|
EA loosens up a bit on Red Alert 3 DRM
|
|
The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 9 September, 2008
Yesterday we reported that Amazon users were rating Spore poorly under user reviews due to EA's crippling SecuROM DRM. As of writing, there were 1700 1-star ratings for the game on Amazon, with most if not all reviews citing the DRM as the only reason for the low score.
The SecuROM DRM only allows three installs of the game and it appears that although the game has only been out for ... [ read the full article ]
Please read the original article before posting your comments.
|
|
oappi
Suspended due to non-functional email address
|
9. September 2008 @ 19:35 |
Link to this message
|
Im glad i already decided not to buy more ea games since kanes wraths online activation bs (already taken over month and still not working). I do understand ppl who download game because of the drm, but im not going to do that my self. It is bs that those who download it illeagaly get better copy. So for most teenagers it is the queston of paying for bad copy or get better one for free without online expirience. Then again i bought the game and havent been able to play online so...
Not long a go ea was saying that customers shouldnt be threated as criminals but it seems "their actions betray their words" (or something like that) -kane. I wonder what happened to that. Im all the way steam for now on. It is not perfect, but i can live with it unlike ea´s crap. i would say that pros of steam make up all the cons.
|
|
Advertisement
|
 |
|
|
|
13thHouR
Suspended permanently
|
9. September 2008 @ 20:14 |
Link to this message
|
This is really getting beyond a joke.
Can they use the line "if you're not doing anything wrong" with this type of DRM?
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 9. September 2008 @ 20:15
|
|
DRokKer
Newbie
|
9. September 2008 @ 20:14 |
Link to this message
|
Quote:
"As you might imagine, I'm a lot less respectful of those people who take the position that they will illegally download a game simply because it has DRM.
as you might imagine, i have no intention of paying my hard earned money for your DRM ruined hard work.
respect is hard to earn and you just lost all mine!
thank you and goodnight.
|
|
BadCatt
Newbie
|
9. September 2008 @ 20:42 |
Link to this message
|
|
I like getting my games on ebay, So I would buy it from some one, then they take that money and buy more games. So now no-one gets any fat money in there pocket. So sad. I like red alert games got them all from ebay.
|
Senior Member
2 product reviews
|
9. September 2008 @ 21:13 |
Link to this message
|
The Red Alert Series (and the C&C series in general) has always intrigued me. However, I don't think I will be buying RA3 simply due to the DRM. If I am paying $50 for a game I expect to own it for personal use, not rent it.
Also, as EA should have noticed, DRM doesn't stop piracy, it never has (for long) nor will it. Spore is perfect proof of this as it was leaked four days before release with its DRM removed.
|
|
thor999
Member
|
9. September 2008 @ 22:22 |
Link to this message
|
|
I don't know what they are worried about, ever try to sell your used PC games at Gamestop? Ain't happening.
|
|
windsong
Member
1 product review
|
9. September 2008 @ 22:39 |
Link to this message
|
|
So in other words, what theyre saying is...they will still pound you from behind, only now they will keep the lube within eyesight. They won't use it..but it will be there for you to imagine what it would be like if they DID use it.
Guess I know how I'm going to "acquire" the game now.
Incompetent boobs. All of them.
|
|
david89
Account closed as per user's own request
|
9. September 2008 @ 23:06 |
Link to this message
|
this is why i stopped buying pc games and i moved on console gaming much better and i hope people keep giving it low score because of it will teach them a lesson that they can't just do the customer any old way that they want do us.
|
|
jookycola
Member
|
9. September 2008 @ 23:11 |
Link to this message
|
Quote:
Corry also pleaded with users to look past the DRM and to buy the game for the game. "I think it would be a shame if people decided to not play a great game simply because it came with DRM
It may have been a great game, but the DRM ruined it. That's what they don't get. As long as they insist on DRM then all EA games will be acquired by other means. Therefore choke holding their money train. They will eventually have to lean in our favor or go out of business. It's that simple.
|
|
windsong
Member
1 product review
|
10. September 2008 @ 00:15 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by david89:
this is why i stopped buying pc games and i moved on console gaming much better and i hope people keep giving it low score because of it will teach them a lesson that they can't just do the customer any old way that they want do us.
Moving to a console from a high end pc rig is the worst thing you could do. Shell out mega bucks for a ps3 with only a handful of games..or an xbox which will rrod on you and leave you hanging for weeks. If something goes wrong with your pc otoh, trot down to the pc shop and replace whatever part you need. Good luck doing that with an Xbox.
Besides, 24 inch HDTV monitors are cheap now. I got a westinghouse for 329 and a mouse/kb setup is far superior for games like GTAIV, Fear and Diablo 3..especially in 1920x1200 (i.e. better than 1080p)
|
|
llongtheD
Suspended due to non-functional email address
|
10. September 2008 @ 01:01 |
Link to this message
|
I generally reformat my PC 2 times a year, so after a year and a half (3 activations) I can't use it? I wouldn't even consider buying this title because of that. The DRM, or could be expained another way, "EXCESSIVE GREED" is forcing people to buy the same title many times in a shorter period than the new format bullshit. EA, you should be ashamed of yourselves. The way you treat your PAYING customers. I can only hope we'll be reading about your impending bankruptcy, because of the lack of respect for your customers.
I think your customers see it as a lack of respect for them, and not a lack of respect for your work.
If your fish seems sick, put it back in the water.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 10. September 2008 @ 01:01
|
Member
|
10. September 2008 @ 02:54 |
Link to this message
|
No.
Not good enough.
I will not buy, rent or play this game, or any other that has spyware in it. I'm not going to phone home every time I put in a new hard drive.
It's the 21st Century. This business model FAILED in the 20th and should be dead.
|
|
13thHouR
Suspended permanently
|
10. September 2008 @ 06:19 |
Link to this message
|
|
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 10. September 2008 @ 06:30
|
AfterDawn Addict
16 product reviews
|
10. September 2008 @ 07:09 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by mspurloc:
No.
Not good enough.
I will not buy, rent or play this game, or any other that has spyware in it. I'm not going to phone home every time I put in a new hard drive.
It's the 21st Century. This business model FAILED in the 20th and should be dead.
Same here. And now they are renting that game, so should that price be much lower?
I usual buy my games, but games with StarForce or SecuROM... well lets just say its good to know there are torrent sites where I can find versions without malwares in them.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 10. September 2008 @ 07:11
|
|
oappi
Suspended due to non-functional email address
|
10. September 2008 @ 08:05 |
Link to this message
|
i have bought all the command and conquer games (including sole survivor) most as new (excluding sole survivor) but after the hours i put to get online game working i think i will pass.. Untill online registeration returns to way it was in red alert 2 and remove any installation restriction they wont see any of my money.
I simply cannot understand why they are screwing with their customers if piratism is already big issue. Insted of drm they should give something to people who buy real copy and not take things away.
|
|
ikari
Junior Member
|
10. September 2008 @ 11:16 |
Link to this message
|
LMAO. Sorry but I have to make an observation:
I find the comments "I was going to buy it but since it has DRM I am just going to download it" interesting.
Just be honest, you weren't going to buy the game regardless of the DRM. You were planning on downloading anyways.
Here is the solution for those comments: Buy the game, download a copy without DRM.
You still pay and you still play!
|
|
emugamer
Suspended due to non-functional email address
|
10. September 2008 @ 12:30 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by ikari:
Here is the solution for those comments: Buy the game, download a copy without DRM.
You still pay and you still play!
One of the smartest comments on this thread. All you lose is Chris Corry's respect...lol.
I think it's possible that a large number of the negative Amazon reviews/comments are from people who either:
1)do not have the know-how to obtain a free copy and are genuinely pissed
or
2)will not obtain a free copy due to personal beliefs and are genuinely pissed
Then there is the number of people who heard about this and decided to jump on the bandwagon of negative reviews and use Amazon to voice their hatred towards DRM. Either way, the people have spoken. I hate DRM too, and I am not above buying the game and then downloading a copy if it came to a game that I really liked. I don't know anything about this game, but I've read a lot of reviews where people enjoyed the game but still gave it 1 star due solely to the DRM. I agree with this as being a great way to let EA know what the customer wants. But I can't agree that DRM ruined the game. IMO, DRM ruined EA's reputation. I also wouldn't say that excessive DRM is a result of greed or "EXCESSIVE GREED" as someone put it. It's more a result of stupidity. Like any company, they want to sell what they make and turn a profit. It's stupid of them to not understand how to sell to people, and to spend money continuing to employing a tactic that 1)doesn't work in preventing "piracy" and at the same time 2)pisses legitimate customers off.
What does DRM accomplish? People who buy games and hate the new DRM will probably buy less games crippled with that specific DRM. Or lose trust and loyalty to a specific developer. They may not necessarily research ways to obtain a free copy. They may just decide to avoid the developers future releases. People who wouldn't buy the game either way will find a cracked copy. And DRM costs money to implement.
It will be a sad day when you can't re-sell games. That's the only way I can afford my gaming.
|
|
varnull
Suspended permanently
|
10. September 2008 @ 12:50 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by ikari:
LMAO. Sorry but I have to make an observation:
I find the comments "I was going to buy it but since it has DRM I am just going to download it" interesting.
Just be honest, you weren't going to buy the game regardless of the DRM. You were planning on downloading anyways.
Here is the solution for those comments: Buy the game, download a copy without DRM.
You still pay and you still play!
Talking through your ass I see.. Why buy the lesser product? Why pay them at all??
People don't want to pay for something which calls them a thief and a pirate and is stuffed full of DRM causing it to have no resale value.
The music business is dead because of this business model, the movie industry will follow it, and the gaming industry.. is there a gaming industry or a bunch of thieves dictating to you?
The con trick that is PC gaming is being seen through.. every year upgrade or don't play.. DX10.. it's a lie.. it doesn't exist! It is coded in to force people to buy vista..
Death to DRM.. the consumer doesn't want it, and companies who try to force things on consumers who don't want them go bankrupt pretty darn quick! Good riddance to them too.
|
|
windsong
Member
1 product review
|
10. September 2008 @ 13:31 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by ikari:
LMAO. Sorry but I have to make an observation:
I find the comments "I was going to buy it but since it has DRM I am just going to download it" interesting.
Just be honest, you weren't going to buy the game regardless of the DRM. You were planning on downloading anyways.
Here is the solution for those comments: Buy the game, download a copy without DRM.
You still pay and you still play!
Yeah, with about 20% of the proceeds going to fund the next exciting edition of SecuROM. It's like saying that you'll hire a hooker but only have oral sex with her and say to your wife that you didnt have "real" sex.
Buying a game with SecuROM and then using a crack is like curing the disease by killing the patient. All youre doing is making things worse for everybody in the long run, since further editions of SecuROM will be even more Draconian...insert right hand into torture box (i.e. Dune) for authentication sir!.
|
|
ByteShiel
Newbie
|
10. September 2008 @ 13:34 |
Link to this message
|
This is a terrible story for 2 parties - legitimate users who simply wanted to play Spore and couldn't because the activation servers went down and EA because Spore was cracked even before it was released.
Often developers walk a tightrope with the trade off between protection strength and the degree of impact on legitimate users but this was a failure on both dimensions! Is this really what the publisher wants to 'accomplish'? Why not use a solution which is friendly to honest users, has no impact on development time and the strongest available protection against crackers - see the whitepaper "Is Anti-Piracy/DRM the Cure or the Disease for PC Games?" which can be downloaded here http://www.byteshield.net/byteshield_whitepaper_0005.pdf.
|
|
ikari
Junior Member
|
10. September 2008 @ 14:56 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by varnull:
Talking through your ass I see.. Why buy the lesser product? Why pay them at all??
People don't want to pay for something which calls them a thief and a pirate and is stuffed full of DRM causing it to have no resale value.
The music business is dead because of this business model, the movie industry will follow it, and the gaming industry.. is there a gaming industry or a bunch of thieves dictating to you?
The con trick that is PC gaming is being seen through.. every year upgrade or don't play.. DX10.. it's a lie.. it doesn't exist! It is coded in to force people to buy vista..
Death to DRM.. the consumer doesn't want it, and companies who try to force things on consumers who don't want them go bankrupt pretty darn quick! Good riddance to them too.
It is strange, I normally agree with you on a lot of things, but what the heck is up with the attitude? Your post have become very insulting, regardless of what was said or who said it. Seriously, why the negative attacks on people posting? I could care less about the companies you insult but do you really have to insult me? It is fine to be angry about a situation, but insulting people when you try to convience them of your point of view doesn't work. No offense, but it is childish and I wouldn't expect this from a senior member of the forum. Especially, since you are one of the people I respect on this forum.
Besides, if you don't like the game you don't have to buy it. No one told me to go buy Red Alert 3 and honestly I won't because I grown tired of RTS games for the moments. I am more of a console person now anyways. The only PC game I play is Urban Terror (which is free). For all that play UT, I am Frank:Warrior/Medic .
@wingsong - lol, you are proof the observation that I made. You would download it anyways. It wasn't the DRM, you didn't want to pay for the game in the first place. There is a difference.
|
|
oappi
Suspended due to non-functional email address
|
10. September 2008 @ 15:09 |
Link to this message
|
it think best way to show ea this is wrong is just not to buy the game or "acquire" it from torrent sites. Just protest it by not playing and they will know. People who decides these thigs are mostlikely on crack (or something like that) and will think they failed because of piracy. Then securom etc will offer yet another disasterious drm that "can´t be broken".
EA isn´t (yet) only one making games. So go for something else... as i already wrote steam is good alternative. You wont get physical copy of the game, but then again you dont have to search your room to find your serial key and cd you havent seen in 5 years. Games are usualy one click away (unless your internet is down then you cannot download them). Downside is that you cannot sell your games (unless you sell your whole account). Then again oldgames are prized quite right in steam some oldies are $5 and gta serie (excluding versions not released on pc) is only $44 (5 games // 2 of them are free but cannot be downloaded on steam unless "bought").
|
|
BcMester
Newbie
|
10. September 2008 @ 16:23 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by emugamer:
... I can't agree that DRM ruined the game. IMO, DRM ruined EA's reputation.
Erm... when securom decides that it won't let you run the game because you have 2 dvd writers in your rig, then it does ruin the game. But you're right, it doesn't help EA's rep whatsoever. :)
|
|
DRokKer
Newbie
|
10. September 2008 @ 18:27 |
Link to this message
|
Quote:
Just be honest, you weren't going to buy the game regardless of the DRM. You were planning on downloading anyways.
by posting your comment you did not make an observation, you made an ACCUSATION that everyone who had posted was a liar and a thief!
you deserved every word of varnull's comeback IMO and more.
take your assumptions elsewhere if you don't like honest responses.
|
|
Advertisement
|
|
|
Senior Member
3 product reviews
|
10. September 2008 @ 18:50 |
Link to this message
|
Quote:
Originally posted by david89:
this is why i stopped buying pc games and i moved on console gaming much better and i hope people keep giving it low score because of it will teach them a lesson that they can't just do the customer any old way that they want do us.
Moving to a console from a high end pc rig is the worst thing you could do. Shell out mega bucks for a ps3 with only a handful of games..or an xbox which will rrod on you and leave you hanging for weeks. If something goes wrong with your pc otoh, trot down to the pc shop and replace whatever part you need. Good luck doing that with an Xbox.
Besides, 24 inch HDTV monitors are cheap now. I got a westinghouse for 329 and a mouse/kb setup is far superior for games like GTAIV, Fear and Diablo 3..especially in 1920x1200 (i.e. better than 1080p)
High performance PC's are generally a pain in the ass to keep running at full quality, you don't have to worry about that with a console. Not saying pc's are bad I'm just saying everything has its ups and downs. Oh and you must have some pretty big hands to hold those games in ;)
And yes hdcp monitors are cheap and I use one with my ps3, getting hdmi to dvi adaptor beats shelling out 600 bucks for a low end lcd.
|
