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Xbox 360 not adopting Blu-ray
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article published on 13 March, 2008
After the obvious abandoning of HD DVD, Microsoft was said to be in talks with Sony to get a Blu-ray drive for Xbox 360. As we reported last week, Sony boss Stan Glasgow said in an interview with Financial Times that they were negotiating about a Blu-ray drive with Microsoft. At the same time Microsoft's Steve Ballmer gave Blu-ray the green light, but that was only for Windows, not Xbox 360.
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DoomLight
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13. March 2008 @ 08:19 |
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like i said in the previous article. 360 doesnt need it. too many 360 users out there already. installing a new drive in the system would alienate the existing users.
if Msoft goes blu, it would be for the next system. not this one.
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vinny13
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13. March 2008 @ 08:19 |
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I think GTA will sell more PS3 then 360 consoles lol
Graphics are probably better after this long and the only plus about the 360 is that you get to download some extra crap that you have to pay for :P
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vinny13
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13. March 2008 @ 08:21 |
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Originally posted by DoomLight:
like i said in the previous article. 360 doesnt need it. too many 360 users out there already. installing a new drive in the system would alienate the existing users.
if Msoft goes blu, it would be for the next system. not this one.
They're talking about an attachment lol
They'd screw a lot of people over if they were to just start building it into some new revision...
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jookycola
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13. March 2008 @ 09:48 |
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Originally posted by DoomLight:
like i said in the previous article. 360 doesnt need it. too many 360 users out there already. installing a new drive in the system would alienate the existing users.
if Msoft goes blu, it would be for the next system. not this one.
Hmm, i never really thought of it that way. Your probably right. I loved my 360 but had ring of death twice. so I decided till next x-mas to get another. Both to wait out if they could for sure fix the problem, and to see if maybe a blu-ray edittion came out.
But i guess your right, that would suck if overnight one day everyones 360 became obsolete. But with that much disc space at their disposal my guess is PS3 is on their way to to pass the 360 in a year or so now. The amount of content they can cram on one of those BR discs will blow away anything MS can do with just regular old dual-layer. I guess really it comes down to PS3 will have a few cool looking games, 360 will have a ton of games people will want to play. ;)
That's the only way 360 will be able to hang with PS3 down the road. by bombing the market with twice the quality titles. Sony releases one good game...360 should mob that game with 4 or 5 new ones.
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SProdigy
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13. March 2008 @ 10:07 |
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Everyone is still blinded by the stupid fascination with discs that can hold X amount of data. Please spare us the stupidity! By the time the storage space on Blu-Ray media becomes relevent, it will be time for new consoles.
The next generation will come even closer to PC's and probably make you install the game on a hard drive. Hell, the PS3 already makes you do that for some games!
So what is the real advantage to a Blu-Ray disc that can hold all of this data if you need a hard drive to install to? I know part of it is to help load times, which will probably increase anytime a new media is introduced, since it will have to search more and more data.
I'm sure making game installs the standard would cause a problem with aftermarket sales and game rentals, and that's the only real reason we're not seeing it yet. (More DRM on the way kiddies!)
IMHO, wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to just release the game on 2 or more DVD's and let us install to an internal drive? Anyone with a modded original Xbox or PS2 can attest to how fast those games load and overall performance versus CD/DVD media. Neither of those systems had bleeding edge processors/memory in them either, compared to today's standards.
Or better yet, maybe the developers can clean up their code so it's not as bloated. I'm sure they've never had to worry about the overhead before. It's called the Big O notation theory and using compressed video with a more than capable codec.
The 360 should already be capable of doing this easily, seeing as it runs a hacked Windows OS and uses wave and windows media for the majority of its media content.
Perhaps the marketplace is just an excuse to sell off the extra content (for more profit I may add) that should already be on the original game disc, rather than take the time or effort to cram it on the media in the first place.
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SProdigy
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13. March 2008 @ 10:13 |
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I also wanted to add, this is most likely the reason Nintendo did not adopt HD content or media for the Wii. They kept system and game costs lower than their competition, and appealed to a broader audience, much of which can't program their microwave clock, rather than try to use a console which has forced itself as the commanding device in your entertainment center.
The move has paid off in the short term, by having a larger installed base than their competitors, which ultimately should pay off for them in the long term as well.
Considering what the Wii has accomplished, with all but one of their games on DVD5 discs (Super Smash Bros. is the exception, on DVD9) I can't say they have had a flawed strategy so far.
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13. March 2008 @ 12:08 |
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I agree about the Wii getting it right. XBL is a huge gold digger. The cost of gaming can easily mount with all of the gimmicks they try to sell you. I want a console to be just a console and not a marketplace portal. I spend $30 to $60 on a game and that's all I spend. Thank goodness for bluray winning, because it made my choice for a PS3 more justifiable.
But back on topic, so what if MS incorporates bluray in future models? It's not like they've had a problem with it before - "it" meaning offering various versions of their system to totally confuse and piss off the customer. They can just offer a bluray add-on. But Sony would be stupid to give that leveling tool to a competitor - and their only competitor in the gaming market right now (if we all agree that the console war is only between MS and Sony based purely on hardware specs and targeted demographic).
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jookycola
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13. March 2008 @ 12:14 |
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Thanks for calling me stupid just to help drive home your baseless fanboy rant. Your so much cooler and smarter than me because you can call other people stupid.
Your point could have been just as easily stated without name calling for no reason other than being an a'hole.
Now. I will agree the coders need to scale back their bloated programs. You have a very good point there. Blu-ray may provide just a crutch so they don't have to. But in the rush to get a title out i doubt any dev will take time to trim anything...not as long as they have a huge amount of disc space they can use...and abuse. And as for hi-def? I think sony and MS were planning ahead and wanted to present their games in the best way possible.
Problem is most people don't have hi-def T.V.s right now. But most T.V's on the market these days offer some form of a higher def than the current analog lines of def. So they may have been right, your next T.V. will be High-def so why not take advantage of that technology?
Fact is as good as the 360 is, the ps3 has the most room to improve over it's 10 year product cycle. The 360 is as good as it's going to get right now. Doesn't make the 360 garbage just, not as cutting edge as it was when it launched 3 years ago now. And as the Wii proves everyday...you don't need "cutting-edge" to sell. The games and content can't speak volumes. And that's something Xbox will always have over Sony. The 360 libray dwarfs PS3's library and will continue to. So as long as MS keeps putting out "more" and better games Sony will always lag behind in sales.
Also not being top technology leader the 360 can continue to cut cost...and further entrench it's self against Sony's machine.
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13. March 2008 @ 12:40 |
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Originally posted by jookycola:
Also not being top technology leader the 360 can continue to cut cost...and further entrench it's self against Sony's machine.
MS can also cut costs because they have a steady stream of income through XBL. Although I hate it, I have to admit that it's a great idea and great way to keep longevity, even if all they decide to do is port PC games. Both consoles are going to grow a lot differently IMO, but that seems like the only logical way to survive. I agree that the 360 has pretty much hit its performance apex, and they probably know that and have had their live content in their back pocket since inception. And there is no real market for them to incorporate a bluray player. Because what did bluray really win? A spot for their trophy? SD will reign for a while. MS incorporating a bluray player would be a pointless expense. I bought my PS3 with the main intent of gaming and bluray as a side thought. If bluray remains stagnant for the next couple of years, at least I have a cutting edge gaming system. If bluray takes off, then I have a built in player and don't have to worry about buying a standalone. In hindsight, the standalone HD player for the 360 was a joke and half-hearted attempt to fuel a fake war.
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13. March 2008 @ 12:47 |
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Then the XBox is dead.
Simple as that.
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13. March 2008 @ 13:21 |
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The number of PS3 games that have to be downloaded to the HDD is negligible due to the fact that it encompasses only the disc release of warhawk. Other games only require a small portion of data which is used to speed up load times. Uncharted Drakes fortune took up nearly 25 gigs and is considered to be one of the most visually impressive console titles ever. Have fun putting that on 3 DVDs and still not be able to fit it on the Xbox 360 HDD without upgrading to an over priced 120 gig HDD .... only to discover the machine lacks the processing power to play it.
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Originally posted by Hunt720:
The number of PS3 games that have to be downloaded to the HDD is negligible due to the fact that it encompasses only the disc release of warhawk. Other games only require a small portion of data which is used to speed up load times. Uncharted Drakes fortune took up nearly 25 gigs and is considered to be one of the most visually impressive console titles ever. Have fun putting that on 3 DVDs and still not be able to fit it on the Xbox 360 HDD without upgrading to an over priced 120 gig HDD .... only to discover the machine lacks the processing power to play it.
Haha.. right on :D !
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SProdigy
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13. March 2008 @ 14:26 |
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Originally posted by jookycola:
Thanks for calling me stupid just to help drive home your baseless fanboy rant. Your so much cooler and smarter than me because you can call other people stupid.
Your point could have been just as easily stated without name calling for no reason other than being an a'hole.
Whoa, cool it. I never came out and said your name buddy. Nor do I ever try to attack people on here. Read below:
Originally posted by SProdigy:
Everyone is still blinded by the stupid fascination with discs that can hold X amount of data. Please spare us the stupidity! By the time the storage space on Blu-Ray media becomes relevent, it will be time for new consoles.
The first word in my post is Everyone. It's in damn near every thread I hear someone bring up X gb on Blu-Ray (or HD-DVD, or DVD, etc.)
I agree with alot, if not all of your points. The devs can be lazier, given more disc space. And there is this huge chemical imbalance between all the systems, given the specs, features, game library, etc. It will be argued until the next consoles come out.
And for Sony to say the PS3, in this day and age, will have a 10 year life expectancy, is absurd. The PS2 came out in 2000, and I would have to say the last year, maybe two, have been less than stellar. I know the console is selling, but look at the games. Sure there were titles like God of War, but honestly, the major developers already shifted gears towards the already launched Xbox 360, or the next Playstation system.
The most the PS2 is getting now are lousy ports, or rehashed EA Sports titles, until the system finally dies, which may take another 2 years so Sony can live up to that "10 year cycle" claim. We saw this same thing happen with the PSX.
Honestly, I can't even remember the last time I've had a reason to turn on my PS2.
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DoomLight
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13. March 2008 @ 14:49 |
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Originally posted by DoomLight:
like i said in the previous article. 360 doesnt need it. too many 360 users out there already. installing a new drive in the system would alienate the existing users.
if Msoft goes blu, it would be for the next system. not this one.
They're talking about an attachment lol
They'd screw a lot of people over if they were to just start building it into some new revision...
as an attachment i was talking about also. tho i shoulda prolly mentioned it. i wouldnt' buy the attachment. Blu-Ray movies dont impress me as of yet. their only advantage to me is the amount of data they can hold.
and as for the redone old conversation about power of the ps3 vs 360. i haven't seen anything that makes the PS3 or 360 better than each other. u can only blame the developers if they dont maximize the power of the system they program for. in the beginning PS3 games didnt look as good as 360 games. now its tapering off a bit to equality. but ps3 still has no games worth getting in my opinion. so im still gonna love my 3rd warrantied 360 a bit longer LOL
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13. March 2008 @ 17:10 |
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I knew that wasnt Going to happen. Microsoft support a rival. never in a million years is that going to happen. Even if they did make an BR add on for xbox360. It would then Give Sony a Major Position to call licensing Fee's on the BD's.
M$ games Are already Way overpriced. add A BR licence tag to that it could drive game into the "Hell no range i aint gonna buy that range"(there already in that range).
If another format war pops up. they need to stop allowing Big Corp Suits to Side with a format. Sony Did not Make Blu-ray, Nor did MS make HD-DVD. they were Supporters And have no reason to call a license fee But the can and the Will.
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13. March 2008 @ 17:12 |
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Originally posted by DXR88:
I knew that wasnt Going to happen. Microsoft support a rival. never in a million years is that going to happen. Even if they did make an BR add on for xbox360. It would then Give Sony a Major Position to call licensing Fee's on the BD's.
M$ games Are already Way overpriced. add A BR licence tag to that it could drive game into the "Hell no range i aint gonna buy that range"(there already in that range).
If another format war pops up. they need to stop allowing Big Corp Suits to Side with a format. Sony Did not Make Blu-ray, Nor did MS make HD-DVD. they were Supporters And have no reason to call a license fee But the can and the Will.
Uhh, didn't Sony develop it with Panasonic???
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13. March 2008 @ 18:11 |
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Develope,no
Impliment,Yes
(Sony)Implimenting Is like this, here some paper with some blue prints, now go build it.
(Panisonic)okay we'll Develope it But then what.
(sony)Huh...........we could charge licensing fee's to pay you guy's
with.
(Panisonic)Okay as long as we get paid i dont care.
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Ill give it about 2 years before Panasonic Goes in an up roar with Sony.
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tripplite
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13. March 2008 @ 22:29 |
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i still have hope...NOT...ill just get a blu-ray player for my tv and i'll be set!!
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varnull
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13. March 2008 @ 22:43 |
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Are we supposed to be shocked/surprised or something?
More non-news from the staff here. I mean really.. M$ aren't going to adopt something they have to pay huge licensing for and there is no proven market for BR.. It's a minority format. BD+ will just about kill it off thank foook. Then we can carry on like we have for the last 8 years watching our normal 720i dvd's quite happily thanks..
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13. March 2008 @ 22:45 |
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Thanks Varnull
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13. March 2008 @ 23:51 |
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TO me its simple
1.Start making better designed 360s,stock them while you
2.Drop the live fees
3.Make HDDs cheaper
4.Drop all LIVE/HDD resertions on devs.
5.Unlock the USB pipes OR
Made a cheap HDDkit to runany HDD you want and it has a un restricted USB port.
6.About a year after all these start the new 360 line, this SKU will be the finished/fixed one, sale it in 3 diffrent versions.
Lite:no HDD mem card jsut the std AV hook up,power cord the controler is extra sale it for 130$.
Preium:80-150GB HDD 1 controler the std/componate hookups,power cord for 250$
Elite:100+ HDD,mem card,2 controlers,STD/HDMI hookups,power cord 350$
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13. March 2008 @ 23:58 |
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I'm sure making game installs the standard would cause a problem with aftermarket sales and game rentals, and that's the only real reason we're not seeing it yet. (More DRM on the way kiddies!)
I disagree SProdigy, aftermarket sales and game rentals would not be affected since all that needs to be done is to ensure that the "original" game disc is in the drive just like "almost" every PC game that I play on my rig.
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I'm sure making game installs the standard would cause a problem with aftermarket sales and game rentals, and that's the only real reason we're not seeing it yet. (More DRM on the way kiddies!)
I disagree SProdigy, aftermarket sales and game rentals would not be affected since all that needs to be done is to ensure that the "original" game disc is in the drive just like "almost" every PC game that I play on my rig.
This is true, MS should not try to be so nazistic over it they made a crappy system if they want games deved for it they shouldn't be picky about if devs want to use the HDD or not.
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ripxrush
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14. March 2008 @ 01:39 |
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That BITES!!!!! thats all i have to say except i guess i will b getting a PS3 for Xmas this year also!
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