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What do you think is the minimum watchable compression pctg?
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SaxonSL
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14. May 2008 @ 16:42 |
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I'm wondering what some experienced shrinkers think about this. There is always the enigma of how many extra features we can afford to include on our backups, and at what quality. I tend to get the best quality possible on my flick, and the lowest on extras--leaving out trailers and stuff. If I have to, I'll get the main movie only with no menus.
BUT my observation is that at compression leaving 70% of original quality I can't tell a lot of difference. Even a bit lower than that.
As a matter of fact, it mystifies me how a DivX backup (which I will do on disks that aren't quite as important to me) can still be pretty watchable at 700 megs, which is way compressed.
Just interested in where you guys draw the line. When is a film too compressed to be enjoyable?
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14. May 2008 @ 16:48 |
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Divx different format as compared to dvd, like apples to oranges.
As far as dvd, I personally do not like to go below 80%
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SaxonSL
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14. May 2008 @ 16:55 |
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I realize DivX is a different format. But it's not apples to oranges because we're ultimately just talking about compressing a film file. My only point is that it's amazing that so much compression can leave a film still looking pretty good.
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14. May 2008 @ 17:05 |
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Originally posted by SaxonSL:
I realize DivX is a different format. Quote:
But it's not apples to oranges because we're ultimately just talking about compressing a film file.
My only point is that it's amazing that so much compression can leave a film still looking pretty good.
Thats like saying you can fix a Porsche with parts from a Yugo. We are talking parts is parts.
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SaxonSL
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14. May 2008 @ 18:42 |
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You're having an entirely different conversation, my friend. I'm talking about viewability, not the technical aspects of one file format vs. another.
I can't compare parts of a Yugo to those of a Porsche, no, but I can certainly compare the feel of driving one car to another. That's the difference here. I'm not saying divx is the same as vob, I'm simply talking about plain viewability and I happened to mention divx as an aside. Think you can possibly comprehend that?
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14. May 2008 @ 18:58 |
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Originally posted by SaxonSL:
You're having an entirely different conversation, my friend. Quote:
I'm talking about viewability, not the technical aspects of one file format vs. another
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But viewability is based on the technical aspects of any file system.
While there exist multitudes of dvd players, few if any I know of play an avi file (pcs exempted) on a disc
I can't compare parts of a Yugo to those of a Porsche, no, but I can certainly compare the feel of driving one car to another. That's the difference here. I'm not saying divx is the same as vob, I'm simply talking about plain viewability and I happened to mention divx as an aside. Think you can possibly comprehend that?
"The flimsier the product,the higher the price"
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olyteddy
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14. May 2008 @ 22:22 |
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14. May 2008 @ 22:34 |
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For me, 65-70% is the cutoff. If I care about the movie (say the Dark Knight when it comes out on DVD [a long time from now]), there is no way I'd even consider it being at 70%. Dual layer all the way!
But if it's an animated series, say American Dad, I'll leave it at 60-65%. Other movies that I don't care about, I'll let it slide at that point as well.
Latest AnyDVD to rip > VOBB to blank the unwanted on a DVD > Shrink to compress > ImgBurn to burn = Never starting a thread asking how to backup a movie
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15. May 2008 @ 02:13 |
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there are alot of variables on compression
1. programs used (DVD Rebulider can make a movie thats compressed up to 50% or more look like the original)
2. the size of the TV your playing it back on (say a 60" Sony SXRD compared to a 31" CRT) theres going to be a huge difference between the two playing back a movie compressed to 65%
so it all comes down to your setup there NO set standard on compression. SaxonSL you need to list your setup for us to give you correct advice
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15. May 2008 @ 22:31 |
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Zoso's right about the set up and all. But it just seems to me what the viewed product looks like is the parameter. I've got friends who can't see very well and they think there TVs look good-NOT. One had a projection set, brand new-Mitsubishi-, and the color guns were never properly aligned when it was set up.Red and blue halos around everything. They thought it had a lovely picture. It took me two years to tell them the damn thing was set up wrong. We got the manual out and fixed it. LOL 70% looks good to me on an upconvert player & 40" Sammy LCD.
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SaxonSL
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16. May 2008 @ 00:47 |
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Originally posted by iluvendo:
Originally posted by SaxonSL:
You're having an entirely different conversation, my friend. Quote:
I'm talking about viewability, not the technical aspects of one file format vs. another
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But viewability is based on the technical aspects of any file system.
While there exist multitudes of dvd players, few if any I know of play an avi file (pcs exempted) on a disc
LOL, I've owned several DVD players and they've all played AVI and I believe the last few have come with DivX compatibility right out of the box. You're still completely missing the point. I can compare the "viewability" of a projected movie in a theater to a TV screen. They are completely different, but I can compare them. However, I give up. I don't get the idea you're one to admit you simply misunderstood something.
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SaxonSL
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16. May 2008 @ 00:54 |
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Zoso, excellent point about setup. I have a smallish widescreen LCD I think a bit less than 30-inch and that may be why I tend to be as pleased with as much as 70% of original file size. And why some DivX conversions (oops, not supposed to admit that exists! :) ) look surprisingly decent to me. I agree with all of you that 70 is probably the threshold and I will accept it only on something like an original old TV show or animation or something where sparkling picture is less of a factor. On pretty much any new movie that I care at all about, I won't back my DVD up unless I can do it at 90 or so. Otherwise, I just worry about what I SHOULD be seeing when I watch it. Might as well back it up by buying an extra copy, since prices are reasonable. I also buy a lot of close-out DVD from places like amazon.com--amazing what you can find for five bucks or less after it's been out a while. But that really IS a whole different subject.
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16. May 2008 @ 01:28 |
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yeah with an 30" LCD 70% is fine you could probably get away with 65% and be ok.
consider using DVD Rebuilder to backup you're next high compression movie, your be pleasantly surprised on how good the picture quality is even if its at 50% also just backup the movie only cutting out all the preveiws extras etc. that helps lots too
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16. May 2008 @ 08:01 |
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Most all backups I do are main movie only-nothing else. Most of the DL discs come out at 100% or at least 90% and I can't tell the difference.
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