2008/index.php
WE: BD-85% HDD-15% YTD: BD-74% HDD-26% SI: BD-63% HDD-37%
Looking at the Nielsen/VideoScan numbers & see that its a clear picture that BD is going to be the next media to rival SD-DVD.This isn't anything new retailers have been making extra room for BD since last summer.The numbers spoke the truth thats all they had to look at.I don't see why anyone that backed HD-DVD was shocked. How much clearer the picture could have been ?
Originally posted by llongtheD:
Its kinda fun to listen to all the sony/PS3 fanboys go on about Blueray now. These will be the same idiots complaining when they can't make "backups" of their movies, or when they find out their player isn't compatible with one of Sony's latest "protection schemes." HD DVD is dead, I'll agree with them there however. Congrats guys, you picked a format that will limit your rights as a consumer.
What reason would anyone have to back there disc up? BD comes with a coating that protect them from scratches & etc.....So whats the reason to backup disc now ? Since BD+ launched BDA only had one issue with two disc which was the first two that launched Fantastic 4:Rise of the silver surfer & Day after tomorrow.Those issues was resolved with firmware a fix since then there have been 22 BD+ disc on the market with no issue what so ever so i guess this put to rest all the BS about BD+ shutting down players which i find a very weak & laughable excuse.
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21. January 2008 @ 12:36 |
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Heh. DVD had a scrach resistant coating too so did cd's. Whats worse is blu-ray has smaller pits smaller pits mean littler scatches to screw up the disc. back-ups are more important now than they have ever been.
Copy Protection doesnt phase me this BD+ is nothing more than a hardwire protection. people are just afraid of it because software hacks on it wont work. all it means is that. it stops average joe.
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Originally posted by DXR88:
Heh. DVD had a scrach resistant coating too so did cd's. Whats worse is blu-ray has smaller pits smaller pits mean littler scatches to screw up the disc. back-ups are more important now than they have ever been.
Copy Protection doesnt phase me this BD+ is nothing more than a hardwire protection. people are just afraid of it because software hacks on it wont work. all it means is that. it stops average joe.
I agree there are still plenty of ways around the whole coping issue with Blu-ray and HD-dvd. I dont see it as a issue for myself. I think the more BLu-ray is on the market the easier it will be to use various softwares to backup your movies. Just give it time.
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Originally posted by DXR88:
Heh. DVD had a scrach resistant coating too so did cd's. Whats worse is blu-ray has smaller pits smaller pits mean littler scatches to screw up the disc. back-ups are more important now than they have ever been.
Copy Protection doesnt phase me this BD+ is nothing more than a hardwire protection. people are just afraid of it because software hacks on it wont work. all it means is that. it stops average joe.
Your right DVD did have a scratch resistant coating but nowhere near the protection that BD has on it.Check out this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5jEbZt6AIQ
Glad im not the only one that doesn't have a issue with BD+.
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I hope so Nexgen76 There gona need like clear titanium on the back of that thing.
i was sceptical of BD+ at first know i now how it works, what it does
and how to break it. simply put if you go for the level 3 hardware protection turn it off, level 1 becomes crippled useless, then level 2 wich is AACS has been defeated shouldent be no problim.
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samshizze
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21. January 2008 @ 13:54 |
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I remember reading some interview with Bill Gates. Where he says hes not bothered at all by the fact that HD-DVD may lose the format war. He believes in time, both will be obsolete and everyone will get their movies from downloading at lightning speeds on the internet. Would search for the link, but gotta go to work soon.
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Bladerz05
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21. January 2008 @ 14:53 |
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Originally posted by hughjars:
That headline should read 'High St. retailers make way.....'
On-line retailers have plentiful stocks of HD DVD movies
(which, I might add and in contrast to all the 'fire-sale' BS, they are not selling off particularly cheaply either).
Oh there's a format war alright......you only have to look at the comments of the Blu-ray fanclub desperately trying to talk up their preferred format & talk over anyone else that dares say different.
(what a give-away)
Traditional shops might not have a massive HD DVD presence
(but then again it's all relative, the Blu-ray section in every shop I've ever seen with one is an extremely tiny fraction of the total space compared to the SD DVD section).
But so what?
I, like just about everyone I know (even those with a Blu-ray player) buy on-line these days and save a small fortune and buy where there is always stock of what I want available.
Blu-ray may well be the bigger presence in the old & dying form of retailing but I doubt it matters too much.
HD DVD can be found cheaper and in far wider & bigger stock on-line.
Sorry to disappoint the Blu-ray fanclub but HD DVD will be here next week, it'll be here next month & it'll be here next year and the year after that.
It isn't going away.
Some of the younger members might care to consider this;
2 years into the 1st video tape format wars VHS was pronounced dead
(and by the same people - only then it was Sony's Betamax product).....
......and look what happened there.
lol, it looks more like the hd-dvd fanclub (hughjars) is desperately trying to talk up their preferred format & talk over anyone else that dares say different.
oh well, at leaast i wasnt the one to buy into the failed format.
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redux79
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21. January 2008 @ 15:38 |
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At this point the idea of backing up blu-ray is rather redundant. The blank media is too expensive and there are several other stumbling blocks that prevent anyone from copying or playing a copy of a blu-ray discs. The only option in the foreseeable future is to have an htpc capable of displaying 1080p, along with a whole hell of a lot of hard drive space. This in the end stops the average consumer from even attempting to backup blu-ray.
Yes actual physical backups of a movie are important; I never lend out or trust anyone with my sd originals. The same thing goes for cd's if someone wants to borrow one I?ll gladly lend out my backups. Sure enough when my backup is returned there's any combination of soda/yager/potato chip grease and of course the scratches and gouges on what was a spotless clean disc the last time I saw it. Yes you can clean it and it will still play, but you?re still glad that it's not your original.
My point being if and when blu-ray becomes main stream I don't want to have to be an a-hole to my friends that take less than stellar care of their media. Everyone knows someone who has all their dvd's, games, and cd's stacked in random piles throughout their house/apartment. I've fixed dozens of pc/console games, dvd's/cd's with my skip doctor automax, and just as many were beyond repair.
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Everyone knows someone who has all their dvd's, games, and cd's stacked in random piles throughout their house/apartment. I've fixed dozens of pc/console games, dvd's/cd's with my skip doctor automax, and just as many were beyond repair.
well thats why blu-ray has a protective layer, so it wont get scrached that easily
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well thats why blu-ray has a protective layer, so it wont get scrached that easily
Even if the new protective layer is more scratch resistant I'll still be hesitant to lend out originals. I'm not sure if it's the multiple layers or the protective coating but neither hd-dvd nor blu-ray can be resurfaced, it essentially kills the disc completely. Although I highly doubt blu-ray is any more scratch resistant than other media I'll give it the benefit of the doubt until it's been around for a while longer.
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Nexgen76 i watched The YT Vid Not impressed you see. first things first he got 10-15 seconds into the movie then he did some more tests. another thing is he never Scratched The laser Starting point so you would have seen nothing the first 10-i5 seconds into it.
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21. January 2008 @ 17:06 |
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Originally posted by llongtheD:
Its kinda fun to listen to all the sony/PS3 fanboys go on about Blueray now. These will be the same idiots complaining when they can't make "backups" of their movies, or when they find out their player isn't compatible with one of Sony's latest "protection schemes." HD DVD is dead, I'll agree with them there however. Congrats guys, you picked a format that will limit your rights as a consumer.
You can't freely copy dvd's now without have some sort of decryption program like anydvd. So why would BD be any different? There will always be ways to get around drm. I'm not saying it won't be harder since the newer players are expected to have their firmware updated regularly. That's one of the reasons we have sites like this. Studios aren't ever going to sell you a movie on dvd or what ever and say "here do whatever you want to with it".
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21. January 2008 @ 17:17 |
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HD-dvd used the block by block incryption scheme + AACS
also modding you blu-ray player like a game console doesnt sound to far fecthed at the moment. it may be you will have to do just that. think about it.
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