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kdahlin
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4. January 2004 @ 20:14 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
From my DV camera through firewire to Pinnacle Studio 7. This is my first foray into DVD authoring. I can edit the movies just fine. Still learning a bit. My question has to do with encoding for DVD. Video looks great as DV or avi and even .wmf. However, when I try to encode in mpeg2 for DVD I get motion jaggies. See screen shot for example.

Is there something I need to know about MPG encoding to fiz the quality to be more like uncompressed video?
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Alerad
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4. January 2004 @ 22:26 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
hi kdahlin

im new to dvd and this forum but i recognise your problem from dv editing.
the field order seems to be the wrong way around!

when you use the software to convert from dv to mpeg2 change the field order and see if thats it.

hope thats the problem (easy to fix), gl :)
malum
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5. January 2004 @ 00:41 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
DV is bottom field first, so set the re-encode to that and the mpeg2 should be fine (I don't use Pinacle Studio so I can't say where the setting might be)
kdahlin
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5. January 2004 @ 08:24 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Thanks I will look into that. Not sure that pinnacle lets you mess with many settings like that.

Also, you should know that the jaggies only occur when there is motion ocurring in the video. If the subject is relatively still picture is fine. When they turn their head the edges get jaggy.
malum
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5. January 2004 @ 09:38 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Yep that sounds like wrong field order, check the help file for "field order" or "bottom field first"

Most video editing suites put BFF by default as they are for DV users, which is a biy puzzling.
gilesme
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5. January 2004 @ 12:28 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I have just burnt my first ever DVD-R too using Pinnacle Studio 7, and it too is "jaggy" when panning around, but OK when still. I thought perhaps I was doing something wrong ?

Have checked, and Pinnacle doesn't seem to let you mess about with such settings - no reference to them in Help files.

Any other ideas ?
malum
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5. January 2004 @ 12:34 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
use something else

Does it let you save the edited footage as an AVI?
This may get round the problem you could then re-encode with something else. (not sure how saving it as an AVI would affect it's field order though)

I use Vegas Video which has enough settings to keep Spielberg happy and will re-encode in many different ways.
There is a free trial but the product is not cheap (but highly recommended) DVD Architect which it can be bundled with is also excellent for creating menus and outputting your files as DVD compliant VOBs
malum
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5. January 2004 @ 12:38 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
http://webboard.pinnaclesys.com/studio_version/DownloadPage/S7_DL_US.htm

update here to enable field order swap.

A major bug that it was the wrong way round in the first place!!!!!!!

This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 5. January 2004 @ 12:40

malum
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5. January 2004 @ 12:44 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
BTW interlaced material will always look worse on the monitor as it doersn't display in the same way as a TV.
some players (power DVD) will deal with this , some will not.

So don't judge the reuslting Mpeg until you see it on a TV.

If you are going to view exclusivley on a PC then you might want to deinterlace the video
gilesme
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5. January 2004 @ 12:54 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Thanks Malum,

Yes, you can create .AVI files.

Sorry for my ignorance, but is the suggestion to use another package to convert the edited .avis ?

I've got Ulead DVD movie factory (includes Video Toolbox).

Looks like I can import the edited .AVI and generate the following :

"DVD: 720 x 576, high quality"
"Field order A
MPEG Files
24 Bits, 720 x 576, 25 fps
(DVD-PAL)
Video Data Rate Variable
Audio Bit Rate 384 kbps
Layer 2, 48 kHz, Joint stereo"

Is this what I need ?
malum
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5. January 2004 @ 23:11 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Did you see the post about updating Pinnacle, that woulld be the first thing to try.

Field order A is lower field first which is what you want
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gilesme
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7. January 2004 @ 11:47 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Updated pinnacle to 7.15.

rendered .AVI again, still Field B.

rendered under Ulead Video Toolbox, Field A.

Not yet burnt home disc, but for the original kdahlin, the pinnacle upgrade might not work.

Would be grateful if you could advise whether 7.15 gets rid of the jaggies.
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