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Piracy has 'tragic' impact on US society, says BSA
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article published on 22 July, 2008
The Business Software Alliance released a new report yesterday claiming that software piracy in the United States has cost the industry $11.4 billion USD and lost the government $1.7 billion in taxes.
The group did however note that piracy is relatively low in the United States compared to the rest of the world and that the average of the 50 states is about 20 percent. The group did call ... [ read the full article ]
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ivymike
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22. July 2008 @ 18:32 |
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TOO F***ING BAD!!
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22. July 2008 @ 18:50 |
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Piracy has 'tragic' impact on US society
Tragic indeed! I guess millions or billions of dollars of useless scientific projects is justified?
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varnull
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22. July 2008 @ 18:53 |
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I smell that old familiar smell.. yeah that's right.. BS
the only people losing here are the mega rich, and they won't notice seeing as they have more than they could ever spend anyways.
So who uses pirated material.. people who CAN'T AFFORD THE OVERPRICED CRAP IN THE FIRST PLACE!! .. Tax the rich properly, take some of the disgusting profits from the mega corporations.. ooooo.. way more than 11 billion there.. the oil companies alone make more than a billion in excess profits every DAY!!
My heart bleeds for these fat cats, it really does.. hiding behind their paid politicians and security fences guards and dogs..
20 years fat cats.. before you get strung up by the starving masses you lord it over now.
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22. July 2008 @ 19:20 |
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Had that software not been pirated, the BSA claims 25,000 police officers could be hired each year to patrol New York, Florida, California and Nevada as well as have 100 new middle schools created for children.
who was paying for that supposedly?
government or the corporations?
that's more than a little f*cking exaggerated.
point the finger all you want, it won't save you from yourselves.
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22. July 2008 @ 19:41 |
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Had that software not been pirated, the BSA claims 25,000 police officers could be hired each year to patrol New York, Florida, California and Nevada as well as have 100 new middle schools created for children.
Ha! Sure, that can be the dollar equivalent in officers from the $1.7 billion in taxes but we all know the majority of those tax dollars wouldn't end up in the hands of cops or used to build schools.
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22. July 2008 @ 20:33 |
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These studies do not show the truth. Fact is, most people that pirate would not buy it to start with. So, no money is lost from sales.
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22. July 2008 @ 20:39 |
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The one word in that whole thing that stands out is could. There could be this there could be that. Hell there could be a lot of things. If Originally posted by varnull:
Tax the rich properly, take some of the disgusting profits from the mega corporations.. ooooo.. way more than 11 billion there.. the oil companies alone make more than a billion in excess profits every DAY!!
Then and only then could those things happen. But it never will because the large corporations/rich pretty much control the government. They pay for their campaigns and a lot of other things. Hell they pretty much keep them in office. In turn then politicians put little provisions in the laws and bills that help the corporations/rich.
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casemodd
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22. July 2008 @ 20:43 |
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Originally posted by ugc:
These studies do not show the truth. Fact is, most people that pirate would not buy it to start with. So, no money is lost from sales.
I agree why buy when you can download :) All i buy is bulk blank dvds
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22. July 2008 @ 20:48 |
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I can play this game too.
Had resources been spent to stop this software piracy:
- 100,000 police officers would have had to be diverted to work solely on catching pirates
- 2,000 middle schools would have computers without any software on them
- 70% of Americans would be stuck with out-dated software, hence susceptible to security breaches, identity theft and fraud
Even though I just made up my figures, I bet they paint a more accurate picture of the situation than the BSA's.
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22. July 2008 @ 21:22 |
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The problem with all this ranting by the media losers is that none of their facts and figures take this into account: Many people who are downloading are downloading alot of material that they would never buy. If these people were unable to download at all, they would NOT BUY most of the material they are downloading.
And Mr. Media Mogul / record company executive / distributor of mostly crappy movies with left wing plots and no talent,
We wouldn't be in this mess if you hadn't been gouging us for ridiculous amounts of money for your CDs with only one good song and your poorly written left wing movies.
I remember when you were charging over $100 for the latest Video (VCR) release, I remember when you were charging over $30 for the same DVD and I remember when you were charging over $20 for a CD with one good song on it.
It's all becoming free on the net now anyway - with some sidebar advertising - so all you media moguls can Fu#$ right O$$.
To summarize for my fellow dawners:
Remember fellow dawners, all these figures don't include the fact that most of the stuff being downloaded would never be purchased anyway - especially at the stupid ass prices they've tried to extort from us.
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22. July 2008 @ 22:02 |
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I call bullshit! Hey government dont worry bout the taxes, your making it up with gas prices! As far as 11.4 billion bucks lost,Its called buisness. Now I get to say what every boss tells their employee who complains and hates his job.. "GET THE F*CK OVER IT or Get another job!!!"
Actually the only people that are complaining is the OVER-PAID Actors! "OMFG! Instead of $18m for a movie deal, Im only getting $9m??? WTF?" Give me that once and Ill be happy... Ill never understand why our society has made "lieing" the highest paid job in the world!! Hell pay me for lieing, Ill even be happy if you give me half what an average actor is paid! I really hate to tell everyone against piracy,but its never going to stop.. The only way to even remotely control it, is though the use of site that pay a low fee to download their media.
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windsong
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22. July 2008 @ 22:04 |
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Um..."Business Software Alliance"? Who the F is that? Rejects from the Pee Wee Herman Fan Club?
Yawn..
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22. July 2008 @ 23:22 |
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To you I give a big old arm pumping nazi HEIL!, I discount the numbers and statistics you poo out of your collective anus, the big corps will never be hurt by it and the smaller ones will be feasted upon by the larger ones thus thos that make content gerneally get paid for it in some way.
And to decry you are not getting money from a media project from sales after the production has ended when you already got paid for it is kinda silly not many "small people" get royalties in a mostly commission driven industry....
and BTW if you do not want your work being seen then get another job, whats more important being known for goof work or being paid for bad?
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22. July 2008 @ 23:54 |
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I read the whole paper. In a peer reviewed chemistry or biological science scientific paper, there exixts a part, in chemistry it is called "experimental", whereas in the biological science papers it is "methods and materials". These areas explain to all reading the papers, how the researchers did the experiment, and what their methods were.
Here, all I saw was "surveyed data" or BSA believes........
This is like saying " we surveyed attendees at a major league baseball game and found out a great majority of the attendees like baseball"
No kidding, as even a child knew that.
Or surveying McDonalds at lunchtime and asking "Why are you patronizing McD's, Is it because it it your favorite ? (it is obvious a patron at McD's prefers McD's, or at the outset that is the only fast food place nearby)
The BSA then concludes most Americans prefer McD's over all other fast food chains, yet never surveyed anyone at Burger King.
The BSA never mentions their methodology, making their data gathering methods suspect. Their conclusions are also at best suspect and at worse specultative.
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Arizona?s consumers accounted for only 34% of PC shipments, but 55% of the state?s installed base of PCs. IDC [b][i]believes these two factors had the biggest effect on nudging the piracy rate to 21%, above the[/i][/b]
Notice that the operative word is believes
That is equal to saying that Santa Claus exists because our evidence is there are presents under the tree on Christmas day, and none the night before when we went to sleep
Please get reaL BSA. With methods such as your, you would not graduate college, as this kind of work is not college level or quality, even at a JC.
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23. July 2008 @ 00:14 |
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Fascinating iluvendo.
I just want to say to these media pigs, Let's get real.
You're never going to stop it as long as you're being unreasonable and foolish at the same time.
We're not stupid. We know the prices of DVD's and CD's are so unreasonable that most of us can understand why many choose to download. We know the data is conjured up by these left wing media freaks who ironically can't make enough money out of their substandard and often recycled products.
Until they face the FACTS that their business is going to change whether they like it or not, they're going to put themselves (not us- we don't give a shit) through a whole lot of needless worry and pain.
Give us a CD for under $10 (or less than 50 cents per song) with more than one decent original song on it.
Give us a DVD for under $10 (cause we're only gonna watch the crappy thing once), because it's been years since your writers have written an original screenplay.
And don't try and protect everything even when the artists are dead.
Be reasonable.
Stop telling the public stupid facts and figures we all know are lies.
Stop acting like a left wing fu##ing fool with all your propaganda any idiot can see through (this isn't the 1970's or 1980's anymore - we're not buying your left wing crap).
Stop trying to lie to us you stupid fu##s!
Then we might think about it.
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Y_Eater
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23. July 2008 @ 00:36 |
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I pirate because of high gas prices
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23. July 2008 @ 00:46 |
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All i can say is those who think piracy is a issue are either greedy billionaire's who could careless how all their money comes in. If they are so concerned:
1. Stop selling blank CD-R/RW, DVD-R/+R/RW.
2. Write accessible hard drives, flash drives, memory sticks, and etc.
3. DVD burners, CD burners.
4. Video Camera's.
5. Shutdown the internet that's the root of all evil (sarcasm)..
6. My list can go on and on about things we use daily.
Now to conclude my sarcastic rant. If the media items i mentioned above mixed in with the users who use them for their intended purposes, then why in the hell is their fault for using a product the was developed to be used.
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23. July 2008 @ 02:18 |
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hahaha, thats a knee slapper, ah. keep up the good BSA. with statistics like these you might just graduate from Pre-K.
BSA=Bullsh*t Statistics Association.
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windsong
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23. July 2008 @ 02:39 |
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Ive NEVER been able to grasp why it is that big corporations despise piracy yet THEY are the ones that provide the tools to do so. Best Buy sells dvd writers for dirt cheap. I see Blu-Ray discs at NewEgg are 10 bucks each now. What the hell do LG, Panasonic, Sony and the like think we do with blank blu-ray media? Store 25 gigs worth of family photos on them??
Incompetent, greedy boobs. All of them.
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23. July 2008 @ 03:18 |
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Originally posted by windsong:
Ive NEVER been able to grasp why it is that big corporations despise piracy yet THEY are the ones that provide the tools to do so. Best Buy sells dvd writers for dirt cheap. I see Blu-Ray discs at NewEgg are 10 bucks each now.
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What the hell do LG, Panasonic, Sony and the like think we do with blank blu-ray media? Store 25 gigs worth of family photos on them??
Incompetent, greedy boobs. All of them.
The BSA believes we all come from veeeeeerrrrrrrryyyyy BIG families
"The flimsier the product,the higher the price"
Ferengi 82nd rule of aqusition
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DoomLight
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23. July 2008 @ 03:29 |
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lol i really dont feel guilty.
how the hell are they gonna expect a poor college student to shell out 500 bux for msoft offic3 2007 to complete a homework assignment
of course they are gonna get it pirated if it means their grade...
sorry no sympathy here.
send me another stimulus check plz. ty
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stuntman_
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23. July 2008 @ 04:35 |
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haha I am proud to be apart of something that puts less cops on our streets
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23. July 2008 @ 07:52 |
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Originally posted by Y_Eater:
I pirate because of high gas prices
LOL
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23. July 2008 @ 07:55 |
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As I recall these same Bussniess that are loosing profits to piracy have used pirated sofware as well. Sometime back AD had an article about a New York Company (I think it was Sony) that got caught using bogus software on thier computers.
There is no clear evidence that the taxes that COULD have been missed, would have been used by the Police or School systems. The BSA is just trying to use marketing methods on the government.
Most of the software that I see that has been pirated is overpriced anyway.Honestly, how can a PC game be released for $60 and within 6 months go down to $20? Knowing that the maker is ALWAYS going to make a profit on a retail sale, as well as the retailer, what is the ACTUAL cost of a game?
Get real. Quit manipulating the public and the government for your own personal pocket book.
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atomicxl
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23. July 2008 @ 09:19 |
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I think the real tragedy is that piracy has caused my generation and the ones after me to totally devalue all forms of art. Someone said DVDs and CDs cost too much. Come on. A movie is like $14.99 and about $9.99 a few months later. You can buy a song for $1... a cd on amazon for $8.99. People don't even think a song is worth a dollar.
You can listen to and enjoy a song for the rest of your life, but people put the value of that around the same price as a Snicker bar. I think thats the sad thing. The value of all art tops out around 50 cents.
I think in the future stuff like that will move us toward the big brother society everyone rants against far quicker than anything the government has done.
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