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Is HD DVD Dying ???????
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ofield
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11. February 2008 @ 15:52 |
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Hello,
I just received a email from Netflix that states they are no longer going to rent HD DVD Movies and go Exclusively with Blue Ray.
They say they will keep the HD Dvd Titles they have on hand, but
will not be receiving any new ones.
I just bought a HD Dvd Player did I make a Big Mistake......
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aspire180
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11. February 2008 @ 16:49 |
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My opinion (Without a doubt a minority one), is no, you are no screwed.
The Netflix decision hurts but let's face it, they'll do whatever the consumer ultimately decides...And with so many HD-DVD titles in existence over BluRay, it's gonna be a while before it 'disappears'...Plus, if consumers stick with HD-DVD, Netflix and others will flip right back around to make them available.
Moreover, HD-DVD players remain cheaper AND can upconvert standard DVDs (Something BluRay cannot do).
So, unless you paid a fortune for your HD-DVD player, I think you're fine.
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juankerr
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11. February 2008 @ 16:53 |
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Originally posted by aspire180:
Moreover, HD-DVD players remain cheaper AND can upconvert standard DVDs (Something BluRay cannot do).
Ummm, not true.
All BluRay players including the PS3 can upconvert standard DVD's.
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11. February 2008 @ 21:25 |
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I use Netflix and just checked out the site. Where does it say they no longer will carry HD-DVD? It is still on the site as being available. I see an article on the Blu-Ray site, but cannot find it at Netflix.
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11. February 2008 @ 22:30 |
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Was in Yahoo! News earlier today. HD DVD will be phased out thru attrition apparently.
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Bohefus
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11. February 2008 @ 23:45 |
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Doesn't look good!! But who know's what will happen..
This is an email I just recieved today
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goodswipe
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12. February 2008 @ 10:27 |
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Hmm, I wonder what they will be doing with all their HD DVD media? I sure would like to pick up w/e they are getting rid of.
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eatsushi
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12. February 2008 @ 10:40 |
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Originally posted by goodswipe:
Hmm, I wonder what they will be doing with all their HD DVD media? I sure would like to pick up w/e they are getting rid of.
I wouldn't pick up anything with a scratch. My last 9 or 10 HD DVD rentals from them had varying degrees of scratching and smudging. Each and every one of them had moderate to severe skipping and stuttering problems and at least 2 were unplayable at some point.
All my BluRay rentals from Netflix and Blockbuster had the same scratches and smudges but because of the hard coating there were no playback problems.
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12. February 2008 @ 10:57 |
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Originally posted by eatsushi:
Originally posted by goodswipe:
Hmm, I wonder what they will be doing with all their HD DVD media? I sure would like to pick up w/e they are getting rid of.
I wouldn't pick up anything with a scratch. My last 9 or 10 HD DVD rentals from them had varying degrees of scratching and smudging. Each and every one of them had moderate to severe skipping and stuttering problems and at least 2 were unplayable at some point.
All my BluRay rentals from Netflix and Blockbuster had the same scratches and smudges but because of the hard coating there were no playback problems.
Sorry to hear that but, I never had that problem. Biggest problem I had with Netflix was when those stupid bastards would send me the SD version instead of the HD DVD version. If they were selling them for 5-10 dollars, I would definitely pick up a few titles.
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14. February 2008 @ 22:08 |
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Personally, I would make a statement by closing your account and going elsewhere. I would also make it a point to them that the reason your leaving is because of their decision to dump HD-DVD.
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15. February 2008 @ 21:04 |
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It doesn't really matter what you do, it's gone. You had to know that one of them was going to go away. It was a matter of time.
Once the movie companies move to one format, and they are, it's over. Even Microsoft put out a statement a couple of weeks ago saying that at least there is still time for them to move to support Blue-Ray.
And today on the news, I saw that Walmart was going to be exclusively selling Blue-Ray equipment starting this June. The retailers knew it was coming, so they are now preparing for it.
Hell, we could see it coming. When the cost of HD-DVD players dropped in price by 25% in 2007, that was a sign for me.
I was waiting for a clearcut winner before jumping on board. I know now that it is Blue-Ray, so I will buy soon. I made the mistake of buying a BETA VCR back in the day, so I didn't want to get into anoher 50/50 draw with that much money.
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mbenson
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15. February 2008 @ 21:26 |
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I can't find an exact link, but it was Time Warner that went to Blue ray exclusively..
<a href="http://reviews.cnet.com/5420-13817_7-0.html?forumID=104&messageID=2556545&threadID=169542">here</a> is a link to CNET's quick guide: HD-DVD vs. Blu-ray which shows a list of companies following them..
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aspire180
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19. February 2008 @ 16:33 |
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All this format war has proven is that money talks, not the consumer or the technology...With all the studios lining up one direction and merchants as well, consumers had no say in what happened.
And for those quick to jump into BluRay players, remember this...The players won't be dropping in price anytime soon with no competition.
Personally, I have a small collection of HD-DVDs and can still play standard DVDs...As long as I can see Planet Earth in HD, I'm content.
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19. February 2008 @ 16:42 |
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@ aspire, don't forget to check out DeepDiscount.com for some excellent deals on HD DVD. Prices range from 12 dollars to 26 dollars on all their HD DVD media. ;)
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eatsushi
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19. February 2008 @ 16:46 |
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Originally posted by aspire180:
And for those quick to jump into BluRay players, remember this...The players won't be dropping in price anytime soon with no competition.
Actually you have it the other way around.
With HD DVD there was only Toshiba and no one else. They had no competition and they artificially lowered the prices of hardware so much so that it became unprofitable for anyone else to manufacture or develop HD DVD players. In the end it contributed to their demise. (HT to error5)
Remember that the Venturer and the Onkyo were actually rebadged Toshibas.
With BluRay there is competition and it will be between the different hardware makers: Panasonic, Sony, Pioneer, Samsung, Denon, Sharp, Philips, Harman Kardon etc. PLUS, as revealed at CES 2008, a yet unnamed Chinese maker.
The current hardware prices of BluRay players are more reasonable for a 2 year old, relatively new piece of technology. The hardware manufacturers are able to sustain growth and profitability and are able to fund further R&D to improve their product. Eventually prices should come down.
Toshiba's prices were unrealistically low that it created an illusion that high def hardware can be sustainable at those levels. The losses they incurred and the final death of the format showed otherwise.
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ofield
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20. February 2008 @ 01:43 |
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Well Let's Be Honest,
The Playstation 3 won the Blue Ray War not the overpriced bugged
players. I truly believe if the playstation3 didn't include Blue
Ray. Blue Ray would have been in real trouble........
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aspire180
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20. February 2008 @ 12:44 |
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Exactly.
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21. February 2008 @ 03:10 |
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eatsushi, a well informed and thoughtful post as always. From my understanding, it usually takes a few years before any new major technological advancement starts making profit.
Your post has highlighted the ever apparant bombardment from the HD-DVD camp that Blu-ray players are over priced. As your post indicates it was the artificial reduction of HD-DVD hardware (born out of desperation to clear stock before it folds) that set an unrealistic benchmark among consumers to expect this wonderful new technology at next to regular DVD hardware prices.
Doesn't anybody remember how much regular DVD players were when they were first introduced into the market? Why is it that we expect it to be different this time?
Originally posted by ofield:
Well Let's Be Honest,
The Playstation 3 won the Blue Ray War not the overpriced bugged
players. I truly believe if the playstation3 didn't include Blue
Ray. Blue Ray would have been in real trouble........
I agree with that but on the flip side. See my post here to explain my thoughts better... http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump.cfm/628934/3814116 (3rd & 4th paragraph)
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21. February 2008 @ 09:15 |
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Originally posted by ofield:
Well Let's Be Honest,
The Playstation 3 won the Blue Ray War not the overpriced bugged
players. I truly believe if the playstation3 didn't include Blue
Ray. Blue Ray would have been in real trouble........
Without getting into a console fight, some people would say the same thing if HD-DVD came out on top.
The bottom line is, that, the marketing for the technologies is how we decide. And we, the consumer, decided. Not everyone buys something because it is better. More people are buying into Blu-ray, so it wins. Some people bought into it because of the PS3, some liked the name. Whatever.
I liked HD-DVD, based on the technical specs. I had guessed that HD-DVD would win, but my idea of a better product doesn't mean they are going to win. That's why I waited.
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eatsushi
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21. February 2008 @ 11:08 |
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Thanks Ryu77.
Here's a little bit of proof (at least in the UK) that Blu player prices are not necessarily going up.
http://www.t3.com/news/blu-ray-player-sales-up-seven-fold?=35296
Blu-ray player sales up seven-fold
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Play.com big-boss-man tells T3 that new Blu-ray punters have sky-rocketed, since the end of the format war.
Those cagey folk who refused to hedge their bets in Hi-Def Match showdown sure didn't waste much time once Toshiba closed the door on HD-DVD, this week.
Play's Stuart Rowe informs us that on VHD (Victory in Hi-Def) Day this Tuesday, the company sold more Blu-ray players than in the previous week combined.
"There was a seven fold increase in Blu-ray player sales, on that day alone." said the Chief Operating Officer.
"People have been waiting a long time to move into the Hi-Def era and now they have the confidence that this is going to be the format.
"Our cheapest player (The Samsung BD-P1400/XEU) is now £199 and you'd expect the prices to come down further as Sony try and build the brand. It's all great news for the consumer."
"The emergence of a single, high-definition format is cause for consumers, as well as the entire entertainment industry, to celebrate."
-Craig Kornblau, president of Universal Home Entertainment Feb 19, 2008
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21. February 2008 @ 14:11 |
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way back when,some bought vhs and some bought betamax.try thinking of hddvd as betamax.shit happens.my condolences.
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aspire180
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21. February 2008 @ 15:22 |
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What about the argument that BluRay players were never really 'ready' for distribution in that they are still in a state of upgrades (Most of which are incapable of being firmwared up either)?
Say what you will about HD-DVD but they were ready for use and were upgradeable by firmware updates...If you own a BluRay player now, it won't be useful next year.
Me thinks there will be yet another battle for a 'format' soon enough, anyway
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eatsushi
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21. February 2008 @ 16:02 |
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Originally posted by aspire180:
What about the argument that BluRay players were never really 'ready' for distribution in that they are still in a state of upgrades (Most of which are incapable of being firmwared up either)?
You are correct in saying that BluRay's specs were not finalized when first released. However, if the BDA waited for the specs to be finalized then HD DVD would have had too much market penetration that BluRay would not have had a chance to compete. In a way the BDA's hand was forced by the earlier release of HD DVD.
Remember also that even HD DVD players had to have firmware updates to "unlock" newer features. I still remember how ecstatic I was when I updated my A1 to enable Dolby True HD 5.1 decoding and when I updated my XA2 to enable 24fps output.
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If you own a BluRay player now, it won't be useful next year.
Not really. Profile 1.0 players can still play the main features of 1.1 and 2.0 releases. You can still watch the main movie although you can't access the 1.1 or 2.0 features. For those who don't care for extras a 1.0 player is sufficient for them.
Note: One of our senior members (dblbogey7) has field tested the first 2.0 disc (Saw IV) on his profile 1.0 Panasonic and on his friend's profile 1.0 Sony. He reports that the movie plays just fine as well as the non 2.0 extras. Other users in other forums also report no problems with 1.1 and 2.0 discs in their 1.0 players.
Besides, most if not all the profile 1.0 owners are surely the early adopters. They have the disposable income to try the first version of a product and they are the type of consumers that are always looking to upgrade. I'm sure that practically all of them are watching out for the next generation of upcoming 1.1 and 2.0 players.
Like dblbogey7 said: "I'm getting the 2.0 Panasonic DMP-BD50 and moving my 1.0 DMP-BD10 to the bedroom." I myself am looking at the upcoming Denon or Marantz when I upgrade.
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