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All of a sudden. Very Slow Encoding and Analyzing - DVD Shrink.
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DogRox
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5. April 2008 @ 13:51 |
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Hello, I have a problem here that seems to me somewhat similar to other people that i read in posts dated like a few years ago, But my problem is in away different.
First off, I want to clear up that I have many years of computer experience but this problems caught me for a loop. So I am bgged by it. Big time.
Now before you ask me all the questions that you have to ask the "not so computer savvy" people, no offense .. hey i was new to this new back when i was younger, i learn alot just by asking other people as well. I will start with the problem first and then give you the details of the system
Now the sitution is I have been using DVDSHRINK for almost two years. Never but never had any problems with it. Using the last version released version. JUst all of a sudden out of the blue wiht in the last couple days I CAN NOT seem to get any higher ANALYZING or ENCODING speeds like i used to.
I used to be able to DEEP ANALYZE and with ENHANCEMENT (SHARP) and was able to encode movies wihtin 2 - 2 1/2 hours. NEVER had any problems.. now it is like taking forever like 58 minutes for ANALYZING (never took that long 15-20 minutes most) and now like 4 hours to ENCODE at a RATE of around 400-500 kb/s. Buffered readings fluctuates between 15-43mb! never was this slow.
Now to answer the technical questions, I rip the DVDS to HDD FIRST.. using DVDDECRYPTER and that works fine.. so the DVD DRIVES ARE NOT the problem here.
I run DVD SHRINK load the files off HDD and then shrink to another partition on a WD 200 gig 7200rpm drive (split roughly into two 100 gig partitions). IT is better to use different partion as it doenst have to read and write to the same partition... though not as great as goign from one HDD to a completeley different HDD.. but i never had any problems like i say till recently. I have two HDDS one is a SEGATE that is only 40 gigs and that has the OS INSTALLED. the WD 200gig is for my music work. But i use it for backing up my movies as well.
Now I DID check the DMA settings that was like the first thing i did .. being into computers as I am that was like instinct. The HDD dma is set ON for BOTH HDDS at UDMA 100 Mode 5 using the 80 wire cable. Bios is set right and WIN XP reads them correct. The DVD drives are also set for UDMA 33 which is mode 2. But the DVD shouldnt have any effect on the encoding or analysing since the files are ON the HDD. The dvd disks are never in the drives at this point.
The HDD drives are defragged regularly. I have removed DVDSHRINK and cleared registry info.. and then reinstalled it a couple times. STILL NO GO! Now I have tried yesterday using CLONEDVD and that seems to RIP WAYYYYY FAST but the quality was not as good and i REALLY prefer the DVDSHRINK over clone .. my personal opinion thats all. I guess i just like the way it it is easy to work.
Now this has been happening recently to ANY DVD I PUT IN.. EVEN my older ones i have backed up before that used to take like 2 hours .. NOW TAKE up 4 hours or so. ( i did them to testk knowing that in the past they worked fine. ) SO i know it isnt just a particularly HUGE DVD.. noo this is doing it to LL of them now.
My system is a P4 2.8 GHZ, 1 gig ram winXP, and it always ROCKED before in the past.
I NEVER US the music computer on line in fact i dont even have DIAL UP INSTALLED on it. hehe.. I use it for my music work only. BUT i have checked it with VIRUSES and SPYWARE/ADWARE on daily basis. Call it extra precautions :) but ALL IS CLEANED nothing ever is shown up!.
ANyways i thought this would stump alot of you DVDSHRINK savvys out there .. as it has me stumped.. any tidbits of informtiomation would be appreciative. like i say I WOULD RATHER use DVDSHRINK and to continue to use it.. as it has been nothing but a GOOD program to be for the last 2 years.
Thanx!
Cheerz
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DogRox
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5. April 2008 @ 14:00 |
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Sorry about my typo errors in my above post. I have arthritis and my hands cramp up from typing alot!.. Please forgive me!
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5. April 2008 @ 14:36 |
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DogRox
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5. April 2008 @ 14:51 |
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Sorry for the long post I just wanted to answer all the questions everyone also everyone else, ahead of time to make it easier to solve.
It isnt a DMA problem as I say on my primary I have two HDDS , device#0 and device#1 both say DMA IF AVAILABLE. UDMA MODE 5. IF it was a DMA problem on HDD then all my Digital recording software wouldnt work either as they demand DMA mode on the hdds!
DVDSHRINK is the only program i have noticed that is running slow since the last few weeks. Mememory resources are also low so that is not a problem either.
Thanks for trying doode!
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DogRox
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5. April 2008 @ 14:54 |
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Correction on the memory thing, I meant i have alot of free memory!! sorry for my misquote on that!
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DogRox
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5. April 2008 @ 16:14 |
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OK for the sake of argument I uninstalled the IDE controllers. The guide wasnt needed, but i did look at it.the computer rebooted fine reinstalled the controllers and the settings show DMA if AVAILBLE and ULTRA DMA 5.. (which is what it has been showing already). But like i say i did it anyways.. as per your request..
Now here is what the out come is.. now it is like jumpred up to 5 HOURS to do the same movie that only took roughly 2 hours to encode IF THAT, when i first backed it up, like last year or so. Now for testing purposes I used the same movie (the orginal disk) to test it again.. cause i KNOW it worked fast before.. well was taking 4 hours yesterday and today PRIOR to uninstalling the IDE CONTROLLERS..
Well NOW it is like taking 5 HOURS or MORE to do the same movie.. even tho they still say the same thing UDMA MODE 5. That left me me greatly concerned about my digital recording software.. well so far that SEEMS to be ok!.. PHEWWWWWWWW!!.. i didn tthink it was neccessary to uninstall something that was working fine already...
The problem is with DVDSHRINK. Seems coincidental that alot of people are having the same problems of sudden slow downs with the DMA modes on... It is like there is date check on it or something that startes to limit it after a period of time.
AND YES.. as i mentioned in my original post already, i DID uninstall it, cleared the registry info.. and REINSTALLED it again a couple times.. the same program and STILL NO GO!! now it is worse!
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Originally posted by ZoSoIV:
DogRox, after that looong post i still think its an DMA issue go ahead and uninstall the IDE controllers in device manager reboot and let windows reinstall them. heres a good guide
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/260038
have you tryed a clean reinstall of dvd shrink etc ?
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5. April 2008 @ 16:21 |
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Have you mistakenly left the extra quality settings ticked, that's caught me out a few times in the past. I see you have a P4 so Shrink should not be taking too long to transcode a movie..
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5. April 2008 @ 17:32 |
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it could be confliting software also, its hard to say without being in front of the PC looking at it
sorry i was no help
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DogRox
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5. April 2008 @ 17:46 |
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Originally posted by ZoSoIV:
it could be confliting software also, its hard to say without being in front of the PC looking at it
sorry i was no help
ZoSoIV: No problem.. it was worth the shot anyways. no need to apologize. atleast you tried to help me!.. It is frustrating.
Creaky: Yeah i alwasy kept it checked.. the enchancements settings and DEEP ANALYSIS.. if thats what you mean.. i always been using in the past with no problems. it is like all of a sudden it just decided to slow itself down!
Youknow it seems like alto of peopel having the same problem after a period of time of using DVDSHRINK with no problerms and then all of a sudden out of the blue to goes at snails pace.. Of course some of them people have the DMA problem but alot of the, the DMA wasnt the issues...
Thats why it seems like it is a problem with the program istelf like a DATE CHECK to automatically limit itself after A SPECIFIC period of time from the FIRST install of it. ANd uninstalling it and reinstalling it doesnt have any effect.. as it could have written somethign to the registry upon first install.. and then it doesnt get deleted when you UNINSTALL? just a thought..I dont know if thats the case but it is starting to sem like that with alot of people experinceing the same exact issues.
Thanx for the help anyways. this is to frustrating to mess with anymore tonight. i need to lay down!
Cheerz
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5. April 2008 @ 17:50 |
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There's no time limit problems, i've been using Shrink without issue for many years on various pc's, the odd machine hasn't been rebuilt or had Shrink reinstalled in years either....
keep us posted, am sure one of the guys will suss it out..
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DogRox
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5. April 2008 @ 17:51 |
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Man i wish you can reedit your posts here heheh i shoudl have added to ZoSoIV that there doesnt seem to be anythign else running in the background except for the standard XP system programs.
ALSO while i was in there i checked the CPU usage: 98-100% topped out on the DVDSHRINK!.. thats extensive! Though my mouse does NOT seem laggy.. of course it takes awhile to open other windows like when i checked the CPU USAGE hitting control alt delet. .. but I DO NOT do that when i normally let it run.. i just checked that and did that just now to see! thats HIGH CPU!!
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5. April 2008 @ 17:52 |
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Programs such as Shrink will chew up the entire CPU on slower machines, that's normal; you can happily multitask during transcoding, it won't affect the output any.
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DogRox
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5. April 2008 @ 18:26 |
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Originally posted by creaky:
Programs such as Shrink will chew up the entire CPU on slower machines, that's normal; you can happily multitask during transcoding, it won't affect the output any.
Hey creaky.. but a P4 2.8 ghz.. thats not really that slow?! i mean it works fine with my digital recording software. and like i say CLONE DVD ripped right through it in like less then half hour.. but the quality was poooooor!.. but like i say SHRINK used to be fast before.. 2 - 2 1/2 hours at the most for a huge move over 7 gigs of files. Now it runs like 4-5 hours. with average rate of 500kb/s. Thats SLOWWWW!!.. Something does seem wrong. Hopefully someone can suss it out like you say!! IF it isnt a Built in time limiter then something else is going on!!!.. to many people with the same problem, I hope someone has a solution!
Thanx Creaky
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5. April 2008 @ 18:45 |
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Sorry, i went Quad Core after using P3 and P4's for (too many) years so i now classify P4 as too old :)
I still have a P4 2.4 here that doesn't get used for encoding/transcoding anymore but when it did get used it would average 30mins or so for a movie in Shrink (i only do movie only). That's without quality enhancements turned on
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5. April 2008 @ 20:14 |
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if you have nero try using recode 2 its almost the same program as dvd shrink (same author) and see it you still have the same slow down
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DogRox
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6. April 2008 @ 05:22 |
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Good Morning,
Creaky, as you mentioned it.. I read what the setting again to see. and yeah I remebered doing a DVD the first one i ever did using DVDSHRINK and it had alot of them colored pixles in it when it was finished. So i read that turning on the enhancments helps the artifacts. So that i did and the enhancements always been on since then and i never turned them off... Never got a bad dvd copy after that. But as I say it was never this slow.. I hope it isnt a hardware problem but thats would seem like it would effect other programs too NOT just the DVDSHRINK.
ZoSoIV, I have nero, thats what i used after the movie is shrinked. But i dont have the setting on DVDSHRINK to use it. I just wait till the DVD SHRINK is done shrinking the movie.. it tells me with a sound. Then i just load up NERO and the burn so it is a sperate step I rather do it that way then have DVDSHRINK doing it automactially. SO thats never been a problem as far as the burning. Burning would take normal times. The problem JUST SEEMS to be all fo a sudden the SLOW DOWN of just the anaylizing (DEEP) which used to ake about 20 minutes NOW takes an HOUR,, and then the ENCODING process used to only take about 2 hours hour now takes up to 4-5 hours. Thats what I am saying it sint the burninng or the actual ripping.. those steps are FINE.
I will check up on that other program just to see. thanx for the tidbit!
I hate to have to to a whole SYSTEM RESTORE just for oneprogram thats giving me a hard time. I have so many music programs installed that would take forevery to set this machine back up the way i have it now!.. :(
I will let you knwo what i come up with that other program.
Cheerz
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6. April 2008 @ 05:47 |
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You shouldn't be getting artifacts of any kind, regardless of using quality settings or not; also, try turning the quality settings off and doing a movie, then see if you get a normal transcoding time, ie around 30/40 mins or so.
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DogRox
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6. April 2008 @ 07:23 |
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Originally posted by creaky:
You shouldn't be getting artifacts of any kind, regardless of using quality settings or not; also, try turning the quality settings off and doing a movie, then see if you get a normal transcoding time, ie around 30/40 mins or so.
Funny you mentioned that.. I did that last night. just for the heck of it wiht the samemovie... and it was about 1:10 minutes for the encodeing. Far cry better then the 4hours.. but thats when i remebered doing it this way for the first time i ever did it and got them artifacts.. .. just out of curousity how do them artifacts get in there?! If i am not mistakeing through the encoding process right?
Also the DEEP ANALYSIS takes about 50-60 mimnutes and that was another thing I always used to get better results.. Does that have anythign to do with clearing up the artifacts?
Like i say.. one thing that confuses me.. that i remebered with the ENHANCEMENT setting on SHARP (BTW: is that what you mean by quality settings?) It would only take about 2 hours or so. That was normal... is that normal to you?! with a P4 2.8ghz and 1 gig ram?
Now it takes like twice as long even the Deep Analisi seems to take longer thatonly used to take 20-30 minutes..
Man this is bugggggggggggging me.. how can this just slowwwwww down?!?! nothing in the main OS SYSTEM changed..!!?!? grrrrrrr!!hehe I usaed to love the way DVDshrink worked!
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6. April 2008 @ 13:57 |
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DogRox, just by chance have you cleaned out your PC lately (blowing it out with compressed air of canned air getting everything clean). and while your transcode check and see what your temps are running. it may be an internal heat problem inside the PC
I think you misunderstood me about recode 2 . Its a transcoder like dvd shrink within the nero program but it doesn't have a ripper. So try this use dvdfab decrypter(freeware) or anydvd to rip then transcode with nero recode 2 and burn with nero or you could use imgburn (freeware)
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DogRox
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6. April 2008 @ 15:14 |
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No acutally i knew what you meant about RECODE 2.. all i was saying is that when you asked if i had NERO and was using that with DVDSHRINK.. hehe no i knew what youmean.. i knoew what recode is!. i never tried it.. and for ripping i use DVD DECRYPTER like i mentioend before and never had anyproblems wiht ripping with it.
I just tried it again today wiht the same movie.. just for the heck of it.. now i it is showing at 5 hours and 10 minutes to encode.. rate is showing less then 400kb/s thats not right at all!.. i dont see how people are complaining about 2,000 kb/s encoding rate being slow?!?! I would be happy to get that high rate..400 is definatly an overnighter!! :(
Yeah my system is all fine.. there is no dust in there i dust it out all the time.. and there i hardly ever any dust.. it is always checked periodically.. there is never a problem with heat either.. in fact you can feel the cold in there as it is running.... the fans in there work nice... thats one thing i never have any problems with is TEMPS!!
OH and i dont smoke.. so there is no smoke that gets inside there.. like i say if that was the case with heat then why is just this one program dvdshrink?!
I did reinstall some CODECS i do recall last month.. would that have any effect on DVDSHRINK?!?
my HDDS are .. defragged.. and and temp files removed.. scandisked etc etc.. man i dont know!!..
Originally posted by ZoSoIV:
DogRox, just by chance have you cleaned out your PC lately (blowing it out with compressed air of canned air getting everything clean). and while your transcode check and see what your temps are running. it may be an internal heat problem inside the PC
I think you misunderstood me about recode 2 . Its a transcoder like dvd shrink within the nero program but it doesn't have a ripper. So try this use dvdfab decrypter(freeware) or anydvd to rip then transcode with nero recode 2 and burn with nero or you could use imgburn (freeware)
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DogRox
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10. April 2008 @ 18:10 |
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Creaky... are you there?! i was hoping you wouold post back to my previous post about the artifacts.
WHen you say i shouldnt get the artifacts, how come i did get them when i didnt use the enhancements fix? WDoes the DEEP ANALYSING help to remedy the artifacts?
Also i wonder if there is like some kinda of chart with average encoding processing times? estimated of course.. based on computers hardware, and different settings that is set in dvd shrinks quality settings? Using Deep Analisis.. and Not using it.. and using the other enhancement settings?!?
Also if the DEEP ANALISIS why does it take over an hour to do just that?! And without it.. thats when i think i was getting more of the artifacts, too! Is that possible? If i recalled it would only take about 20 minutes to do a full deep analisis on my pcs hardware... Could this be telling me something?!
A chart like couldgive me an idea what i should expect form my hardware.. and i am wondering if it could be a hardware problem? Not the hdddrive but CPU?!
ZosoIV, I did some research on RECODE .. i was familiar with what it was.. but i thought it was with my version of nero.. but it wasnt.. I also seen that it is only included with the Nero Vision Express, which has a bunch of other tools in the package that i dont really need!!
Oh well thanx doodes.. i really appreciate all yoru help!..
cheerz
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11. April 2008 @ 16:52 |
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You should only get artifacts if the video compression is too low ie the video quality suffers if you try to compress too much; it's the same difference with AVI's when the video quality suffers
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12. April 2008 @ 03:25 |
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wish we had an anwser for you DogRox but if its not a DMA isuue then i don't know other than try reformatting windows
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13. April 2008 @ 05:13 |
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Creaky: I understand what your saying about the artifacts.. But i I know when a video isnt compressed right during encoding it would get them pixley things randomly over the screen!. I know wheni used to use my DAZZLE and doign VCDS once in awhile i would get them and then it reminds me to turn the screen resolution down to 800-600! :)... but that was a long time ago on this old machine.. which isnt my music computer!
ZosoIV: man i would hate to have to go that route.. i would go bacl to an older ghost image oof my system prior to the problem that would save alot of hassle. :)
But anyways I DO have something to report..... I tried to do the same movie again yesterday just for the halibut, and WITHOUT the ENhancment (sharp) setting on. I unchecked it (OFF), but leaving the deep analysis on, and it seemed to do the movie in just less then two hours total. Roughly 1 hour for for the Deep Analysis and 48 minutes to encode! The resulting backup was Perfect and the process times seemed normal. So I am thinking maybe it was that I NEVER used that Enhancements before, and only used the DEEP ANALISIS by itself. I know I turned that DEEP ANALYSIS - ON, when I first did the first time I ever used it cause the first back up had artfacts in it, like colour spots that would appear randomly. So turning that ON I never had any problems with them spots since. Since then I always left it on!! I could have sworn I ALWAYS had the Enhancements ON but maybe I didnt?? Ayways all seems to be ok!! I mean without using the enhancements! :)
Thanx doodes (both of yas) for trying to help!
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13. April 2008 @ 05:28 |
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No problems halibut :)
Make sure to post back if you have any more problems..
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